Help Test Hardfork 21!


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Hello Steemians, 22 days ago we released the HF21 Testnet and we’re happy to see that a number of great Steemians like @gtg and @timcliff have been performing tests. We would like to tag a final release in the near future and give exchanges as much time as possible before the Hardfork date to prepare. But before we do that we need to be absolutely certain that the code has been sufficiently tested.

Test, Test, Test

That’s why we want to put a call out to all Steem developers capable of testing HF21 to do one last testing push so that we can be confident that there will be no issues with the Hardfork. But we also have one more favor to ask: document your testing on Steem.

Document Testing

While testing alone is great, we (all stakeholders who have a vested interest in ensuring that HF21 goes smoothly) can’t be certain that the testing is sufficient if we don’t know the details of what an engineer tested, and how they ran their tests.

That’s why we would like to ask those developers running tests on HF21 to post to Steem about their process for testing the blockchain and share a link to that post in the comments section below. Not only will this help us determine whether the level and type of testing is sufficient, but it will also help developers learn from one another, and help the Steem developer community improve our testing methods over time, so that effective testing becomes easier and easier with every Hardfork.

Thank you, and Test On.

The Steemit Team


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very good keep testing well and tell us when you decide hf21 release date and please keep quick this job i'm very excited about SMT hope you will give us smt release date soon thank you.

10.07.2019 21:29
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i am here for smt too

11.07.2019 09:16
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Eli said during an interview with @aggroed during his Steem witness forum the date of Steemfest for SMTs. It wasn’t discussed in detail and it just kind of came out during her response to some questions about other things. It makes sense to me that they internally will want that done before Steemfest in early November in some form or another ... at least a testnet I would think. Let’s hope they can get it done. Back in Nov/Dec of last year when they were releasing their sprint data it looked like they were getting close and that was before they removed some complicated features of SMTs.

11.07.2019 17:26
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hahaha - it was to be released at Steemfest 2 years ago...

11.07.2019 17:55
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@gtg is worst for STEEM!
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11.07.2019 21:24
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Shhhh .... !PatienceCoin

11.07.2019 22:15
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nice, at least you consult the community about this. thanks and good luck

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10.07.2019 22:26
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you are a moron

13.07.2019 08:09
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Development of blockchain / wallet needs to have proper democratic governance. Bitcoin failed to solve this problem early on . Steem can solve it, i am confident. Forking is our secret weapon, other non Steem/dpos based coins fail to engineer. Removing flaws only makes the blockchain better over time, year after year. The problem with our design comes when a small number of insulated people develop all the code, (this is what caused bitcoin block transactions to become full). Decentralized development isn't easy, I am still very confident this is the way forward.

10.07.2019 22:51
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@gtg is worst for STEEM!
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11.07.2019 21:24
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Thanks @gtg and @timcliff. Guess i still don't get what witnesses are supposed to do, or did credit not go to all the others also?

10.07.2019 23:06
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Right? I know there are others testing it. And also, I'd like to know, what can we REALLY expect in hf21? Author rewards at zero for the average user?

11.07.2019 04:35
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i'm not an author, i'm an avid reader and buyer of steem, so for me it's easy, i only need 10 things i like to read or watch each day to vote on.

{Author rewards zero for the average user} - sounds like real life, sounds like maybe, just maybe a currency with some real value can be achieved with hf21.

11.07.2019 05:28
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Oof, hard pass on that. I want my votes to matter on the things I like to read. With the new rewards curve, unless you prefer viral content to niche content, you won't be rewarding the authors. I've known for a while that my tastes don't align with the mainstream. So, like a Republican in California, my vote won't matter.

11.07.2019 16:38
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Dude, I know you're struggling with this, you know I respect you. If you're uncomfortable with an author receiving less, adjust your SP delegation. You have far more than half of your potential in the hands of someone else.

12.07.2019 17:18
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It's in the hands of a program I trust and support, one that I think might be even more essential after the change. It furthermore seems to me that curating the content I like will be less, not more, rewarding. With all of my SP, a 100% upvote from me will be far far less than the 16 Steem line at which rewards are the same. And I like voting on comments and other content that generally doesn't get a bunch of votes. The way I use upvotes and steem power is the way I think steem is best, but it's not what these changes are aimed at, which seems to be offering outsize rewards to what is most popular.

I like delegating to SBI, because I think the mission is worthwhile, and the practical impact has been tremendous. I furthermore think that, if small users are going to stay active on the platform, SBI will play a big role in that.

12.07.2019 18:01
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I guess we'll see how it goes. I'm not a fan of every change. But I do know people would be getting paid a hell of a lot more if they didn't centralize SP. And if more people would BUY instead of looking for ways to get the easy handouts, we'd be in far better shape. I just think of Youtube and how much work it takes to get the ball rolling there. Millions of producers, many of them working for years, many have yet to see a dime. I'm more about working on my stuff, hoping to draw an invested following. That's way different than a following. I don't know if you caught that post I linked in a comment above, but it's a good read. Community seemed to like it.

12.07.2019 18:41
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What's the metaphor about people being paid to avoid your shop about?

12.07.2019 18:47
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If I buy your vote, are you coming to my blog to look, or are you getting paid to look away?

Centralization of SP. If you have a bidbot and 1000 people delegate to it, you've effectively concentrated 1000 people worth of SP into ONE paid vote. That means 1000 people who cannot support your work, as they are being paid to look away. It's the concentration of wealth is for profit or not for profit, doesn't matter, the negative effects of concentrating SP into fewer hands are still exist.

