Choosing a Proxy for the SPS/Steem.DAO


HF21 brought multiple changes to Steem. One of those is an important new feature, called the Steem Proposal System (SPS) or Steem.DAO (@steem.dao).


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What is the SPS / Steem.DAO?

SPS is a tool for decentralised funding, where everybody can create proposals, which consist of a plan, a time period and a total amount of required funding. (More detailed explanation here)

If a proposal is approved by enough stakeholders, so that it is above a certain threshold it will be paid out until the time period has been reached, unless stakeholders decide to un-approve it.

This "threshold" is actually another proposal, called 'return proposal' by @gtg. This proposal will return all daily created payouts back to the @steem.dao account, to prevent bad proposals from leeching funds away.

Bad Example: paying 170,000 SBD worth over 800,000 STEEM for legal battles suing big social media over 2 years? Interesting idea and I guess important generally, but way too expensive and it doesn't directly support Steem.

Good Example: paying 3,000 SBD in a time period of 1 month for a feature on the Steem blockchain.

But there's a catch!

Are you still following me? Good!

So, the problem here is though, that it's quite difficult to bring proposals above the threshold (again, it's good to block bad proposals), but expecting all stakeholders to take a daily look at the proposal system, will probably not really work out.

Good News: Proxy Voting

But here is the good news: The proxy system, introduced for witness voting, works for SPS voting as well

Proxy System: Explanation

What does this mean? Well, as you might know, you can vote for witnesses, who are running the Steem blockchain (I'm a witness as well).

Voting for witnesses (esp. the good ones) is very important, as they secure the chain. On HF21, the chain chalted due to a bug and the witnesses were the ones, restarting it and making sure that all funds were SAFU.

But, many people aren't voting for witnesses, or not often enough. Why is that? It takes time and effort to look at every potential witness and that's not something everybody wants to do or feels comfortable doing.

And that's why we have the proxy system.

Witness Voting Example:

  • Alice has 1,000 SP.
  • Bob is a witness.
  • John is a veteran steemian, community leader and actively voting for witnesses, incl. Bob.
  • Alice wants to vote for witnesses but isn't sure which one to vote for.
  • She trusts John and is deciding to choose him as her proxy.
  • Once she's done that, John has 1,000 more Steempower to give away in witness voting (not post voting), until Alice decides to revoke the proxy.

And the same example works for proposals:

  • Alice has 1,000 SP.
  • Bob is a developer and has created a proposal.
  • John is a veteran steemian, community leader and actively voting for proposals, incl. the one from Bob.
  • Alice wants to vote for proposals but isn't sure which one to vote for.
  • She trusts John and is deciding to choose him as her proxy.
  • Once she's done that, John has 1,000 more Steempower to give away in proposal voting (not post voting), until Alice decides to revoke the proxy.

IMPORTANT: There is one available proxy slot. If Alice has selected John as a proxy, specifically for witness voting, John will also be able to use the SP of Alice for proposal voting

What does this mean?

What you can do now, is to either decide you want to vote on proposals on your own. Or you can choose a proxy, that is voting for witnesses & proposals for you.

And If you'd like, you can choose me as a proxy. I'm a top 20 consensus witness, experienced developer and am going to make sure your witness & proposal votes are going to be used in the right way.

How to vote for proxy?

The whole procedure is very simple and fast.

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1.) Click on this link, which will redirect you to my website.

2.) Enter your account-name

3.) Make sure Set Proxy is selected

4.) Choose your voting method. Steem Keychain is the easiest one.

5.) Finish the procedure by clicking on the big, purple button.

If there are any problems and questions, please let me know.


Why should you set a proxy?

The main reason I think setting a proxy can be a good thing to do is that we're able to be more agile in our decision making. One important thing we've learned from witness voting: the amount of voting compared to the total tokens/stake is quite low.

If we want to bring real change to Steem, we have to be agile, quick and secure in our proposal voting. And well, I really think proxy voting can help.

And it doesn't matter whether you choose me or another great Steemian as proxy. For example: @theycallmedan, @aggroed, @yabapmatt or somebody else.

