Investing into the discussion


I just staked my first NEOXAG:

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And:

Slow down, slow down - I can only read so many DM vote begs at a time...

Just joking, no one messages me...

While I am posting this for #steemleo, this is less a direct investing post than perhaps it should be, but I think that there is something that needs to be said. If you are one of those people who tag all of the largest staked users you can find in the hope to get something from them, Please stop.

I got one of these messages today through a Gina notification and the person's excuse, someone I had never met before but is a very high rep, was that they have no friends so word of mouth doesn't work and they want to attract comments. While some people might "like" getting randomly tagged, if you are looking to actually build a following, using the highest stake lists isn't the way to do it. Well, at least I think it is very, very tasteless and I think will be met with some mutes, possibly some downvotes.

When I had a look at the comments made by the user, I was hard-pressed to find comments that were on any other blog than their own then checked Steemworld and found this:

That is a post:comment ratio of 1:1.23 so, no wonder there might be a bit of a struggle in getting engagement. For reference, one of the most engaged users on steem who puts us all to shame:


This is @abh12345

and my own shameful attempt in comparison:

In my defense, I used to get a lot of spam comments and I post 5x more than Asher because he is lazy.

Now, this is where the investment comes into it, because if someone actually wants to build an audience here, they are going to have to actually build the audience as for the most part, content alone isn't enough. This is an investment into an experience and as one attention whore artist has said repeatedly, your account is like a business and that means you have to invest into it.

He has:

This is @nonameslefttouse

These are people who aren't necessarily earning the largest amounts on the platform yet are doing well, but they are getting support in the comments sections, they have friends, they have respect, their voice is heard and, I have never been tagged by them unnecessarily to get my attention. Nonames isn't an attention whore at any cost, he gets his attention through his artwork and engagement, through the investment he makes into the community to the point that even when he is on hiatus for 5 months, people care enough to comment and look for him.

It is community investment that garners the most attention on Steem and while it doesn't always come with fat votes, it does come with a voice that gets heard wider than many and an account that can collect many voices for a discussion. I call these accounts Steem nodes because they connect so many points of Steem together, like a call exchange.


@whatsup is another that comes to mind here.

You won't find a lot of "nice post!" comments in that group and it is not comments alone, but the pattern is clear that for those who have worked their way into the community deeply, they are also those involved and engaged with the community deeply. Ask any of these people about the coming hardfork, and they will be able to give you their opinion in detail if necessary, and other than @abh12345 who data dives, none of them are overly technical. The reason they know is because they care enough to understand the system that affects them and the community they care about from their own perspectives. They are invested into the community, just as much (if not more so) than they are invested into Steem.

I have used the account as a Steem business analogy too over the years, as I see this as work. A lot of fun work too, but it is work performed toward some kind of outcome in the future and, hopefully a positive one for as many of us as possible. Whether it be a user base, an economic future, a spreading of ideas or a new business model, this takes effort, time, energy and all kinds of various skills.

Learn and earn. This doesn't just mean earn some token, it means, earn the outcome you are looking to reach. If you want to get valuable comments on your post, learn how that happens. If you want eyes on your art, learn how that happens. If you want the votes of whales, ummm.. you are probably shit out of luck because there are only 17 active ones, but there are quite a few Orcas and dolphins that are swimming these waters too so - learn what they are interested in.

Of course, people can use whatever strategy they think will work for them on Steem and what works for one might not work for another but, learning what works for you to reach the outcomes you are looking for is your own responsibility. Sometimes though, there might be others who you could learn from who might have seen a thing or two on their own journey that could help whittle down the choices for a better way forward.

One thing you will always own is your experience - Even if it is not the one you want.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]


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post:comment ratio

1:47.5 - @abh12345

1:21.8 - @nonameslefttouse
1:12.6 - @whatsup
1:7.1 - and lame ass me

While the ratio is one thing, the content of those comments matters too.

20.07.2019 21:30
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I am happy with my 1:9(ish) working on getting 1:10

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20.07.2019 22:24
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Yep, I have to work harder but what kills my ratio is the arsehole that keeps posting top-level posts at night....

20.07.2019 22:27
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Wow cool! :) I didn't even know but that is a stat I am proud of!

20.07.2019 23:06
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It is a pretty good metric for those who are active in posting also.

21.07.2019 05:52
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It might be worth mentioning: I'll often respond, and get a response to my response. I don't always get the last word, nor is it necessary to have the last word. Listening is part of the conversation as well.