13.07.2019 01:54
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Ah. Yes. Got it. Well said

13.07.2019 03:26
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sp is so centralized against me, it is wack!

13.07.2019 10:15
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Also, I didn't know you respected me, but I'm glad to hear it!

12.07.2019 18:02
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I just thought everyone knew if I'm talking to them I probably respect them.... LOL!

12.07.2019 18:43
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how could authors even make less than this??

13.07.2019 10:13
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Also, by average author, I mean those who DON'T use bots. The authors who use bots will, by and large, benefit from this change at the expense of those who don't.

11.07.2019 16:45
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:20
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The authors who use bots will, by and large, benefit from this change at the expense of those who don't.

That assumes that bot users won't have their bot upvotes downvoted away by larger SP holders who are annoyed by their over-dependency on them (as there is now zero potential profit loss from downvoting at 100% a few times a day, aside from retaliation downvotes, which don't apply to accounts that don't create content and only curate).

This brings up another potential future issue - bot users being annoyed by dolphin/ orca/ whale downvotes on their content that they invested their own hard-earned money into (I forsee some "rage quits" happening in the future due to this). The risk with using bid bots will certainly be higher than it ever was before hard-fork 21, that much is a certainty.

I'm actually contemplating stopping all content creation on the Steem blockchain (as I'm making pittance on it as it is) and focusing solely on curation, so that I can use up all of my "free" downvotes without risk of retaliation from pissed off, entitled, Steemit abusers.

12.07.2019 00:07
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I guess we'll see. I think big holders selling their downvotes and maybe downvoting the trending page seems more likely than them downvoting $6 upvotes from bidbots.

12.07.2019 00:11
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I agree that that would likely be the majority of the focus (Haejin, don't know if I spelled that correctly, comes to mind as an account that could/ should receive some of that focus), but even a small percentage of the large-holders of SP devoting their power to quelling dependency on bid bots (if I can put it that way) could make a huge difference when it comes to how easy of a decision it is for users to rely on bid bots for exposure/ profits.

12.07.2019 00:19
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Even the "good" witnesses run bots themselves. They think, as long as it isn't flagrant abuse, it's not the problem.

They're against the 100x/day posts that buy votes.

But I think this change will encourage regular users with decent content to buy votes because the system is broken. It's just another step of complication.

12.07.2019 06:24
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I mostly agree. The "regular users with decent content" aren't a problem. Their content deserves to get discovered and their effort deserves monetary kick-back. It's the other seemingly 60% that put out near-literal crap left and right and bot-vote it up to ridiculous payouts that I see as the biggest issue on this platform; them and the greedy, 100% self-upvote whales...cough... Haejin... cough.

12.07.2019 18:16
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And that's exactly the problem. This net is being cast so wide, it will hit the good users as well as the abusers. It's like catching dolphins in tuna nets. Or it's like a court system that puts guilty people in jail, but also innocent people.

And ultimately, as much as the abusers are a problem, if the solution punishes the many non-abusers to this extent, it's not a solution.

12.07.2019 18:41
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You might be right. Who knows, this HF might be the last nail in the coffin on Steem's chances at self-sustainability as an economy, but I feel like action needs to take place now; some kind of change is needed, because what's happening now clearly isn't sustainable... for months, let alone years. There likely will be some "good actors" caught in the cross-fire if what I think is going to happen goes down anything like I visualize it, but, I also feel it will end up as a net positive, as (hopefully) a lot of the abusers will be put into their proper place (profitless or losing money) and essentially purged from the economy.

As much as I hate to use a borderline psychopathic saying, I'm going with it because I think it applies here: "you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette".

12.07.2019 19:20
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I'll point out, there was no community feedback opportunity on the details. It was first presented that way, as a conversation starter, and then, whole hog, it was a done deal.

I have ideas about how the damage to "good actors" can be ameliorated, but the software is already written and the witnesses are hellbent on convincing us to drop our protestations and get on board. My only hope is that, if it doesn't do what they want and does hurt us more, they'll see that quickly and roll back the changes nearly immediately. But all these warnings that with any changes, there will be a period of pain as things adjust make me fear that they're preparing us to grow used to a world that is duller. And that they'll be less able to see the moment when they can analyze its impact because they'll always be telling themselves it's just growing pains.

12.07.2019 20:32
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We're basically on the same page about how these kind of changes are handled. I picture this upcoming hard-fork as more of a "hail mary" than a well-thought out solution to all of the underlying issues, but, unlike yourself, I don't have a clear picture in my mind as to what could better solve them than what they've suggested (and are trying to implement into that hf).

It may not end up being a net positive or it might (fingers crossed), but, instead of waiting around to find out, I'm going into action with what tools this next hard-fork is going to provide me with (more power to determine where rewards are distributed with "free downvotes"), to do my best to try to correct what I'm convinced is sucking this community/ economy dry.

12.07.2019 21:13
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i’m down voting the trending page already

13.07.2019 10:16
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I'm actually contemplating stopping all content creation on the Steem blockchain (as I'm making pittance on it as it is) and focusing solely on curation, so that I can use up all of my "free" downvotes without risk of retaliation from pissed off, entitled, Steemit abusers.

Same here. My career as author may end soon. My new career as whale flagger may begin. :)
I don't care much to earn more STEEM as I have enough anyway to get rich if the STEEM price rises significantly (and if it doesn't, then anyway it won't help to have even more STEEM than now).
The only problem is that I really like to write from time to time, and I guess my articles to become real flag festivals if I keep posting and at the same time flagging abusive whales. :)

16.07.2019 13:05
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The only problem is that I really like to write from time to time, and I guess my articles to become real flag festivals if I keep posting and at the same time flagging abusive whales. :)

I hear you.