You can do this through my website as well, simply replace STEEM_ACCOUNT_NAME: https://therealwolf.me/vote?for=STEEM_ACCOUNT_NAME&action=proxy

Wolf

PS: I've added a few benefactors to this post, which means part of the author rewards goes to the accounts below.


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30.08.2019 14:31
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A couple of questions: is there an easy way to see how the people you propose setting as a proxy have voted? Perhaps @dmitrydao and @steempeak will add this feature.

And is there any other interface available to set a proxy (except for the one pointing to your site where we can vote for you!)? Seeing as you take a negative view toward the proposal I'm a co-author of, I'm not really inclined to follow your votes (that's fine, we can discuss this another time perhaps).

30.08.2019 15:08
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is there an easy way to see how the people you propose setting as a proxy have voted? Perhaps @dmitrydao and @steempeak will add this feature.

I'm sure they'll add that.

And is there any other interface available to set a proxy

Of course.

  • You can vote on my website for other users as well. Simply click on the red rectangle below.

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There are most likely even more ways.

Seeing as you take a negative view toward the proposal I'm a co-author of, I'm not really inclined to follow your votes (that's fine, we can discuss this another time perhaps).

If you're referring to the legal case: I think it's a honourable cause, but I'm against funding via 171,000 SBD. That's a ton of money, which should be used to further advance Steem and not to pick fights. Let's advance Steem & its apps so people will want to come to it. But you don't have to agree with me.

30.08.2019 15:27
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Do Steem Witness proxy votes automatically set up a proxy for the SPS system? That is something I hadn't realised and seems to be what is going on here. I have some secondary accounts that already point to my main one and didn't realise their existing witness proxy votes feed through to the SPS system.

I accept your point of view on the @jpbliberty case, as we go along perhaps we'll change some hearts and minds on how transformative this could be for both Steem and the rest of the crypto and Web 3.0 world.

30.08.2019 15:40
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Do Steem Witness proxy votes automatically set up a proxy for the SPS system? That is something I hadn't realised and seems to be what is going on here. I have some secondary accounts that already point to my main one and didn't realise their existing witness proxy votes feed through to the SPS system.

Yes. I tried to explain that in the post. You can only have one proxy and that proxy will both be able to vote for witnesses and proposals on your behalf.

I accept your point of view on the @jpbliberty case, as we go along perhaps we'll change some hearts and minds on how transformative this could be for both Steem and the rest of the crypto and Web 3.0 world.

I'm always open to having my mind changed and this is for sure nothing personal. I wish you all the best on that road!

30.08.2019 16:00
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There's something I don't understand then: I have accounts which are set to proxy witness votes. I am able on those to go into SteemPeak and independently vote for any of the projects. Is this in addition to anything the proxy may have voted on?

30.08.2019 16:09
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I get the point, still turning from Direct Democracy into a Representative System. I guess most States work like that, but do you think that is the better way of governance?

30.08.2019 15:30
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The biggest issue facing Steem is the inability to recruit enough new users from outside the Crypto world. This is directly caused by the Tech Goliath's Crypto Ad Ban!!!

Steemit and Steem Apps cannot advertise in the mainstream online world.
No amount of new code or Steem features will ever fix this!!

@jpbliberty's Crypto Class Action DOES DIRECTLY SUPPORT STEEM, in the most important way possible, by acting to remove the biggest impediment to its growth.
Steem is the biggest victim of the Crypto Ad Ban because it is the Crypto project most directly competitive with Facebook and has suffered some of the biggest losses of value and profile:

  • From $5.73 to $0.16!!
  • From at top 10 position in cryptomarket cap to below 70!!

With respect @therealwolf, your view on what is a good and bad use of Steem's inflation is myopic and developer focussed. It wrongly assumes that code can fix everything - it can't.

There should be a place for all sorts of projects in the SPS system, just as there are all sorts of people, not just developers on Steem.
Today Steem has amazing technical functionality. More is welcome, but not essential.

What is essential is MARKETING and the ABILITY TO MARKET. This is currently blocked by the Crypto Ad Ban.

The Crypto Class Action can bring orders of magnitude more value to Steem, than any other SPS Proposal and is no more risky (indeed less so).
After all 95% of tech projects fail but 90% of Court cases settle!