20.07.2019 23:07
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I think you would have a really good depth of comments with multiple responses. I can't d that math though, that is one for @abh12345

21.07.2019 05:53
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That dude must go through a lot of calculators in a year...

21.07.2019 06:07
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He does it all on the walls of his apartment

21.07.2019 06:12
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I bet that looks, healthy.

21.07.2019 06:19
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I met Ash in Poland at SF3, he looks uncannily like this:

21.07.2019 06:25
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What a bloody mess.

21.07.2019 06:45
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The teeth are spot on.

21.07.2019 15:43
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Those teeth probably took me almost two hours...

21.07.2019 15:46
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tea-teeth

21.07.2019 19:02
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Bent and discolored :D

21.07.2019 21:05
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Too many to calculate :O

21.07.2019 15:42
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You're going to need more fingers.

21.07.2019 15:47
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Last word

21.07.2019 21:58
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Final answer?

22.07.2019 03:07
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Mine is 1:50ish (rounded it down), yay I'm good at something? XD

21.07.2019 06:05
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@mattclarke is really high too. What does that say about Australians? :D

21.07.2019 06:12
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That we're awesome ;D

21.07.2019 06:36
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Was just looking and @galenkp has a solid 1:8

Pretty interesting to see the ratios :D

21.07.2019 06:39
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Lowly 1:8 feels as bad as getting picked last for the football team in grade 4. 😁

21.07.2019 06:51
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Means you don't live on your computer unlike some of us? XD

21.07.2019 08:02
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Yes, thats probably it. off the hook then huh? ☺️

21.07.2019 08:06
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Go me :D

Thanks for the read, there must be people with a higher ratio than me and maybe I'll have a look in the data at some point.

21.07.2019 15:42
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THere probably are, but considering you post decent posts occasionally too ;D

21.07.2019 17:22
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I’m on mobile so I can’t check but I bet I got you all beat combined. Thanks ftg! ;)

When I get a a PC I’ll check mine filtering him out.

21.07.2019 21:58
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You definitely get a few replies :D

22.07.2019 07:00
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I don't even remember, when I taged someone.

20.07.2019 21:32
2

me either @atnazo ;D

20.07.2019 21:33
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I'm maintaining a pretty even 1:10 ratio for a while now.

20.07.2019 22:00
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Not sure where you got those stats from but according to steemitboard I'm at:

1422
POSTS
14139
COMMENTS
16500
REPLIES

20.07.2019 22:02
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Ah steemworld has nightmode now? :P

20.07.2019 22:02
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Night mode should be standard on everything.

Setting/layout.

20.07.2019 22:07
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For a year or so! :D

21.07.2019 22:30
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I am hoping that I will be able to improve the ratio by posting less :D

20.07.2019 22:03
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Or improve it by quitting your job and just commenting more. :D

20.07.2019 22:39
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:Soon:

20.07.2019 22:45
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Tagging someone? I don’t even know what that means. Discord related? If so, maybe that’s part of why I’ve avoided using Discord.

20.07.2019 22:05
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Gina is a notification tool for various purposes. I like it because i can also mute people ;)
Discord is okay for chatting to people off chain

20.07.2019 22:11
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Nice post, yo.

I have 300 posts so it's easy for me to brag with my post:comment ratio.

It's over 9000.

20.07.2019 22:15
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is that ratio calculated on comments or characters per comment? ;D

20.07.2019 22:19
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Well actually I was lying. I could try to hide the truth in another way...

It's over 9 , 0 0 0

Nobody see's the , there.

20.07.2019 22:28
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It is 16 I think. lame. Asher wins.

20.07.2019 22:29
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I know. That's why I'm writing so many comments now.

There would be another solution too:
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20.07.2019 22:34
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oh that is disturbing.

20.07.2019 22:35
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I’ve been a comment whore since I started here lol didn’t really know what to post for a few weeks so I just stalked people like edicted for a while. I’ve been actually posting more but the random tags are a bit annoying. I partially find it flattering that someone thinks I’m worth tagging, this one guy tags me every time he posted for like a month lol. People of your strength get it worse than me for sure, I’ve seen the lame nice post spam comments on so many but mainly when the price of Steem improves. Right now there’s less spammers.

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20.07.2019 22:40
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so I just stalked people like edicted for a while.

I think everyone stalks @edicted - it's the red hat.

I’ve seen the lame nice post spam comments on so many but mainly when the price of Steem improves. Right now there’s less spammers.

After HF20 where RCs were added, Spam dropped by about 80%. After that, the price has done the rest :D

20.07.2019 22:46
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I enjoy it when I get tagged and see a joke. Attention whore made me LOL for real.