One possible solution is to make an alternative account to post from, without leaving any obvious traces to your main account's identity (so you obviously can't vote on it or delegate SP to it from your main account). The problem with that is that we each have our own unique "writing personality" and potential voting retaliators may (or may not?) be astute enough to make the connection.

Odds are, sticking to the same posting format and/or topics (on top of what I mentioned about writing style) will add up to more than enough evidence to make that connection, assuming that the content from the alt-account is sufficiently "visible". If the posts from this alt-account are making mere pennies per pay-out, there's a chance that it can go on unnoticed for eons, haha.

19.07.2019 01:07
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i am average author that does not use bots, and the bid bits even cone after me fir being an average blogger

13.07.2019 10:15
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Someone please block @ngc!Screen Shot 2019-07-11 at 11.10.52 AM.png

11.07.2019 21:14
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@gtg is worst for STEEM!
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11.07.2019 21:24
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dudethis ngc gotta go, he’s driving me bonkers!Screen Shot 2019-07-11 at 11.10.52 AM.png

11.07.2019 21:13
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I musta been seeing things, had a few letters jumbled this morning!

11.07.2019 20:17
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:19
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@gtg is worst for STEEM!
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11.07.2019 21:24
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I don't know if it is the testing or what, but the wallet page screen looks a little off. Missing parts of the header, parts of the header not showing, basically the aesthetic stuff is all I can really mention, but I did learn a little HTML and CSS over the last couple of weeks and it looks like in the body portion of the ` anoverflow-x: hidden;` line is needed that should take care of the bottom scroll bar issue.

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11.07.2019 04:41
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Reputation and number of posts and followers are not important on the Steemit Wallet, only on the social app, steemit.com.

11.07.2019 09:33
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I'm fine with that, it seems to me prior to the testing that info was on the wallet page also, I could be mistaken however. With testing going on and the request for the testers to post results here, for the dev's to see what issues are up, I thought I would post what I saw as an anomaly. There were if people recall a few anomalies during the HF20 testing.

If people, the developers and the witnesses and some users do not want the plain old ordinary person pointing out things that may be amiss I am fine with that. It certainly is not worth the down votes for attempting to let people, especially the developers know about possible Glitches.

By your reasoning of "not important on the Steemit Wallet", then the background picture and all the other header information is un-needed and can be don away with thus saving the micro bandwidth they use up.

Part of a good user experience is to have consistent look and feel across the pages. I believe there was just a minor issue with when the Wallet page came out, of people not being able to get back to their Blog, that got resolved pretty quickly. Why, because of consistency, things did not work the way they used to for people and thus caused issues.

11.07.2019 21:36
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It's fine to report possible issues when you find them. I do that too. The testing they were referring to in the post was about the HF21 testnet. Sorry if you received a downvote for that. Here's an upvote from me on your reply.

12.07.2019 09:17
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If you don’t know what testing is then what good are you! Yes that is testing! testing 123

11.07.2019 20:48
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@steemitblog,
I don't know how I could help this, coz I am not a confidence developer so far. Anyway @timcliff and @gtg hat off for your work!

Cheers~

11.07.2019 05:56
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F u for applauding @gtg, he is the one flagging and spamming me!

11.07.2019 20:18
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:19
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@kdtkaren,
I don't know what you mean, is @gtg is @ngc? Honestly I don't know that! I am supporting HF21, so I think you both should stay away from flagging my contents for nothing!

Cheers~

12.07.2019 04:29
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Sorry you must have the wrong person, my account was hacked and now I have all kinds of issues!

14.07.2019 01:54
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Is there a rough timeline for when the fork will be released

11.07.2019 06:51
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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we need smt date

11.07.2019 09:17
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more like we need hf estimate date

13.07.2019 10:20
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Each top 20 witness has to post a report with the results of their testing of the hardfork, and whether it passes their quality checks. That's the process that was being talked about on the last hardfork, right? When we had issues due to insufficient testing. Remember?

Why aren't all witnesses rushing to test this thing and post their reports so we can schedule the hardfork?

11.07.2019 10:30
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you decide with your witness vote

11.07.2019 13:16
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Actually he doesn't. The top 20 witnesses are more or less decided by a handful of mega whales. Nothing beyond those votes matters. It's a joke to think "the people" or some kind of "consensus" selects the witnesses... which is a major problem on here.

11.07.2019 14:56
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Yes, I know and there is nothing we small accounts can do about it, except vote in a different direction.
And he is currently voting for a lot of T20 Witnesses...

11.07.2019 15:02
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Actually, of course the mega whales have a huge influence, but this also because many many of the small people don't power up and don't vote.

11.07.2019 15:10
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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This is because the small people don't power up? LOL those top 20 whales NEVER POWERED UP either lmao.. they just premined their Stake and now hold control over the platform for stinc. And Stinc steers the Steem ship via Pumpkin choosing who gets the golden seat of top 20 witness.

So don't give us this "people don't power up and this is why they don't have influence bullshit"..

Give us a fucking break

13.07.2019 08:07
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But it's true, of course the big accounts have a huge influence, and of course this is mainly because they were the first ones to be here, but that's how it works unfortunately. And the only way to change it is having the huge crowd of small people powering up more Steem and starting to vote the best witnesses.

There have been multiple posts in the past analyzing this and a huge portion of Steem and Steem Power does not vote for any witness which further centralizes the process.
(This counts for any type of democracy).

13.07.2019 16:10
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As long as pumpkin is choosing who gets the golden seats it makes no difference who we all vote for. It is a big sham. A false democracy.