@therealwolf, I ask you to reconsider your position on this.
Talk to blockchain marketers.
Talk to Steemit Inc itself who is constantly blocked and shadow banned on Facebook.

Think about what removal of the Ad Ban and a large cash injection for every Steemian and Steem project would do for Steem.

30.08.2019 15:39
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are you seriously considering sueing FACEBOOK as a valid option ? all of steemwallets combined dont have the money for that, mah frend ... the TEK-5 or 9 fight battles with the EU for years how the hell would a pack of petri-dish fish go against that, even if the underlying point is to the point you need to check reality here, that's just burning money. Better would be to bribe companies to side with or convince them that steem (not necessarily steem-IT) has added value to offer (in any way, doesnt just have to be fee-less transactions on an incorruptible ledger) and companies can bring people because they CAN advertise to their clients or even simply provide wallets / accounts .
This thing where steemit inc , the social network DAPP they operate is confused with STEEM and the steemchain is not really a good thing i thingk ... minus g yea its not the same thing. This is ONE application running on top of the blockchain itself and steemit is the centralized company lol ... the de-centralization likes with what (i thought it used to be 50 but i read its only 20 ?) people voting on "the rules" as proposed by , so this is a nice way to crowd-source ... I see a lot of effort being made but also a lot of delusions (like HF21 for instance) which is good because at least people are trying , which wasnt happening when money was raining ... takes world war 2 to jolt the americans, right ? (bad european joke i guess ... Churchill woulda loved that one though ...)

It's a lot of reading and thanks @therealfolf for the informative posts, that's much appreciated although i dont share your view on "how cool free downvotes are" and i hope smartsteem can fix itself somehow (and stay profitable for you too btw)
i would personally vote for no more payouts to run a node so people who do need to run business in order to make money, its already low-cost requirement BUT AT THE MOMENT

that would be a bad idea because the pool would grow too small and nasty stuff could happen, youd need a broader base first ... (and who the hell is gonna vote themselves out of free money in order to save the planet that feeds them ? that would be first for humanity, i have no illusions there)

that's a lot of reading, and a nice way to crowdsource ... and probably also a nice way for some witnesses (not saying YOU there) to grab ideas as proposals to stay in the top 20 but everything that keeps this thing floating (for now) and gets the price up is fine with me. Makkiavelli if need be, BUT

the inflation is the biggest problem ... if it were in any way possible to switch to capped or pegged that would take out one huge issue .. the problem is how to translate that to the number one DAPP running on and off of it ?

You would still have STEEM as a token and the chain could do what it does i suppose but how to present people with rewards coming out of thin air when it doesnt come out of thin air anymore ?

At the very least have more than 3 digits ... maybe ask the numbers guys, holger and cronies or something ... and put the old ned & dan in a room , lock the door, throw the key and dont let them out until they come up with a solution :D

anyways ....

ive been talking way too much again and while im talking im not doing stuff

thanks for the intel, always much appreciated

30.08.2019 21:54
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The Class Action against Facebook, Google & Twitter is very serious and has support from some of the best legal minds in Australia. We are suing in Australia, not the US or EU and I know from experience that even the biggest opponents can be defeated by a strong legal case (which we have).
I've beaten opponents bigger than Facebook, Google & Twitter put together twice in the High Court of Australia, so I know what I'm talking about.
I suggest you have a good look at @jpbliberty's Proposal & website before jumping to uninformed conclusions.

31.08.2019 17:14
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Do you think anyone gets aroused about 0.001$ Voting Power for a new Account and just has to be notified? Pathetic.

No, you're bloody wrong. People don't care and it is because the Stake holders favorit content (what is trending on steemit all the time) is wrong for mainstream communities. Everyone who discovers Steem (Steemit) turns their back in it immediately.

You think anyone outside the existing Steem community reads long and only written articles? Go seach for a space on the moon, you might need it to stay real in 2020.

30.08.2019 22:26
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I if delegate my steem power to someone, is my proposal vote power still the same or does it go away with my voting power? Same question for witness votes, does delegating reduce my influence on witnesses (through my own votes).

30.08.2019 22:25
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Delegating your Steempower & voting is differentiated.

31.08.2019 18:56
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31.08.2019 18:54
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