LOW-LIFE DOWNVOTING MEMBERS


Unfortunately because of low-life members like the following, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn promoters, and other such low-life human beings (for lack of a better word) with high-reputations, and more money (to buy steem power) than brains.

@buildawhale)  -  77.6
@buildawhale (AKA @quarantine (AKA @block-power)  -  61.2
@mack-bot  -  58.8
@block-power / AKA @block-power (AKA @quarantine)  -  25.0
@steemcleaner  -  1.07
 and others. 

Please help by filing complaints with the following organizations, as I have done, and which may also assist in getting your money back from this illegal ponzi scheme.

 The Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/?utm_source=takeaction#crnt&panel1-1   
 The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)
https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx   
 The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/cyber   
 The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
https://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/claims.htm   

Good Luck!



Comments 187


What specific crime are you reporting?

04.02.2020 17:13
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That Steemit is essentially run as a ponzi scheme, since it is virtually impossible for the average member to make any money despite claims made that it pays curators for their upvotes. What Steemit does not clearly explain, is the fact that unless members invest in a significant amount of Steem in order to gain a lot of Steem Power, and on top of that, have a reasonably high reputation, they will receive virtually nothing from all their upvoting efforts. This is exactly what happened to me. I invested approximately 800 steem, and with over 1000+ upvotes, it netted me a grand total of less than 25 cents. Nowhere in any of Steemit's documentation does it state that the average member will receive nothing, despite their ongoing investments and efforts. Furthermore, when a member wants out, he has no facility to get his investment back, other than wait a ridiculous 13 weeks (1/4 of a year) for power down to take place. And those facts are where the crime is, and that is what will be investigated.

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04.02.2020 18:07
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While I agree with most of your assessment, I'm not sure I would personally call steemit a "ponzi-scheme" (nobody promised you'd double or triple your money in a short span of time).

Steemit does seem unfair and misleading, but it's apparently no more unfair or misleading than the true scam we're all born into (fiat currency).

04.02.2020 18:47
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Thanks for your reply!

"I'm not sure I would personally call steemit a "ponzi-scheme""

A "ponzi scheme" is any scheme in which you invest money, and by its design, essentially provides no chance of ever making a return on that money, despite claims to the contrary. Steemit claims you can make money by curating posts, whereas in reality, the vast majority of Steemit members can not and will not do so.

"(nobody promised you'd double or triple your money in a short span of time)."

While it's true that nobody promised that you can double or triple your money, Steemit does claim that you can make money by curating other authors' posts. In reality however, that is simply not the case for most members. Steemit does not state anywhere that the chances of making any money at all, is fully dependent upon both making a significant investment, and on having a relatively high reputation rate. Those 2 facts will immediately eliminate the vast majority of Steemit members. Only a very small number will invest the amount necessary (if any), and gaining a high reputation is next to impossible when you have so many unethical members who are constantly downvoting members with lower reputations than themselves, for no reason at all in the vast majority of cases.

04.02.2020 19:07
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A "ponzi scheme" is any scheme in which you invest money, and by its design, essentially provides no chance of ever making a return on that money, despite claims to the contrary.

By that definition we'd have to include purchasing a home (most can't sell for a profit), paying for a college education (most never pay off their student loans), starting a small business (90% fail) and investing in the stock market (90% lose money).

04.02.2020 20:28
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No, that is not a correct analysis. First of all, no offer is made in any of the above scenarios that the purchaser will actually make money from their investment, and in all the above cases, the purchaser actually receives value for their investment.

Investing in Steemit on the other hand is made with the claim (assumption) that those investing will make money from their investment. Yet by the very design of Steemit, it ensures that the vast majority of investors will never make any money, with the bulk of the rewards going to only a very select members at the top. That makes Steemit a classic definition of a ponzi scheme.

Feel free to contact the FTC or the FBI and ask them. If you tell them the whole truth, they will tell you exactly as I have.

04.02.2020 23:49
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First of all, no offer is made in any of the above scenarios that the purchaser will actually make money from their investment

The kid paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a college education has certainly been told they will be able to at least double their ROI.

Feel free to contact the FTC or the...

Ok, ok, I get that you're upset, but you should be able to get at least most of your "cash" investment back after the 13 week cool-down.

Maybe you lose 10%? It's no riskier than investing in stock-market-securities.

I know people who lost $30,000.00 (and more) when Washington Mutual Bank was dissolved.

WTF is the FTC doing about that?!

05.02.2020 14:41
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"The kid paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a college education has certainly been told they will be able to at least double their ROI."

Perhaps, but at least the kid got the education for his money. That has to be worth at least something, if not doubling their ROI.

"WTF is the FTC doing about that?!"

The main difference is that Steemit "is designed" to scam the vast majority of members by offering them something that Steemit does not or can not deliver on. That is different that a bank failing. The bank was not setup or designed to specifically scam its customers. Also, most banks have (or should have) deposit insurance which will compensate customers to certain limits, in the event of a bank failure. No one should ever put their money in any bank that does not have such insurance.

05.02.2020 15:31
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The bank was not setup or designed to specifically scam its customers.

You don't seem to understand how fractional-reserve-banking works.

It's the mother of all ponzi-schemes.

Click to watch 28 minutes (or just the first 5 minutes),

Also, most banks have (or should have) deposit insurance which will compensate customers to certain limits, in the event of a bank failure.

None of the customers of Washington Mutual Bank "lost their deposits", those were all transferred to the behemoth Chase Manhattan Bank.

It's the people who had their retirement funds and 401k heavily invested in WAMU STOCK who lost their shirts when it went to ZERO with basically no warning.

This is exactly the type of "investor protection" scenario the FTC uses to justify their existence (oh, we must have someone looking out for investors). AND they just stood by and did NOTHING.

05.02.2020 18:36
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"It's the mother of all ponzi-schemes"

No, fractional-reserve-banking is NOT a ponzi scheme, simply because customer deposits are insured. As such, customers are not at risk of losing their money. Investing in a bank (or other company) as a shareholder is a different issue. That is governed by the SEC, NOT the FBI.

05.02.2020 19:09
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No, fractional-reserve-banking is NOT a ponzi scheme, simply because customer deposits are insured.

Hoo-boy, I almost forgot about the INSURANCE SCAM.

Do you realize that the FDIC has nowhere near the cash-money-dollars it would take to payout $10,000.00 per depositor? If even a single big bank truly went belly-up, the FDIC would be instantaneously flat-broke.

Have you ever heard of AIG?

Do you know who they sold insurance to?

Spoiler alert, they sold insurance to the worlds largest insurance companies (and AIG went broke).

That's a ponzi-scheme. If you promise people their money, but don't actually have enough money to pay them (if only 10% of customers close their accounts and cash-out, the bank is done-for) then you're running a ponzi-scheme.

05.02.2020 19:32
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The FDIC is an agency of the Federal Government. In reality, it can never go broke. All FDIC insured accounts will get their money back in case of a bank failure. That's the whole point, and that is not by any means a ponzi-scheme.