14.07.2019 08:29
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:20
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:12
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:19
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@gtg is worst for STEEM!
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11.07.2019 21:24
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very lazy development ruined steem market value every one is leaving steem forever we do not care anymore about steem and lame promise of SMT which is lolipop leave us alone if you cannot make steem stable no one like to stay if steem keep droping 10 ,15% per day

11.07.2019 11:46
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The rest of the market is dropping as well, though as you allude to, steem is worse than most.

11.07.2019 14:57
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!
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11.07.2019 21:13
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some people like me are getting forced out, hard to stay but don’t have anywhere to go??!??

13.07.2019 10:12
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I am looking forward for the changes. Great work you all are doing. I fail to understand why so many people complain about steem when there is no other platform that does better than steem.

11.07.2019 17:14
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you are right man

12.07.2019 03:16
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I agree

14.07.2019 08:14
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Ah, smashing. This is what I have been waiting for. Yes, document tests and failures. Great stuff!

11.07.2019 19:03
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@gtg is not a great steemian, he is the worst one!

11.07.2019 20:16
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find any bugs yet?

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11.07.2019 20:38
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See! & you applaud that lol - bad move dude!This guy = bad = @ngc!
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11.07.2019 21:12
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Nice to know you all applaud @gtg - the absolute worst apple of the bunch rotting this place!
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11.07.2019 21:19
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I'm so disappointed with Steemit Inc. I think you have missed a unique opportunity in the last two years. With ZERO marketing, poor execution and lacking the confidence of any investor. And now, are you still removing rewards from content creators? Unveliebeble! I don't understand how you don't take some earnings from the witnesses, in HF21. And if they have any problem with losing profits, there are 100 candidates available to replace them. On the other hand, it is enough to influence the position of witness with accounts related to Steem, such as pumpking or whatever it is called. You don't listen to the voice of the community and you only ask to witnesses, who obviously accept this proposal, because it means more gain for them. Or maybe, you're going to tell me that with $2600 a month, is not enough? Plus all they earn with the SP generated.

I loved this platform, I was a content creator. I published 2 to 3 times per day when the Steem was $0.09. But now, I consider myself completely out of Steem, because the only thing that witnesses and Steemit Inc do, is go against what the community wants. YOU ARE LOSING THE CONTENT CREATORS, WHICH ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT VALUE THAT THIS PLATFORM HAS/ OR HAD. And I can say this because I'm not interested in anyone's vote, nor do I care if they put a flag on me. The content creator that keeps publishing, is not going to say this, because they would lose votes. And do you know where the destruction of Steem is clearly seen? In the market capitalization. From position 15 or even higher, to 79. SEVENTY-NINE! And it will keep going down, unfortunately, because it seems that those who have power on the platform, are taking out the little juice that is left to Steem. Possibly the price may rise, due to a natural dependency with btc, but the market capitalization ranking, which is the one that matters, will not go up. Honestly this hurts me, because I love this platform and dedicate too much time of my live, promoting the Spanish-speaking community. And it seems ridiculous that you increase the profits to those who have more and that you take earnings from the content creators. What investors are going to come, if this platform no longer has content to be voted on? And fewer content creators are going to exist with the HF21.

On the other hand, I don't understand how you continue to pay a salary to the person who "does" marketing, because it is non-existent. Steemit DOES NOT HAVE MARKETING. That of the organic growth, after two years, was a total failure and you would have to fire him. He missed a unique opportunity in these two years and I think it was one of the biggest failures of Steemit Inc. And it is clearly seen on Twitter, where EVERYONE publishes with Medium. In a world where marketing is voracious, this person wanted to grow organically? Please, what are you doing that doesn't fire him?

I repeat, it hurts me to write this, because those who knew me on the platform, know what I did at the time, but with everything you are doing, I have no other option than to despise human beings who have power here. Steemit will be a pleasant memory, I'm happy with it, but here it ends for me. I hope I'm wrong and can return at some point, but I see it impossible. You (Witnesses and Steemit Inc) killed this platform by inoperability.

12.07.2019 00:28
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I agree partially, but also disagree on some points.

Definitely the things Steemit Inc did wrong in the last 2 years could fill an entire "how to not do blockchain business book". And I also do agree that parts of the share for DAO could come from the author pool.

But I don't believe that the "posts" on this platform is the most important thing Steem has. Unless you can show me any post on this blockchain which ever went viral and got reach far outside of our own community.

I believe that Steem has to become a Blockchain for applications and slightly move away from having "blogging" being the main business model.
Because the number one thing which allows Steem to maintain value is applications and not authors.
Tell me anyone who invested into Steem to be able to upvote their favorite authors. I don't believe you will find any significant quantity for that. People have to be incentives to invest into Steem for resource credits to run their applications on top of it. Where Steemit should only be one on them.

Apps like Splinterslands show the possibilities there are on this front.
Unfortunately the economic model is broken for too long and these economic changes in this hardfork maybe too late. But, at least it is a step forward finally.

12.07.2019 01:11
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When you only have a "solid" product (Steemit.com), you have to develop that product. You can not put energy into something (Dapps) if your most important product is a disaster. Who will invest in Steem, if Steemit.com, its main product, is falling apart?

Be successful with Steemit.com (too late for this) and maybe I or any investor, could possibly invest in Steem.

12.07.2019 01:21
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The main problem is that I don't believe that it is possible to have a decent way to make Steemit sustainable.

1) People are selfish
2) People will abuse the system, especially in anonymity

How will you incentive many people to invest into a coin where a huge share goes to some blog writers and a big part of them are going to use selfvotes and other shit to get the maximum out of i? And if you want to get some extra profit out of your steem power you gotta do the same.