But yes, it is so incredibly annoying to receive notifications that lead to nonsense and a goddamn brown noser. Wallet spam is another problem. Seriously. If I was standing somewhere, enjoying whatever, and you grabbed my wallet just to put your business card in there, I'd probably punch or shove you before I say anything like, "Hello. Nice shirt."

20.07.2019 22:59
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Haha, I lol'd at your wallet scenario...It wouldn't go down well with me either...Unless they grabbed my wallet and slipped in $100 then put it back. ...Well, providing there was no strings attached.

20.07.2019 23:15
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I did tell one guy his new memo fee would be 10 SBD or he could just stop sending me wallet spam. I wasn't surprised when he said he'd prefer to stop.

20.07.2019 23:25
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😂

20.07.2019 23:28
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I reckon if it was 0.1 instead of .001 it would change the behavior, 100x more expensive.

21.07.2019 05:55
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At least 1 SBD. 10, maybe I'll actually look.

21.07.2019 06:02
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lols. You don't like a man's hands down in your back pocket?

21.07.2019 05:56
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That should only happen when I get arrested; and it's been awhile.

21.07.2019 06:06
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There is one Crypto something that loves the wallet spam and has inspired others to do the same for him.

21.07.2019 07:45
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That's the exact ass kisser I'm talking about. He's the one that owes me ten bucks per spam now.

21.07.2019 07:51
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It seems to have gotten him a following - like a cult.

21.07.2019 08:11
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I think he just talks to himself.

21.07.2019 08:15
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I believe one of the reasons to downvote is "spam" (they don't specify what kind of spam either" so yey free downvote pool soon!

Also to the people being all like "hey it's something and it adds up after a while", no, not it doesn't, shut the fuck up and don't accept that spam.

21.07.2019 19:12
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no, not it doesn't, shut the fuck up and don't accept that spam.

but, but after 1000 spam messages I will have 1 SBD! :D

21.07.2019 20:56
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Well, I suppose if you're really slow at math, then yeah, I can see how that could be appealing.

22.07.2019 03:12
1

Cool post and you managed to cover a lot of topics in a single post.

Engagement.
The power of the community
How that relates to earning
Growing one's account by engaging...

A shout out to a few of my favorite and most respected Steemians.

well done.

curated by @adsup a division of @adsactly.

I think it is important to curate those who are doing it right! It's not charity, it is building a community.

20.07.2019 23:46
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thank you. I try to pack everything on my mind into one post just in case it will be my last ;D

21.07.2019 05:57
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Hmmmmm Post to comment Ratio is a good one to measure. I might add it to the prioritization rules in @we-are when it goes looking for something to upvote.

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21.07.2019 00:10
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At least for those who post regularly it is a good metric I think - as long as not automated comments :)

21.07.2019 05:57
0

Does tagging actually work for some people though? It must or otherwise people wouldn't do it, right?

21.07.2019 00:21
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I'm quite sure it doesn't.

People do not need proof to believe something to work.

21.07.2019 05:54
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For some perhaps. But, maybe some people will start flagging those who tag indiscriminately in the future. I have in the past flagged for it being a repeated behavior after warnings.

21.07.2019 05:58
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Another great article Taraz! I always appreciate the artful way you reveal the secrets of successful blogging ~ You must engage beginning with a relevant comment that can possibly bloom into a stimulating and refreshing discussion with ROCK-SHOCK-ALOTTA-UPVOTES as the fruit of your time to engage. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

21.07.2019 01:03
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Incredible stats as it has become more difficult to keep it up for me! Just being present helps plenty I have found as we never known who will be the next person to knock on our door!

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21.07.2019 03:38
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Being present is the secret to life, whether on Steem or playing Lego with the kids

21.07.2019 05:59
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I get 1:63, but considering my 1000th day is in the rear-view; <200 posts is pretty dismal.
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21.07.2019 06:02
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:D eat that @abh12345 :D

Yeah, you should post more Matt

21.07.2019 06:04
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I'm not going to square up against a guy who's token does this.
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21.07.2019 07:18
1

:D

Look at them gains.

21.07.2019 07:28
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Wow! :D

!ENGAGE 100

21.07.2019 22:29
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Here are your ENGAGE tokens!

To view or trade ENGAGE go to steem-engine.com.

21.07.2019 22:30
1

I was curious:

3 months left for me.

21.07.2019 06:27
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That is insane.