05.02.2020 19:42
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The FDIC is an agency of the Federal Government. In reality, it can never go broke.

It can however, run out of "cash-on-hand".

Why do you think they went insane printing money in QE1, QE2, QE3, QE4?

Did you know we're currently in an "unofficial" QE5?

05.02.2020 21:23
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"It can however, run out of "cash-on-hand"."

That is true! But as we know, it does not take long to start up those printing presses. Of course that it not a good thing because it simple deflates the value of the dollar. The alternative is of course to borrow more money, and that is perhaps even worse in the long run, depending on where we borrow the money from.

PS. Speaking of money, thanks for delegating the voting power. I shall try and manage it wisely. :)

05.02.2020 21:54
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I've been lucky enough to find at least a handful of people who seem reasonable and willing to engage in civil conversation.

If I undelegate at some point, don't take it personally, I probably just have other priorities demanding my attention.

05.02.2020 22:01
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All FDIC insured accounts will get their money back in case of a bank failure.

This is only "true" technically. If they actually handed out that much cash, inflation (liquidity) would be through the roof and your cash-money-dollars would be next-to-worthless.

05.02.2020 21:25
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It would only be a ponzi scheme if the bank was originally setup to take deposits, with no intention of ever returning them, or ever paying interest on them as advertised.

But that's exactly what a BANK does.

You accrue interest on paper, but the bank never has enough capital to cover that paper.

A few people can get out ahead (just like a casino, even Bernie Madoff had a few customers that withdrew huge profits), and by doing so "prove" that "the system works", but just like a casino, they eat you up with fees, and they'll even hold your funds if you try to withdraw any amount greater than a couple thousand bucks (the "Bank Secrecy Act" makes this even worse).

That's actually one of the most attractive aspects of steem (and crypto generally), namely that I can send tokens of value to whomever I wish, whenever I wish.

Notes on the Bank Secrecy Act,

It has been amended several times, including provisions in Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act, which amended the BSA to require financial institutions to establish anti-money-laundering programs by establishing internal policies, procedures, and controls, designating compliance officers, providing ongoing employee training, and testing their programs through independent audits.[4]
WIKI

05.02.2020 21:35
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"You accrue interest on paper, but the bank never has enough capital to cover that paper."

That is true, but aren't a lot of things setup that way? Technically they have no means to fully comply with their obligations at any given time. And that reminds me of fitness clubs. Take your local fitness club for example, that can perhaps facilitate 100 or so members at any given time, yet those clubs will often sell 1000s of memberships. Imagine if all those members showed up at one time!!! :)

05.02.2020 22:05
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Take your local fitness club for example, that can perhaps facilitate 100 or so members at any given time, yet those clubs will often sell 1000s of memberships. Imagine if all those members showed up at one time!!! :)

Good example.

I believe there have been some proposals to keep clubs from charging a customer if they don't show up for 31 days.

If your business model relies on charging people for ZERO services, you are running a scam.

05.02.2020 22:17
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"If your business model relies on charging people for ZERO services, you are running a scam."

But isn't that exactly what Steemit is doing? What benefits (or services) do the vast majority of Steemit members gain from their investments? I would venture to say...Nothing! No other significant public forum requires members to invest money in the platform. True, you can get most of your money back, but only after waiting a total of 13 weeks, and only then if the value of your Steem investment does not drop significantly before you have a chance to trade or cash it in.

Is Steemit a a ponzi-scheme? Perhaps! Different people no doubt have different views on that.

Is Steemit a Scam? I believe that it is because the vast majority of members do not fully understand what the platform entails, primarily because that is not clearly explained for the layman to understand. Sure the facts may be embedded somewhere within Steemit's FAQs and so on, but as I am sure you will admit, they are not spelled out in plain for most to understand, and certainly not for those whose first language is not English.

Is Steemit an unethical business model? Absolutely! Most certainly! There may be no other platform like it, and I think that is for good reason. First of all, no honest person or company would ever develop a system like Steemit has done. It just would not happen! And secondly, it is simply not a sustainable business model. You can;t keep paying out money (no matter how small) without incoming revenue. Even Steemit has been forced to admit that with it's near bankruptcy last year, and the layoff of 70% of its staff, and other cost cutting measures, such as drastically reduced payouts and so on.

06.02.2020 00:10
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But isn't that exactly what Steemit is doing? What benefits (or services) do the vast majority of Steemit members gain from their investments?

Permanent web hosting.

06.02.2020 14:10
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"Permanent web hosting."

Not at all! As long as the vast majority of Steemit members can have their posts downvoted and hidden, and their reputations ruined by a few slimballs, nothing is permanent. Steemit offers absolutely nothing of value to anyone except to a very select few at the top of the pyramid.

06.02.2020 14:19
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Even if your post is heavily downvoted and your rep is (-77), your posts can still be viewed.

Nobody can erase them, they're coded into the blockchain.

06.02.2020 14:55
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That may be true! But without a positive reputation and significant SP, your votes mean nothing, nor can you ever make even the smallest amount of money.

06.02.2020 15:37
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You can't make money with upvotes, but there are other ways to make steem-money. People run a lot of contests, photography, creative writing, that kind of stuff.

06.02.2020 15:47
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"You can't make money with upvotes, but there are other ways to make steem-money. People run a lot of contests, photography, creative writing, that kind of stuff."

None of those things will work under Steemit's current system design.

06.02.2020 16:16
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No other significant public forum requires members to invest money in the platform.

No capital investment is required.

No other significant public forum offers free permanent web hosting and 100%transparency (blockchain FTW!!).

Sure you can get downvoted, but you know who did it.

If you get flagged (insta-banned) on yo.tube or fa.cebuk or pa.ypal, you have ZERO recourse.

ZERO. You don't know who did it, you have no way of asking them, and you have nobody to request help from.

06.02.2020 14:16
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Oh please....

"No capital investment is required."

Sure there is! Without an investment in Steem, there is virtually nothing you can do on Steemit.

"No other significant public forum offers free permanent web hosting and 100%transparency (blockchain FTW!!)."

Neither does Steemit! "free permanent web hosting" is totally useless if you have zero reputation, and your posts and comments keep getting downvoted and hidden. That is not free web hosting! As for 100% transparency...So what? Knowing something is not a solution, nor is there any mechanism at Steemit to find and carry out a solution once the problem is known.

"Sure you can get downvoted, but you know who did it."

Knowing who did it makes little if any difference, as long as nothing is done about it, and they are allowed to continue downvoting, hiding posts, and ruining reputations.

"If you get flagged (insta-banned) on yo.tube or fa.cebuk or pa.ypal, you have ZERO recourse. ZERO. You don't know who did it, you have no way of asking them, and you have nobody to request help from."

And what recourse do the vast majority of members have on Steemit? ZERO!
Have all those members I listed who are engaged in little more than downvoting other members been removed from the Steemit platform? I didn't think so! So where is the recourse? There isn't any!

06.02.2020 14:40
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Without an investment in Steem, there is virtually nothing you can do on Steemit.

You can easily identify users with high-rep and post thoughtful comments to get their attention.