I believe that the economic proposal goes into a way where it might improve the Steemit experience, but fixing it? I'm not sure that is possible at all.
The curation increase will incentive voting other people more and thus incentive people to invest in Steem Power.
The rewards curve will make it more important to use bots but if you use bots and don't provide great content your content is going to be downvoted which is going to make bot abuse much more difficult.

Steem as a blogging platform is a highly experimental social experiment, and I'm not sure it can succeed at all. It's something we may find out with tons of trial and error.

But Steem as a platform for developers for Dapps, that is easy. Steem is easily the Platform with the easiest onboarding for new developers and with the help of cheap rpcs and resource credits + fast transactions it is very inviting to build your app on top of this blockchain. Especially with delegation markets which allow you to rent steem power more short term to get started it allows super easy onboarding without any commitment.

That's why MIRA was so important and that's why SMTs are going to be important too.
(Even though they might be badly late).

12.07.2019 01:38
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I understand you. You are looking from the developer's place and possibly you are right. Maybe what you mention may bring investors. I'm not a developer and I do not know how easy it is to build an app in Steem, Eos, RSK, etc. I know the basics.

From the side of the investor, and talking about the SMT. Giving two launch dates and not fulfilling them, is another BIG failure. Trust, in this world is everything and you can not make that mistake as a company.

But Steem as a platform for developers for Dapps, that is easy. Steem is easily the Platform with the easiest onboarding for new developers and with the help of cheap rpcs and resource credits + fast transactions it is very inviting to build your app on top of this blockchain. Especially with delegation markets which allow you to rent steem power more short term to get started it allows super easy onboarding without any commitment.

Please, tell the marketing guy that he has to let the world know about this...

12.07.2019 01:53
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I completely agree with you on this, this year is the first year I am starting to trust in Steemit Inc since they are starting to deliver and showing better communication. Let's hope they will keep that up.

And I agree, one end they definitely have a lot to learn yet is in marketing. Because that's something steem and Steemit are missing completely.

12.07.2019 02:01
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@raycoms if under word marketing you mean to promote Steem to bigger audience, than I totally agree. Another thing are tone of dapps, and coins under steem, floating all over. All exchanges, working with steem, games, news, new developments... Where are those in one place to show them to new members? It's not hard for me or anyone else who is here on Steem for longer period. will you say to new member to make speeddial group with all 72 steem links? I doubt it

13.07.2019 22:09
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that's your poisoned world view - believing that "people are selfish" and therefore we need some kind of authoritative police force that is going to make sure people are restricted from being selfish - that will just cause organism to die.

12.07.2019 02:40
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Unless you can show me any scientific publication which proofs that people are inherently altruistic and are able to organize themselves in non hierarchical systems I am forced to believe the current state of the art believe.

People are selfish, they only care about themselves and getting the best out for them, at any cost and the entire blockchain eco system with all the scams, manipulations and worse while there are no "enslaving authorities" is my proof.

12.07.2019 02:49
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People can be selfish and the economic pie can still grow. There is no reason to have a shrinking pie unless you are doing something wrong. You think people working in company X are doing it out of altruism?

12.07.2019 08:08
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Now, I never said that the economy has to shrink out of selfishness. But what will happen is that if the economy grows, who will get the extra are going to be very few at the top.

12.07.2019 11:50
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people are programmable - so whatever the mind-control system of the moment wants - people are - unless they awaken and do their shadow work. Oh and there are plenty of enslaving authorities in the blockchain.

15.07.2019 18:39
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What guarantee is there that the proposals will actually produce some ROI in the form of a higher market cap for Steem? Just having a proposal system means nothing if there isn't any growth. Is Steem going to be burned?

12.07.2019 08:07
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Now, the Proposal System is supposed to take care of initiatives as development and marketing. So we have to hope that the investment into these things will have a higher return than the actual investment.

12.07.2019 11:50
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yeah people turned out to be so selfish. It is out survival instinct hardwired in.

13.07.2019 10:10
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I agree! Sad - it's because we live in a hierarchical slave system and each individual would have to raise their consciousness in order to get out of it - so everything that is created on earth, in this mindset -will become another hierarchy until people give up delegating authority and give up the idea of fiat currency and give up the idea of haves and have nots and get out of religions like money, and belief in kill or be killed and self-preservation - all that - until then - everything humans create on earth will turn to shit because of the poisoned world view of humanity.

12.07.2019 02:38
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Yeah, let's go back to tribalism and the law of the nature. Nothing better than living like monkeys! Wondering why you are still here and not living in the subsaharian jungle under exactly those laws.

12.07.2019 02:51
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I am still here to stand up for NATURE to AI like you.

12.07.2019 17:25
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To what? People like me? People who see the flaws in our nature and try to find progressive solutions which don't resolve in a bloody civil war? En contraire to people who idealize our weak nature?

12.07.2019 17:27
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I think you perhaps misunderstand. I live by NATURAL LAW - Do unto others as I would have others do unto me. Cause No Harm. That is the LAW of Nature. The laws of steemit seem to be the laws of the hierarchy in which some believe they are the authority. There is no such thing as a human authority to delegate power to. As long as we live in this paradigm, all things we create will end up in the hierarchy. Me personally, I would prefer to go back to a time when we were more hominid than the satanic self-preservation mindset we currently are in. At least at that time we lived in alignment with Nature instead of now where we are living by nihilism.