21.07.2019 19:15
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I'd say this counts as an investment post but I "invest" weirdly (generally in people, and things I guess if I like the idea behind the thing).

21.07.2019 06:13
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On a basic level, there are 4 types of people:

why, what, how and what if.

why, the reasons for doing something,
what, the details of the something,
how, the process for the something
what if, the possible applications of the something

While people move between these points depending on subject, understanding these four points as supplier can help engage more of the audience.

For the most part, if people don't know "the why", at all, they are unlikely to invest time, effort energy into it. If for example, you like the why, you will explore further into the what and how and potentially find new what ifs when a creative thinker.

I am a what if person at heart, but understanding this means that to get access to future possibility, I need to know what and how and of course, the why has to attract me in the first place.

21.07.2019 06:24
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Well, I don't know what's my post:comment ratio according your math @tarazkp.

But I'm gonna show publicly here my numbers, just to contrast & contradict everyone's common statistics here.

I suspect that my numbers portray the 'ratio' of an authentic weird ol' rebel that not even by accident may have a results resemblance to regular people.

PostCount.jpg

And yeah, I am as contrasting and as spirit of contradiction. That I'm not even using steemit or steemworld in night mode. :p

21.07.2019 06:56
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1:8.6

Anti-night mode is insanity

21.07.2019 07:10
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Uhm, 1:8.6 looks like a nice, sober & more logic post:comment ratio permutation sequence. :)

Anti-night mode is insanity

Oh! can i get that phrase to print it on an expo pin and hook it on the shirtfront of my pink baton? };)

21.07.2019 07:43
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Nice and interesting post, my stats are as follow:
Posts:1496

Comments: 31145
Replies:4226
Looks like I was quite busy, although I am almost here for 3 years (August)

21.07.2019 15:02
1

Yep, that ratio is up there with 1:20

Btw, I joined January 2017, but it was still 6 months before the comment votes arrived. From my memory, even though there was no direct economic incentive, people still commented. Do you remember different?

21.07.2019 17:24
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You were always able to vote on comments, it's just that no one did cause superlinear and 30min penalty, they were too busy trying to get CR from posts.

Was a good time for me to focus on curating with a trail and not posting but only commenting to increase activity and retention. :')

21.07.2019 19:05
2

ah, was that what it was? So when it just wasn't worth voting comments. I think that after HF21 many people who don't know how to build a following will stop commenting because they won't get 2 cents for it, not realizing that it is costing them many dollars in the future.

21.07.2019 19:09
2

@tarazkp I thought you were right about the voting on comments, seems we are both not correct!!
Thanks @acidyo for helping us remember!!

22.07.2019 18:21
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He has an elephant's memory :D

It was actually @acidyo that got me taking Steem seriously and I started to learn. I wish I had run into him when I started but it took me over 6 months to start understanding the real potential. Up until then, I just posted and crossed my fingers someone saw it.

22.07.2019 19:13
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I liked this post, and the ratio. I am terrible at math, but I have always liked to comment since joining steemit. I recently went over 13,000, except for a couple of robotic type post from a project all of mine I think have been more than 5 words.

Comments are the new users best friend, if used and done right. Now all I need to do is figure out posting, but I'm just a bit to inconsistent on current things I like to do, and have a tendency to float between a lot of things. I'd be a terrible small business owner, my store would keep changing it's character, one week garden tools, then the next week yarn and crafts, or photography supplies, my customers would not know what was in the store from week to week,

21.07.2019 17:39
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Lol, I think many of us are bad business owners here but hopefully the opportunity to be good at business by changing it up is available :)

Comments are definitely one of the best ways to build relationships on Steem, perhaps the only way.

21.07.2019 18:47
0

Ah, the tagging. I hate that. I think I was in that one too, the one about the video. Sigh

21.07.2019 19:37
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Yep, it is a dodgy ploy and should be met with the disdain it deserves. I didn't watch the video - you? What I saw was a whole list of various banners about random shit that looked like a TVshop advert from 1996.

21.07.2019 19:42
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Hehe, nah. I wouldn't watch it out of principle. I only looked to see the comments :0D

21.07.2019 19:48
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yeah, he was a douche. But, it is his life.

21.07.2019 19:56
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I wrote awhile ago about a dude who wrote about steemit's UI changes, and put that on the sports trending page. Same guy.

23.07.2019 22:50
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:D
lol

24.07.2019 19:59
0

nice post @tarazkp whats my ratio? hahaha

24.07.2019 04:10
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1:21

Lame. You have your work cut out for you to catch up ;D

24.07.2019 19:58
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