I've actually been very impressed with high-rep users responsiveness.

I've received several non-boilerplate replies from ura-soul, crypto.piotr, themarkymark, and even gooddream.

Socky and me-tarzan even gave me MASSIVE upvotes!

06.02.2020 15:04
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"You can easily identify users with high-rep and post thoughtful comments to get their attention."

Perhaps, but I find that even the most positive of comments rarely get votes from high-reputation authors. They simply do not engage in upvoting those with lower reputations than themselves.

"I've actually been very impressed with high-rep users responsiveness."

Then, congratulations! You are indeed the exception to the rule. As I stated above, it is very rare that higher reputation members will ever upvote those with lower reputations than themselves...very rare indeed. It simply does not happen very often.

06.02.2020 15:43
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Ok, maybe "easily" was a bit of an overstatement.

It's a roll-of-the-dice, but your odds are way better than any casino.

06.02.2020 16:11
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Have all those members I listed who are engaged in little more than downvoting other members been removed from the Steemit platform?

That's the beauty of the blockchain. Nobody can be banned. Nobody can stop you from sending or receiving direct transfers or delegations of steem.

Your bank can flag you and freeze your account (real cash-money-dollars) at any time and for any reason, they don't have to explain it to you and they don't even have to charge you with a crime.

Pa.ypal can also kick you off their platform (permanently, they have your ID) and freeze your funds for 6 months and nobody can even ask why.

06.02.2020 15:09
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"That's the beauty of the blockchain. Nobody can be banned."

No, there is no beauty in that! In fact, the fact that nobody can be banned is one of the biggest flaws with the Steemit platform. Without the ability to ban abusers, Steemit is turning into a cesspool of undesirable activities, not the least of which is all the porn that the system is attracting, all of which is a huge deterrent against finding new members, at least those with reputable standards.

"Your bank can flag you and freeze your account (real cash-money-dollars) at any time and for any reason, they don't have to explain it to you and they don't even have to charge you with a crime."

That is simply NOT true! There are many safeguards in place to prevent that from ever happening, at least with any kind of a reputable bank.

"Pa.ypal can also kick you off their platform (permanently, they have your ID) and freeze your funds for 6 months and nobody can even ask why."

I fully support PayPal and what it does...it is by far the most widely used and without exception, THE safest payment gateway on the planet, bar none.

06.02.2020 15:54
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"Your bank can flag you and freeze your account (real cash-money-dollars) at any time and for any reason, they don't have to explain it to you and they don't even have to charge you with a crime."

That is simply NOT true! There are many safeguards in place to prevent that from ever happening, at least with any kind of a reputable bank.

It is 100% true, I've seen it with my own eyes. And it was a "reputable bank" (if there even is such a thing) one of the "too-big-to-fail" banks. They cited the Bank Secrecy Act.

I couldn't pay rent or buy groceries or gas for two full weeks.

Put that on your list of things you'll never see in the MSM.

"Pa.ypal can also kick you off their platform (permanently, they have your ID) and freeze your funds for 6 months and nobody can even ask why."

I fully support PayPal and what it does...it is by far the most widely used and without exception, THE safest payment gateway on the planet, bar none.

They permanently ban people for no reason.

Pa.ypal is one of the biggest ponzi-schemes on the planet earth.

If you are currently using pa.ypal, I'd recommend exploring a backup-plan in case you get insta-banned with zero notice.

06.02.2020 16:07
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"They permanently ban people for no reason."

PayPal does not ban people for no reason! There is always a reason, and usually a good one, even though the PayPal member may not like the reason. This is something that I have been very closely involved with for almost 20 years. I have seen all kinds of complaints, and upon investigation, found that it was not quite as the complainer initially claimed.

From experience, I have found that there are always two sides to every story, but that it is somewhere in the middle that you will eventually find the truth.

06.02.2020 16:25
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First of all, no honest person or company would ever develop a system like Steemit has done.

What would be your wish-list of key design features if you had the resources to design your own social-network with exchangeable value-tokens?

06.02.2020 15:14
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Build a system where...

  1. Articles cannot be downvoted by others, regardless of reputation. Allow only upvoting of articles and comments. That way the articles with the most votes will truly be the best articles. As it now stands with Steemit, there is no correlation between an article's quality and the net votes it receives since downvoting by high-reputation members carry such a huge weight.
  2. Have all votes carry equal weight. Votes of a higher-reputation members should not carry more weight than those of lower-reputation, simply because reputations on Steemit are bought rather than earned. That is a major flaw with the Steemit platform.
  3. Have curator payouts equally divided among all curators, and not simply favor those with higher reputations and more steem power.
  4. Ban porn completely from the site, as does Google, Facebook, Instagram, Seeking Alpha, and all other reputable platforms. Allowing porn degrades any platform to the point where most members will simply abandon it. It's just a matter of time.

...there are many others I could give, but I think you can get the point form those. Steemit is simply not an enjoyable or desirable place to be, and will likely not survive much longer regardless of the success of the Steem blockchain or Steem coins.

06.02.2020 16:11
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Porn is completely from the site, as does Google, Facebook, Instagram, Seeking Alpha, and all other reputable platforms. Allowing porn degrades any platform to the point where most members will simply abandon it. It's just a matter of time.

What enforcement mechanism would you propose?

06.02.2020 16:39
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"What enforcement mechanism would you propose?"

The same mechanisms that other platforms use: A combination of bots and member flagging/reporting, and of course the ability to actually remove the post, NOT just hide it.

06.02.2020 16:44
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How is flagging superior to downvoting?

I've had pages get flagged by competitors for the sole purpose of sabotaging me.

Even big yo.utubers complain about getting demonetized (even temporarily can be a big deal if it keeps you off the trending and recommended lists) by bogus flags.

06.02.2020 16:48
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"How is flagging superior to downvoting?"

Downvoting has an effect on member reputations, and can actually cause articles to be semi-hidden.

Flagging on the other hand would have no effect on the member's reputation or the status of the article itself, until such time as a neutral body reviewed the article to see if in fact should be removed. If the post was in fact against stated terms and conditions, then removal of it would take place, and with perhaps a warning sent to the offending member. Perhaps after 3 such warnings, the offending account would be terminated.

06.02.2020 17:05
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...until such time as a neutral body reviewed the article to see if in fact should be removed.

There it is. Where can we find one of these mythical "neutral bodies"?

06.02.2020 18:03
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Articles cannot be downvoted by others, regardless of reputation (sounds good but we need some enforcement mechanism to remove scams and illicit material).

All votes carry equal weight (this should be a no-brainer, but we would need some sort of automated "proof-of-brain" and protection against people controlling hoards of sock-puppets).

Curator payouts are equally divided among all curators (lowering the minimum payout to 0.001 steem and removing the "timing" bonus would fix this).

Good ideas!

06.02.2020 16:45
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"but we need some enforcement mechanism to remove scams and illicit material"

Yes, we would need the ability to actually remove posts, not just hide them.