12.07.2019 19:37
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Sorry, but the law of nature is eat or be eaten and the strongest prevails. The nature itself balances itself out usually but in general it is that. We have countless examples of lack of mercy, brutality and hierarchies in nature. And, if you are able to tell me any time in human history where we lived in alignment with nature in a non hierarchical setting, please tell me.

12.07.2019 19:40
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That is a poisoned world view provided for you by your owners - I suggest perhaps giving this a watch:

12.07.2019 20:25
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There are no flaws in nature, only flaws in the way humans perceived flaws in nature! People are like a virus! Maybe not all but the rotten ones that can’t be changed.

13.07.2019 10:07
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my bad mixed up ngc and gtg this am, was in a rush, will fix!

12.07.2019 07:17
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So dam true even i wish it changes or else everything will be history...wish for the best.

12.07.2019 05:34
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double negative:

"le! I don't understand how you don't t"

I totally agree, take it from @themarkymark, that punk is making tons of extra sp every time I check with that witness! Seriously Steemit is missing the markymark here, pardon the pun!

12.07.2019 08:06
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"Unveliebeble," or whatever, indeed! I'm just playing... wanted to start out with a joke.

You don't listen to the voice of the community

Actually, many of the ideas contained within this hardfork come from the community, we just don't all agree on everything.

COME ON! Do you think we are stupid?

I doubt they think we're all stupid. Some of the hysteria I'm seeing as of late looks kind of silly but I'm not interested in calling people names like, silly heads, or something that starts with f combined with heads. That's an odd question though. Most professionals, even if they did think people were stupid, probably wouldn't say, "Yes."

But now, I consider myself completely out of Steem, because the only thing that witnesses and Steemit Inc do, is go against what the community wants.

I assume the community would prefer people stick around, especially through hard(fork) times. I know I don't like seeing so many of you freak out and have your I'm leaving party. It's unfashionable to quit, regardless of what you think everyone else is doing. What's left after all this madness are the tough ones willing to help build a strong foundation, which helps when it comes to community building. I'm both a content creator and curator. I plan to stick around to see what happens. I actually want to see what's it like having more people step up to the plate and help out around here. I want to see if they'll actually do it. The success of these changes depends on the community, so if all fails, at least we can stop yelling at a few people working for Steemit, and start pointing those fingers at ourselves. That'll be interesting to watch.

The content creator that keeps publishing, is not going to say this, because they would lose votes.

That was kinda low. If you think I support some of these changes just for votes, you're insulting my integrity, and I can't say I appreciate that. I've been here for nearly three years and never once gave a crap if I lost votes over something I said, and I've said some cuh-razy shit. And I've also been a really nice guy! ... but not for votes. What the hell do you think we are here?

take earnings from the content creators.

No matter what percentage is taken away, I'll still get 100% of what's mine.

What investors are going to come, if this platform no longer has content to be voted on?

They can vote for my stuff. I won't mind. Read this when you get a chance:
https://goldvoice.club/steem/@nonameslefttouse/the-business-of-blogging-and-how-to-take-over-the-world

It'll blow your mind.

it hurts me to write this

I honestly appreciate your honesty. You're passionate. That's a good sign. You have no idea if you're right or wrong, just like I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but you say it anyway, because that's how you feel.

despise human beings who have power here.

Aww, and now you broke my heart. It's 26000 SP too much to be your friend? I can change!

Just messing around again.

I hope I'm wrong and can return at some point, but I see it impossible.

Just take a break, quietly. I've watched so many of you folks blow a fuse. What's worse? The hardfork, or this irrational reaction to something that hasn't even happened yet?

So many are throwing this Greed word around. Who's going to look greedy after saying, "I QUIT! You're all greedy!" Then some time passes, the smoke clears, the dust settles, people are earning again, doing well, and those who said everyone is greedy suddenly show up again to start earning some money...

Anyway. Good luck to you! See you after the hardfork. ;)

12.07.2019 11:33
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intriguing!

12.07.2019 16:21
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incredible!

12.07.2019 17:09
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You make a lot of really great points, @nonameslefttouse.

What's left after all this madness are the tough ones willing to help build a strong foundation, which helps when it comes to community building.

This, I think, is extremely important, and more emphasis should be applied to the contribution strength and perseverance have in community building.

The success of these changes depends on the community, so if all fails, at least we can stop yelling at a few people working for Steemit, and start pointing those fingers at ourselves.

I don't quite understand how it would be completely our fault if we have little control over the changes that are made to the blockchain? I definitely see things like Steem-Engine and front ends helping to give more power to the individuals who aren't devs of Steemit Inc or witnesses, but is it enough power to be sustainable or will it become another playground for abuse/gaming the system? I truly don't know, though I'm deeply intrigued.

If you think I support some of these changes just for votes, you're insulting my integrity, and I can't say I appreciate that.

Agreed completely. I'm right there with you in saying some bizarre things, heh. I have come forward (not in posts, but in other public forums) totally disagreeing with some of these changes, and argued fervently. @tincho, your passion is obvious, but don't allow it to blind you! Not everyone is silent who remains.

So many are throwing this Greed word around. Who's going to look greedy after saying, "I QUIT! You're all greedy!" Then some time passes, the smoke clears, the dust settles, people are earning again, doing well, and those who said everyone is greedy suddenly show up again to start earning some money...

Damn. lol

12.07.2019 20:21
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I don't quite understand how it would be completely our fault if we have little control over the changes that are made to the blockchain?

They can hardfork the platform but can they hardfork our brains? I guess it's about taking lemons and making lemonade. I broke it down really well in this post but just know there's sometimes a difference between me talking here and me on stage. Don't let something like the title scare you away. No matter what they change, it's still up to all of us to make things work.