"but we would need some sort of automated "proof-of-brain" and protection against people controlling hoards of sock-puppets)"

That could be accomplished by limiting the number of votes any member can make within a given time period, and perhaps even start charging steem to menbers who go over a certain limit. It would also be a good idea to limit memberships to only 1 per person. This can be easily accomplished in a number of ways, such as through the tracking of IP addresses, Google 2FA Authentication, and so on.

06.02.2020 16:55
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"but we need some enforcement mechanism to remove scams and illicit material"

Yes, we would need the ability to actually remove posts, not just hide them.

Who would make such a decision? And how would you mitigate the damage potential of a "rogue mod"?

I heard an interview with a fa.cebuk flag-checker recently, they were paid a fractional wage and worked from the Philippines. They said that they were so overworked and borderline traumatized from viewing all the horrendous flagged content, and under pressure to review 1000 flags a day, that they ended up just clicking "denied" repeatedly on all their cases.

06.02.2020 17:57
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"Who would make such a decision? And how would you mitigate the damage potential of a "rogue mod"?"

Such decisions are easy to make (by anyone) if the parameters for violations are clearly defined. First of all, rogue mods would be quickly terminated once a pattern of abuse becomes evident, then to mitigate the damage from a rogue mod, compensate the victim in some manner, perhaps at the expense of the offending mod. Secondly, if the bots are programmed properly, there would be almost no need for mods in the first place. Both Google and Facebook have incredibly sophisticated systems for identifying and removing posts which violate their terms of service. i.e. When was the last time you saw porn on Google or Facebook? Rarely, if ever does such posts get past their respective bots. Of course, I realize that few if any platforms, can possibly expect to match the sophisticated systems utilized by Google or Facebook, but if the desire is there, it can be vastly improved over what it is now.

06.02.2020 18:41
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Rarely, if ever does such posts get past their respective bots.

Yeah, but that New Zealand shooter, "subscribe to pootiepie" video took them several days to clear out... AND they're literally rollin' in cash-money-dollars.

Yo.utube BY ITSELF is raking in more profit than either VIACOM or COMCAST.

06.02.2020 18:58
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Such decisions are easy to make (by anyone) if the parameters for violations are clearly defined.

What are your "clearly defined violations"?

4 minute story about fa.cebook moderators

06.02.2020 19:02
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"What are your "clearly defined violations"?"

Virtually anything that you want to include in your terms of service, provided that it does not violate some existing law. i.e. You can't set up a public forum, and restrict members from certain ethnic or religious backgrounds from participating. That being said however, I think it's rather clear that many of the forums do that exact thing, but of course, you will not find it in their terms of service.

06.02.2020 19:12
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Virtually anything that you want to include in your terms of service,

You're going to need to be slightly more specific.

Are you familiar with the difficulty of defining pr0n?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Venus

06.02.2020 19:42
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The Birth of Venus
The Birth of Venus (Italian: Nascita di Venere [ˈnaʃʃita di ˈvɛːnere]) is a painting by the Italian artist Sandro Botticelli, probably made in the mid 1480s. It depicts the goddess Venus arriving at the shore after her birth, when she had emerged from the sea fully-grown (called Venus Anadyomene and often depicted in art). The painting is in the Uffizi Gallery in Florence, Italy.
Although the two are not a pair, the painting is inevitably discussed with Botticelli's other very large mythological painting, the Primavera, also in the Uffizi.

06.02.2020 19:42
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"Are you familiar with the difficulty of defining pr0n?"

Yes, I realize that! But that should not mean that since "porn" is not easily defined, we should simply ignore it. We have to start somewhere, otherwise it will become so prevalent, that it will not be safe for any minor to turn on any device connected to the internet or to a cellular network. Unfortunately we are getting very close to that point, which no doubt, has already had a major negative impact on today's youth.

Closing our eyes to the problem of "porn" will not make it go away. On the contrary, it will only make matters a lot worse. And if we allow some porn, arguing that it is simply an art form, as some do, how long will it be before there will be those who will be favoring pedophilia, claiming that it too is an art form? Imagine if it was your son or daughter who was being molested by some pervert. There is no time like the present to take action (no matter how small) to help wipe out this sickness.

06.02.2020 20:23
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...which no doubt, has already had a major negative impact on today's youth.

Ah, not all functioning cultures are frightened by the mere sight of a human body.

06.02.2020 20:31
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Imagine if it was your son or daughter who was being molested by some pervert.

I'm pretty certain molestation is a crime, quite distinct from "p0rn".

And I'm also pretty certain molestation is not a new crime.

I've even... Let me find a citation for you,

Here we go, now, don't blame me for this, I'm only interested in the science,

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault

06.02.2020 20:38
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More downvotes from the slimball @themarkymark! He sure seems to get his back up whenever I mention anything against Porn or Pedophilia.

themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58spm (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58sid (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58t8h (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58j46 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58imn (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58foh (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q57rs0 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q57dj0 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q57cau (-1%) 42 minutes ago

And to think this scumball is a Steemit Witness. What a real piece of garbage he truly is.

Can Steemit do nothing to terminate his account?

06.02.2020 21:03
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That's not really how this works.

Steemit is just an interface.

Steemit could completely go out of business and the steem blockchain would still be accessible from any number of alternative interfaces, like steampeak or busy.org

Marky is a witness, the top 20 witnesses have control of what changes/fixes/updates are made to the functionality of the blockchain.

The witnesses host major nodes.

There are hundreds of witnesses, so even if you sent the top 20 directly to jail, the steem blockchain would still work just fine without them.

Marky is basically like a Senator, or a justice on the supreme court (if there were 20 justices).

You might consider trying to ease back on the ad hominem attacks and accusations.

I've spoken with Marky several times and they seem generally reasonable.

And really, nobody can stop them. So, you're kinda digging your own grave.

Your only chance at all is to try and reason with them calmly.

06.02.2020 21:16
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"Marky is basically like a Senator, or a justice on the supreme court (if there were 20 justices)."

And that speaks volumes as to the cesspool that Steemit has become.

"Your only chance at all is to try and reason with them calmly."

From experience, I have found that it is impossible to reason with vindictive people like @themarkymark, just like trying to reason with Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Chuck Schumer, or in fact most of the Democrats. They all live in their own little world, devoid of reality or of fair play.

"So, you're kinda digging your own grave."

Not really, because I'm out of here as soon as my power down is completed. I want no part of anything controlled by such jerks, and I think you will find that most Steemit members, past and present, feel exactly the same way.

06.02.2020 21:30
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Eh, ok.

If you got banned anywhere else, you wouldn't even know their username.

And I'm not one to be "judgy", but, calling someone a ped0 is, you know, I don't wanna say, "asking for it", but maybe a little?

What were you hoping to accomplish?

06.02.2020 21:40
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"And I'm not one to be "judgy", but, calling someone a ped0 is, you know, I don't wanna say, "asking for it", but maybe a little?"

I did not call @themarkymark or anyone else a "ped0". If you think I did, show me the actual post.

06.02.2020 21:53
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That's apparently what you're getting downvoted for.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@themarkymark/q5aqii

06.02.2020 22:01
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Maybe this is just some big misunderstanding..?