13.07.2019 01:50
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I see that you’re 100% against bidbots, as am I, but what is your stance on curation teams and delegating to such? I think one fix to the fork, done by the community, would be curation teams redistributing the increased curation rewards to authors. Thoughts on this?

13.07.2019 17:39
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Concentrating SP into fewer hands could lead to more rewards next to the post, but fewer eyes on the prize.

I'll often see curation teams earn far more on their daily update post which highlight what has been voted for than what the posts earn for receiving votes from said curation team. Without mentioning names, I can say there's one that'll come sprinkle many votes on my post for a total of about 20 cents. So there's many accounts without eyes, not paying much, then announcing the fact they were there, but I think it's an automated message. So in this instance if they could clean up their act and make it look like less of a ruse, I'd probably support it.

In general though, I don't have a problem with any in existence today and do respect their efforts if they're acting responsibly.

Delegation, in general, I'm not a fan of. I can see it being beneficial to large stakeholders but when I'm seeing small accounts all concentrating wealth into fewer hands, we then lose our market. I'd sooner perform in front of a sold out theater than in front of a table of representatives.

13.07.2019 20:28
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nobody even cares about this imaginary hf! wtf is taking it so long?

13.07.2019 10:09
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Thanks for saving me time by writing this. Here's an upvote.

13.07.2019 11:08
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It's funny how it's the ones that have been afk for most of the bear market making the most noise, lol.

14.07.2019 09:51
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Many of the most frustrated seem to be parroting. It would be difficult to understand the entire scope if one hasn't been around to experience first the problems, then the steps leading up to all of this. I was gone for awhile but nothing had changed when I got back, except it was a lot quieter around here. I think I mainly missed the talking in circles part.

14.07.2019 10:33
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Very talented discourse... Thanks for a pivotal moment to just keep Steeming Forward!

14.07.2019 13:53
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@tincho

The content creator that keeps publishing, is not going to say this, because they would lose votes.

@nonameslefttouse

That was kinda low. If you think I support some of these changes just for votes, you're insulting my integrity, and I can't say I appreciate that.

I actually cringed at this, because I think it’s was fairly obvious that @tincho wasn’t singling you out, so, your integrity still remains intact.

I love Steemit, it has literally given me a new life, in another country with the girl of my dreams, so, I’ll be forever grateful, but it is too hard to watch what is happening here. So, every few months when I feel so nostalgic that I click my Steemit bookmark, I have to quickly avert my eyes, so I don’t get depressed.

There is a level of honesty that is lacking on Steemit and everyone knows it, most of us censor ourselves or we run the risk others censoring us with flags. Steemit should be a killer app, it has the reward pool that opens up cryptos to everyone, so why are people leaving?

The reward pool has been hijacked by vote bots that are funded by the largest investors in the platform and this is reflected on the trending page. It’s like watching the captain of the Titanic as he sells off all the life boats and then then begins stripping the steel sides of the ship to sell to pirates, while in the middle of the Atlantic. It’s absolutely insane and gut wrenching to watch, so, I rarely click the Steemit bookmark anymore.

Anyways, good luck with HF21, I hope it's a good one.

15.07.2019 15:22
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Obviously I knew he wasn't singling me out.

Now you're making me cringe.

15.07.2019 15:35
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You know... If you're not doing anything later... We could cringe together.

15.07.2019 15:48
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I kinda like to cringe alone. If you know what I mean.

15.07.2019 15:51
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Fine, be that way!

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15.07.2019 16:10
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You'll get over it.

15.07.2019 16:19
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Giving up is not a solution. As you noticed, the top 20 witnesses are still not on board.

Stay positive and continue what you do best, create more empowering content. At the end of the day, we are still small fish in the ocean trying to survive.

I've seen the ups and downs of steem community, experienced mostly down but I continue to press forward. That's the only way for us to evolve, improve and become a stable community.

Cheers for now.

12.07.2019 13:56
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My philosophy of life : Appreciate simple things, enjoy the silence, be always positive.

Source

Someone seems to have lost their Positive Vibrations. 😆

12.07.2019 14:37
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How come your last post was written 11 months ago? How come you don't take advantage of Steem Engine tokenized tags, such as palnet, neoxian, steemleo, etc? They will by far outweigh the reduced author rewards. Come back to Steem because 11 months ago things were very different.

13.07.2019 09:37
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100% agree. Steemit is an tragic example of missed opportunity. And what little of it remains, continues to slip through our fingers.
I have given 2 years of my skill and time, for tokens I've been powering up, that are now worth about $200. That is heartbreaking when I see SPAM POSTS on this site pulling in that much, every day! I've contributed massive amounts of valuable unique exceptional content, and got almost nothing in return. Even worse, I moved all my crypto holdings into STEEM to "put my money where my mouth was", and powered up $5000 USD worth. Now that $5000, with interest collected, is worth under $300.
Now they're saying the management and insiders need more of my money? LOL
By abusing the content-creators they ensured this blockchain would fail.
There were only a few thousand of us hanging on, and only for the hopes that something good might be coming. Now that we know it isn't.... numbers will dwindle rapidly.
And people are selling STEEM for anything else, as fast as they can. :(

13.07.2019 20:55
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Im not against bidbots. The 50/50 rule is not that great. But if you were here at 9 cents keep on doing what you do we need you. But we need investers we need more steemflow. The bidbots are doing that but instead of opting them out welcome them in. Like facebook do. Do it like facebook Pay steem to earn a place in the trending page of users with the same interests between the posts without the bidbots.

This will attract more investers local businesses great events and the rise of steem.