06.02.2020 22:03
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This is to the line that @themarkymrk is referring to...

"Unfortunately because of a few scumbags like the following members, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage."

I fail to see anywhere in the above statement, or in the post from which it was extracted, where I actually called @themarkymark a peadophile. Perhaps English is not his first language, but for @themarkymark to think that statement specifically referred to him or anyone else is merely an assumption on his part, but with absolutely no basis in reality. And yes, after @themarkymark brought this to my attention, I even edited my post, taking out the word completely so that there would be no further misunderstanding. But yet, despite my effort to correct this misunderstanding, perhaps due in part to how I structured the sentence, @themarkymart chose to stick to his childish ways and continue to downvote all my posts...even ones which were part of our exclusive dialog which as you know had absolutely nothing to do with @themarkymark or Pedophilia. That is not fair play...that is simply uncontrolled revenge built on hate.

06.02.2020 23:00
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"Maybe this is just some big misunderstanding..?"

You think so? I find it rather interesting that even as we have been engaged in this dialog trying to get to the bottom of this, @themarkymark has been busy downvoting even more of my posts. And you really think that you can reason with someone like that? Not in a million years! These people are evil to the core, with no sense of fair play. They are truly the scum of the earth.

06.02.2020 23:35
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"Maybe this is just some big misunderstanding..?"

Do you honestly think that the downvoting of my 2 most recent posts by @themarkymark and his sidekick @roomservice was also a misunderstanding?

Please look at following posts, and tell me if either of them has violated some rule, unkown to me, or has in any other way justified the continued wrath of @themarkymark and his various puppets.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@starworld/ripple-bags-another-partner-intermex-for-latin-america-and-caribbean-corridor

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@starworld/introduction-to-cryptocurrency

Thanks!

07.02.2020 15:32
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Marky thinks you called @buildawhale a ped0.

Do you have no idea why they might think this?

07.02.2020 17:14
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"Marky thinks you called @buildawhale a ped0."

What Marky "thinks" has no basis in reality. If you look back through my posts, I do not think you will find anywhere that I called @buildawhale a ped0. In fact, my only reference to "Pedofile" was in my quote that @themerkymark referred to: i.e.

"Unfortunately because of a few scumbags like the following members, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage."

Would you please point out exactly where in the above statement, oranywhere else that I specifically called either @themarkymark or @buildawhale a "Pedofile". Furthermore, immediately after this was brought to my intention, and in the interest of a possible misunderstanding, I edited my post, removing the word "Pedofile" completely.

In any event, I find it rather interesting that neither of these 2 members appeared to have taken issue with any of the other descriptive words I used, such as "porn lovers", "low-life garbage", "scumbags", "scumballs", "idiots", "morons", "childish", "fraud", "corruption", "cesspool" and so on. I am sure there are those who will begin to think that there is much more to this than meets the eye.

07.02.2020 17:40
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@steemflagrewards please consider reviewing this case.

It appears to be a gross misunderstanding.

What Marky "thinks" has no basis in reality. If you look back through my posts, I do not think you will find anywhere that I called @buildawhale a ped0. In fact, my only reference to "Pedofile" was in my quote that @themerkymark referred to: i.e.

"Unfortunately because of a few scumbags like the following members, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage."

And the offending word has been removed from the post.

07.02.2020 17:52
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I just received 2 more downvotes from @themarkymark and his sidekick @roomservice.

roomservice downvote @starworld/steemit-abusers-even-a-steemit-witness (-1%) 49 minutes ago

themarkymark downvote @starworld/steemit-abusers-even-a-steemit-witness (-1%) 49 minutes ago

Again, I suspect there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. No normal person would ever act like the @themarkymark is acting. What a messed up individual! I actually feel sorry for people like him, that they can't find something better to do with their pathetic lives. Very sad really!

07.02.2020 20:47
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That is because you made a post that was designed to provoke a negative negative response from him!

07.02.2020 23:29
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"That is because you made a post that was designed to provoke a negative negative response from him!"

So let me get this straigh! Steemit allows the posting of virtually anything on its site, including pornography and other such filth. Yet if anyone speaks out against it, they are not only downvoted for that particular post, but the so-called Steemit "witnesses" are allowed to be as vindictive as they choose, go back and downvote all that user's posts and comments regardless of their content, and essentially destroy that member's reputation? It's no wonder that Steemit is quickly coming to an end as it continues to lose members faster than they join.

"If you don't want the flags, don't make posts like that, its simple"

Better still, like most Steemit members (past and present), I will be leaving the Steemit platform as soon as my steem power has been fully powered down.

08.02.2020 00:21
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Bye!

09.02.2020 05:22
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This twat literally logged onto a place he considered as a Cesspool to remark on what someone they grouped together with "low life scum" voted for, and they have the nerve to say that no normal person would vote like that, as if the reader is obvious to the insulting tripe that implicates those in "control" of steem as pedophiles and 'other such low life scum'. Fucking retards and hypocrites. What normal person doesn't think : let me check in on this cesspool of pedophiles just one more time and obsess over what others are doing, because I'm not completely retarded.

10.02.2020 06:07
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I think the point here is that if simple name-calling is a "crime" then all name-calling should be downvoted.

And on the other hand, if there "are-no-rules" and "might-makes-right", then JUST SAY THAT and stop pretending downvotes are "justified".

10.02.2020 14:04
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No, the point is that if you despise this place so much that you have to resort to levying baseless inflammatory accusations which amount to Child Rape/Abuse against the entire community and targeting large stakeholders specifically then you might as well simply stop coming to such a despicable place. It has absolutely nothing to do with downvoting, period.

10.02.2020 19:52
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While I tend to agree with you on this particular point, I do think it's important to maintain at least some tacit pretense of Uniform Standards of Evidence (USOE) regarding what constitutes a "violation".

10.02.2020 21:28
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And that's not an issue and can never be as everything is transparent and public. Right now the twat that called steem a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption controlled by Pedophiles is denying it, as if it's debatable in the least what was said on here.

10.02.2020 21:36
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More specifically they're denying calling morky and or boldawall SPECIFICALLY offensive names.

It wasn't presented as a specific accusation of a specific crime. It was a general insult.

For example, when Jesus threw the money-changers out of the temple, he called them "a den of thieves", generally.

He didn't single any specific person out and charge them with a specific, literal, actual, legal crime.

11.02.2020 13:39
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"It wasn't presented as a specific accusation of a specific crime. It was a general insult."

"He didn't single any specific person out and charge them with a specific, literal, actual, legal crime."

Exactly! But unfortunately our friend @baah has not yet learned the difference.

Let's say for example, as many have claimed, that Walmart is a very corrupt organization which exploits its workers by keeping wages low and limiting their hours, so that they (Walmart) can avoid having to pay any benefits. While that statement itself may or may not have any basis in fact, it does not in any way suggest that a specific employee, manager, director or shareholder of the company is directly or personally responsible for the exploitation of the company's employees, even if such exploitation is true.

As another example, a few years ago as I recall, someone bought some kind of a media device from Walmart for their kid, and upon inspecting it, found it to contain pornographic material. Therefore it would be quite accurate for anyone to state that Walmart was very irresponsible in allowing an obviously returned device to be sold to another customer without first checking it more thoroughly. Such a statement however does not in any way, shape or form suggest that a specific employee, manager, director, or shareholder of Walmart was to blame for this unfortunate incident.

Likewise, making the statement that Steemit is infested with pornography and other such trash is a non-disputable fact. But like the Walmart examples above, that statement does not in any way, shape or form suggest that a specific employee, manager, director, or shareholder of Steemit is to blame for what is going on at Steemit.

Now @baah and @themarkymark may very well disagree with this analysis, but regardless, I think they will find that any lawyer, or any other reasonably educated person, will totally agree with me on this one.

11.02.2020 16:19
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While that statement itself may or may not have any basis in fact, it does not in any way suggest that a specific employee, manager, director or shareholder of the company is directly or personally responsible for the exploitation of the company's employees, even if such exploitation is true.

Well stated.

11.02.2020 16:24
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Yes it not only SUGGESTS that because Walmart outside it's shareholders, executives and management doesn't exist but it claims that those that run Wal-Mart are exploiting their workers, even if it didn't directly say that "those who run Wal-Mart". Maybe look up the definition of Suggesting.

12.02.2020 23:12
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No, they denied even suggesting, not only specifically naming names. Heck they denied even suggesting By Any Stretch of the Imagination.

12.02.2020 23:15
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Downvoted to counter the curation rewards for such a detestable twat.

10.02.2020 19:54
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I'm pretty sure that was a below minimum payout vote.

10.02.2020 21:25
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"This twat literally logged onto a place he considered as a Cesspool"

I think I made it quite clear that I am still here only because I am waiting for my Steem Power to be powered down, so that I can withdraw it, and leave the Steemit platform, just as so many hundreds of thousands have done before me. Try changing the power down period to 4 weeks or less, and see how fast Steemit's few remaining members will leave.

10.02.2020 15:02
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lol yeah, get the fuck out of here, you're only here to slander the entire platform and everyone involved AS you power down. Only if you'd just make like a tree and leave.

10.02.2020 19:48
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Thanks again for your kind words, and for letting other members know how those who are suppose to be setting good examples, actually react to conflict. Words and actions like yours, especially when they come from someone who is suppose to have a higher reputation and set a good example, will do far more to destroy the Steemit Platform than I ever could. Thanks for helping to bring down Steemit!

10.02.2020 20:29
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They need to work it out between themselves, misunderstanding or not. There has to be a logical solution to this.

08.02.2020 14:55
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There has to be a logical solution to this.

You would hope.

10.02.2020 14:00
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You're literally vying to suggest that he is a pedo because he didn't refute all the previous slanderous accusations.

What Marky "thinks" has no basis in reality. If you look back through my posts, I do not think you will find anywhere that I called @buildawhale a ped0. In fact, my only reference to "Pedofile" was in my quote that @themerkymark referred to: i.e.

You then go to post the quote where you call those that still remain on Steem all names, including pedo. A cesspool of fraud and corruption....

God you are a fucking moron:

Would you please point out exactly where in the above statement, oranywhere else that I specifically called either @themarkymark or @buildawhale a "Pedofile".

Here is where:

I find it rather interesting that neither of these 2 members appeared to have taken issue with any of the other descriptive words I used, such as "porn lovers", "low-life garbage", "scumbags", "scumballs", "idiots", "morons", "childish", "fraud", "corruption", "cesspool" and so on.

And of course:

Unfortunately because of a few scumbags like the following members, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.

But let's agree to disagree, all those descriptive terms weren't meant for just anyone that remains on steem or control steem. You twat.

10.02.2020 05:58
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"You're literally vying to suggest that he is a pedo because he didn't refute all the previous slanderous accusations."

Nowhere in any of my posts does it suggest that he is a pedo. That is a false assumption that both you and he have made.

"You then go to post the quote where you call those that still remain on Steem all names, including pedo."

Not at all! There are many fine people on Steemit. I was only calling out the childish behaviors of those who are suppose to be setting positive examples for the rest of the Steemit members. Their very poor examples are simply driving people away from Steemit, not attracting people to it, which can clearly be seen by Steemit's rapidly falling membership numbers.

Here is where:"

You are wrong! Nowhere in my statement that you quoted does it show that "I specifically called either @themarkymark or @buildawhale a "Pedofile". Like, @themarkymark, you are making an assumption where there is really no basic in reality for such an assumption.

"And of course:"

Not at all! Read it again, this time more carefully....

My statement was "Unfortunately because of a few scumbags like the following members, Steemit's days as a viable forum are quickly coming to an end, because it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.'"

The above statement DOES NOT by any means call @themarkymark or any other member on my list a "pedo". What it is saying (if you read it correctly), is that by the actions (or lack thereoff by certain members as listed, it is turning Steemit into ".....a cesspool of fraud and corruption, controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage."

To be clear, there is a vast difference in calling someone a "pedophile" and simply implying that someone's poor actions may lead to such an outcome within a system. If you can't understand the huge difference there, then I would invite you to copy my quotes and have any English teacher, or even better, a Lawyer, explain them to you. They will all tell you exactly as I have, that there is absolutely no direct accusation within any of my statements, as you or @themarkymark have falsely assumed and implied. None whatsoever!!!

10.02.2020 14:54
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You're a twat idiot and here is exactly where you make suggestive indications you moron:

I am sure there are those who will begin to think that there is much more to this than meets the eye.

See what you did you twat, maybe you don't understand basic English and are confused about what you suggested by, either way you're exemplifying twat behavior.

First you said:

In any event,

Clearly this says that even if you called those that control steem pedo, i.e. in the Event that you Did

I find it rather interesting that neither of these 2 members appeared to have taken issue with any of the other descriptive words I used,

Here you are suggesting that they somehow are ok with those things you Called Them, things you Called Them as clearly exemplified by referring to any one and Every One that identifies as 'controlling Steem':

'controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.'

And then you go on to list all the things you deem interesting that they, as far as your twat retardo self knows or cares, 'appears' to not have taken issue with,

such as "porn lovers", "low-life garbage", "scumbags", "scumballs", "idiots", "morons", "childish", "fraud", "corruption", "cesspool" and so on.

Then after that "quip" you suggest that what you deem interesting will surely elicit others to think there is much more to this (this being marky not taking issue with any of your other slanderous jabs)

I am sure there are those who will begin to think that there is much more to this than meets the eye.

See you twat. You're vying to suggest that they are any or all of those things by saying "there's more to not taking issue with any or all the other insults than meets the eye".

You clearly said that those who control steem are Pedophiles among other insulting and completely baseless attacks. Fucktarded you are.

Not at all! There are many fine people on Steemit. I was only calling out the childish behaviors of those who are suppose to be setting positive examples for the rest of the Steemit members. Their very poor examples are simply driving people away from Steemit, not attracting people to it, which can clearly be seen by Steemit's rapidly falling membership numbers.