14.07.2019 06:59
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Want to put out something that should work towards getting anyone interested to test various functionality: https://goldvoice.club/steem/@eonwarped/testnet-testing-tools

Testnet condenser with keychain!

12.07.2019 03:09
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Thank you for testing, I will try again if a bit, could not get it to work last night before bed, so will try again in a couple of hours.

12.07.2019 16:27
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@steemitblog,
!trendotoken

Cheers~

12.07.2019 06:14
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Hope Hf21 will improve things unlike how some people saying it is more disaster with falling price of steem. As in comments @tincho said, steemit also need more improvements with more friendly interface. I hope you people again consider and discuss about 50/50 with witnesses.

12.07.2019 10:56
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Every time the price is down people complain in the comments. It seriously doesn't matter what is written in the update post.

12.07.2019 12:28
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Considering one of the witnesses is a fraud who uses Nathan Fillons picture, this coin is a joke.

Removing @themarkymark as a witness would be the first step in improving this platform.

12.07.2019 14:27
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i agree that fake nathan makes my life here very difficult
he is a “bd actor”
why is everybody so blind to this fact? like we don’t exist aymore???
like we’re not good enough to help outwe are real people even better than most of these i would assume!
how long are they just going to let them abuse us real people, not sure what the point is. seems like all the greyed out comment people are the ones with something they are missing, and we are rminders of that sso they get rd if us! marky is a psychopath!?”

13.07.2019 10:21
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14.07.2019 03:02
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YUP!

14.07.2019 04:57
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Today made an update to Steem Proposals UI. You can check how SPS system can be viewed from a perspective of an ordinary person - https://goldvoice.club/steem/@dmitrydao/steem-rproposals-ui-is-live-on-testnet

12.07.2019 15:30
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Cut the Chord. Quit Discord.

12.07.2019 22:08
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This turns users away....

steemit frontend is SLOW, laggy, and I don't know why I am still using it.


@justyy - the author of https://SteemYY.com

13.07.2019 00:19
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Yeah, I'm not happy seeing that delay screen for 10 seconds, many times throughout the day. Waste of time, and unnecessary to be repeated so often.

13.07.2019 21:07
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This is a temporary security measure due to a denial of service attack. Somebody doesn't want you accessing the site at all and this is a response to that attack.

15.07.2019 14:50
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Maybe read some reddit comments. That should give you a clue...https://goldvoice.club/steem/@alexs1320/what-reddit-users-think-about-steem-it-summer-2019

13.07.2019 10:21
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스팀잇재단한테 바랄것도없지만 좋은 아이템 이런식으로 운영하지 않았음한다. 제발 운영능력이 안되면 법인회사에 팔았음한다. 네드님 추해진다. 이상

13.07.2019 10:37
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please post test reports and tech details as requested in the article :-)
As you might understand when thinking about it, testing is important and a smooth HF21 will help all of us.

Spare the rest of the world that complain-crap here. Vent at another place. :-(

13.07.2019 12:06
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Hf21 hope that everything improves, the truth is that I do not know anything about programming, but it seems fair 50/50 no less if a content is original, it is understood that a witness has invested money there and has to win. Many people use steemit to round out the salary that is chaotic in venezuela, stay tuned to the news. @steemitblog, @gtg and @timcliff

la esperanza Hf21 de que todo mejore, la verdad es que no se nada sobre programación, pero parece justo 50/50 no menos si un contenido es original, se entiende que un testigo ha invertido dinero alli y tiene que ganar. Muchas personas utilizan steemit para redondear el sueldo que esta caotico en venezuela, seguire atenta a las noticias

13.07.2019 16:43
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Until Steemit gets rid of all flags/downvotes, it is nothing.

13.07.2019 21:17
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Is there a date when will that be?

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14.07.2019 08:15
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I hope so that next HF 21 will not stop whole platform for a days. Anyway move into 50/50 rewards is a good move, more people now uses tokens and there on diffrent platforms are less author rewards and nobody have problem with that. Many people just want buy more tokens, becuase is more easy to be a whale on a specific tag. I just wonder that in the future can be possible to have a slider to use specific vote power from diffrent platforms!

14.07.2019 14:14
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Late to the party but...

I am not enthusiastic or hopeful concerning certain aspects of this fork with specific emphasis the convergent curve.

I suspect it will have decisively negative impact on @steemflagrewards abuse fighting operations. I fully anticipate our ability to cultivate our abuse fighting community to be severely impacted and degraded. We take incoming flags all day and now they are going to be given out for free.

I have voiced dissident views on this matter in various places. Nevertheless, I will test for the sake of my community and deliver the results to them.

Without decisive support from you @steemit, I don't see how the SFR community project will be worth the time that so many dedicate of themselves to #cleansteem.

As an engineer, I find difficult to rationalize how much time I put into this project that gives users hope only to have that dashed by a selfish whales with ulterior motives.

Perhaps, I am wrong and such will be made apparent during my testing. I intend to determine our groups loss in compensation and evaluate the viability of contuing our group efforts or securing this blockchain against the bane of token manipulation.

As stated, I am a system engineer and worse come to worse, we will prepare for a contentious hard fork.

I must make it clear. That's not a threat. It's just we have come so far to have our legs cut our from under without any support from Steemit Inc. I understand that the fork or more or less inevitable and I'm doing what I can to mitigate and prep in a part time volunteer capacity. (Now with my token $20 Utopian vote every week or so. Good I can buy a pizza or something if I wanted to power down that is. I don't)

I am more than happy for us to continue and actually that is the preferred but we need help.

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15.07.2019 05:09
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