Yeah sure

it has essentially turned into nothing more than a cesspool of fraud and corruption,

Speaking Directly about Steem and anyone and everyone involved.. Whack was idiot. You refer to Steem as

nothing more than a Cesspool of fraud and corruption

Then you target certain people after slandering the entire user base..

controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.

Yeah, only talking about everyone you consider as "in control of steem", nothing like calling the major stakeholders pedophiles and then denying it, acting as if there's nothing to even suggest that, let alone outright DECLARING that those who control steem are Pedophiles.

To be clear, there is a vast difference in calling someone a "pedophile" and simply implying that someone's poor actions may lead to such an outcome within a system. If you can't understand the huge difference there, then I would invite you to copy my quotes and have any English teacher, or even better, a Lawyer, explain them to you. They will all tell you exactly as I have, that there is absolutely no direct accusation within any of my statements, as you or @themarkymark have falsely assumed and implied. None whatsoever!!!

Yeah. You didn't directly accuse those in control of steem of being sexually attracted to children.

controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.

10.02.2020 19:42
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"You're a twat idiot and here is exactly where you make suggestive indications you moron:

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that my statement "I am sure there are those who will begin to think that there is much more to this than meets the eye." means that I am calling someone a pedofile? It seems to me that you love twisting words to the extent that they say exactly what your want them to say. That is simply twisted logic, with absolutely no basis in reality.

"Here you are suggesting that they somehow are ok with those things you Called Them"

Not at all! What I was (am) merely suggesting is that I find it rather interesting that of all the words I used to describe some people on Steemit (no one in particular), the word "pedofile" was the only word that anyone seems to have taken exception with. That is not in any way suggesting that they are ok with the other words, but merely that they did not object to any of them. Again, you are trying to twist my words to make them fit what you falsely believe was meant by them, or would somehow like them to imply.

"You're vying to suggest that they are any or all of those things by saying "there's more to not taking issue with any or all the other insults than meets the eye"."

That is your interpretation, not mine. Again, you are twisting my words to try and make them say something that they do not.

"You clearly said that those who control steem are Pedophiles among other insulting and completely baseless attacks."

No, I did not! That again is merely your false interpretation of what I actually said.

"You're a twat idiot"
"you moron"
"maybe you don't understand basic English"
"either way you're exemplifying twat behavior."
"Whack was idiot."
"See you twat."
"Fucktarded you are."

Thanks for showing everyone that you can't even engage in a normal one-on-one dialog with someone without resorting to profanity, name calling, and insults regarding that person.

As for what Steemit is turning into and the reason(s) why, I think its rapid decline attests far better to those facts than I could ever put into works.

10.02.2020 20:21
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That is not in any way suggesting that they are ok with the other words, but merely that they did not object to any of them.

That is exactly what it suggests, not objecting means, Silent Acquiesce.

You clearly said that those who control steem are Pedophiles among other insulting and completely baseless attacks.

No, I did not! That again is merely your false interpretation of what I actually said.

Sure you twat.

controlled by childish members, porn lovers, peadophiles, and other such low-life garbage.

Thanks for showing everyone that you can't even engage in a normal one-on-one dialog with someone without resorting to profanity, name calling, and insults regarding that person.

Yeah sure, You're Welcome, and you're only here because you cannot stay away from a place you detest and characterized as a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption which you think is Controlled by Pedophiles.

10.02.2020 20:42
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Perhaps we can just agree to disagree, because clearly you have not yet acquired the ability to engage in any kind of a meaningful discussion without using profanity, name calling, or the like.

By the way, I took a look at both your Steemit profile and your linked facebook Page, and I must say, that I was not at all surprised by what you wrote in either of those two places.

Under your Steemit profile...

User name: "Bah FucYou"

Your tagline: "Degenerate Scumbag"

Link to your facebook page: "https://www.facebook.com/bah.fucyou"

On Your Facebook page...

Facebook page link: "https://www.facebook.com/bah.fucyou"

Education: "EDUCATION da streets
Class of 2017 · School · Deep root problem solbing slobing slobbering slobber · Focus and Attention · Philadelphia, Pennsylvania"

My observation...

You are just a young kid who has not yet learned how to deal with himself, let alone deal effectively with other people. I wish you well.

10.02.2020 21:13
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Lmao. So you keep denying that you said that steem is a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption which you think is controlled by pedophiles and then try to make it about me, yet again.

10.02.2020 21:20
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"So you keep denying that you said that steem is a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption..."

I never said that "steem" was a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption. Clearly it is not since Steem is merely a cryptocurrency, not a forum platform. Yes, I know what you meant, but I hope that from "your" error, you too can see how words can quite often be misinterpreted.

As for the platform Steemit...yes indeed, I do most certainly believe that it has become a cesspool or fraud and corruption, and is controlled by all kinds of kinds of people, some of them as I suggested. But that does not by any stretch of the imagination suggest that any "specific" person is any of those things that I suggested (as you seem to think it does), nor does it suggest that "all" of them are (as you are also suggesting that I meant). With education and experience, hopefully one day, you will become wise enough to understand the difference.

10.02.2020 21:52
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I never said that "steem" was a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption. Clearly it is not since Steem is merely a cryptocurrency, not a forum platform.

Steem is Both. Damn you're confused.

As for the platform Steemit.

Steemit isn't a platform. Steem is. Steemit is ONLY a Front end of the Steem Platform.

I do most certainly believe that it has become a cesspool or fraud and corruption, and is controlled by all kinds of kinds of people, some of them as I suggested.

A suggestion is not Explicit or it ceases being merely a Suggestion and becomes a Declaration, an Assertion. You think that you suggested that steemit is controlled by Pedophiles, when what you did is to Assert, or Declare such, you confused and decidedly intelligence impaired imbecile.

I do most certainly believe that it has become a cesspool or fraud and corruption, and is controlled by all kinds of kinds of people, some of them as I suggested. But that does not by any stretch of the imagination suggest that any "specific" person is any of those things

I agree, you calling people pedophiles doesn't make them pedophiles. You seem to think that I said that you explicitly Expressing your idiotic nonsensical beliefs about Steemit and those that control it makes said idiotic nonthought opinions valid or true, or something to that effect. No you twat. You called people Pedophiles, you called Steemit a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption and controlled by Pedophiles. You made accusations nil any evidence implicating many people of crimes that in numerous places are a capital offence or incur a comparable punishment of life in prison, you then tried to deny it, and now you're claiming that you didn't even suggest by ANY stretch of the imagination that steemit is controlled by Pedophiles.

11.02.2020 00:08
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"Steem is Both. Damn you're confused."

Wrong! Steem is NOT both. They are two completely seperate entities. The only connection between the two is that Steemit is based on Steem's blockchain, and uses the Steem cryptocurrency for it's reward system within the Steemit forum platform.

STEEM is a cryptocurrency based on the social media and content-focused Steem blockchain, which was created on March 24, 2016 by Ned Scott and the blockchain developer Dan Larimer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steem

Steemit is a blockchain-based blogging and social media website, which rewards its users with the cryptocurrency STEEM for publishing and curating content, and is owned by Steemit Inc., a privately held company based in New York City and a headquarters in Virginia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steemit

"Steemit isn't a platform."

Oh really? Than tell that to the Steemit developers since you think you know so much more than anyone else does. Here is some info from Steemit's own FAQ.

"How does Steemit differ from other social media websites?
While most social media sites extract this value for the benefit of their shareholders, Steemit believes that the users of the platform should receive the benefits and rewards for their attention and the contributions they make to the platform."

https://steemit.com/faq.html#What_is_Steemit_com

"Declare such, you confused and decidedly intelligence impaired imbecile."

Nice! If you are not a little child, then why do you continue to act like one?

11.02.2020 00:56
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based on the social media and content-focused Steem blockchain

Do you understand that it says right here that it's a forum? Do you not understand the whitepaper where it Clearly says it's both Cryptocurrency and Social Media? Anyway.

Wrong! Steem is NOT both.

Steem is the Social Media Platform that rewards contributions with Steem, you twat. Steem is the brain child of Dan and Ned, both of which are/were Steemit. Steem is FOR EVERYONE, while Steemit is the Entity under the Discrete Ownership of certain individuals.

They are two completely seperate entities.

Steem is an idea. Steem is a protocol. Steem is the Platform that Steemit functions off of, and Steem is Still Developed By Steemit.

Steemit is the Group of Individuals that you are slandering. They are majority stakeholders, they are the Open Source Development of Steem, a transparent Ledger Based Forum where you are Immortalized for anyone to see as attacking them. You might have meant to talk about some hypothetical future you foresee but in actuality all you did is declare, not suggest, not imply or insinuate even, but plainly Stated that Steem is Nothing but a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption, not Just a Cesspool of Fraud and Corruption, or even a Cesspool with some decent people, but Nothing more than a Cesspool of Corruption.

You went and levied personal attacks though, this wasn't a hypothetical scenario, some future you forsee. You though, thought that removing Pedophile from the group of people that control the hypothetical future Steemit was so it wasn't as "descriptive" or whatever for your "vision" of Steem, even though you were intrigued by why they got attacked only by pedophile, not recognizing that what you expressed was not what you meant, and that in any case, the people that controlled Steem or Steemit were obviously the same ones in your hypothetical, so yeah you attacked the present stakeholders, everyone, by characterizing them as the worst of the worst, Pedophiles, in the foreseeable future.

The only connection between the two is that Steemit is based on Steem's blockchain, and uses the Steem cryptocurrency for it's reward system within the Steemit forum platform.

Lol .

11.02.2020 03:14
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You know these people you characterized as Pedophiles, the ones who own majority stake and develop Steem, you know they could have a case of defamation, and I wonder how you'll explain characterizing any future stakeholders as such without actually characterizing them as such, or in your words:

I do most certainly believe that it has become a cesspool or fraud and corruption, and is controlled by all kinds of kinds of people, some of them as I suggested. But that does not by any stretch of the imagination suggest that any "specific" person is any of those things

The nonsense is so thick with you.

11.02.2020 03:19
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Off topic, do you have any suggestions regarding porn on here or do you simply declare it intolerable or deem it completely deplorable and demand it's prevention? Or what, you twat.

11.02.2020 03:24
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"Off topic, do you have any suggestions regarding porn on here or do you simply declare it intolerable or deem it completely deplorable and demand it's prevention?"

Actually it is very much on topic...which in no small way, caused me to write what I did a few days ago.

In any event, I don't have a problem with those who wish to personally engage in porn. What I do however have a problem with on Steemit is two fold:

1) Porn related posts are suppose to be semi-hidden, requiring those who wish to see them, to click on the supplied link. While this would hide porn from those who did not wish to see it, it offers no protection for underage children who can easily click on those links, if for no other reason than curiosity; and

2) Some of the biggest abusers of porn on Steemit are not newbies as one might expect, but rather are long-time members with high reputations. Many of them openly post pornographic material without the usual "click to view" link, thus forcing "all" members to view it. And there is no way to stop this. You can't even effectively downvote those with higher reputations than yourself.

It would appear that you are not old enough, but if you were, how would you like your young son or daughter to have access to porn as easily as it is available on Steemit? I would bet that if you were indeed married with young children, you would have a much different view of Steemit than you now appear to have.

11.02.2020 03:46
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how would you like your young son or daughter to have access to porn as easily as it is available on Steemit?

Is this what you think, that Steem is for children? Or that steemit is for children? Or that either should cater to children, at all? Or that it should be a place where you let your children unsupervised?

I would bet that if you were indeed married with young children, you would have a much different view of Steemit than you now appear to have.

Don't waste your money on that, better you think about why you got the idea that this (Steem & Steemit) was for children, is it because you're a parent? Does that make sense at all, that once you have children, everything should be aimed at or about children, to the point that your responsibility as a parent end the moment that something doesn't cater to the children? You truly want your children in a place YOU THINK is controlled by Pedophiles?

12.02.2020 23:42
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"Is this what you think, that Steem is for children? Or that steemit is for children? Or that either should cater to children, at all?

I was not suggesting that Steemit was for Children...only that there are no real safeguards in place to prevent children from accessing the material on it.

"Or that it should be a place where you let your children unsupervised?'"

And how exactly would you propose to supervise children so that they cannot access such material, when virtually any tablet or phone can access the material nearly as well as with a computer? Clearly you do not have any kids, or you would not ask such a question, because you would already know that such supervision on all the different devices available to kids today is next to impossible.

It is no longer acceptable to allow sites to post as they will, forcing the onus on parents to protect their kids, any more so than it would be acceptable to sell a gun to a person with known mental problems, forcing parents to protect their kids and other loved ones from such people.

And while I fully support 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, Websites (and Gun Shops) should be forced to take these sort of things much more seriously, or else be shut down. They can no longer claim that it is their "right" to do as they please. As the great Ayn Rand said (paraphrased) "No right is valid if it infringes on the rights of others."

I Just hope that the Democrats never get into power again, or else we can all kiss our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights Good Bye, along with other things. Make no mistake about it, the Democrats will take away our guns and will censor free speech far more extensively than self-regulated restrictions (on the types of material we are talking about here) would ever be.

13.02.2020 00:33
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I was not suggesting that Steemit was for Children...only that there are no real safeguards in place to prevent children from accessing the material on it.

And there cannot be. This js exactly why you're a fucktarded twat. You expect that there exists a viable way to prevent children from accessing one of the most public places in the world: Steem.

And how exactly would you propose to supervise children so that they cannot access such material, when virtually any tablet or phone can access the material nearly as well as with a computer?

Easy. You block Steem. Or the internet. Or you get a Choice Parental Control Suite and learn how to fucking parent you twat.

Clearly you do not have any kids, or you would not ask such a question, because you would already know that such supervision on all the different devices available to kids today is next to impossible.

Clearly either you don't know jack shit about parenting children and the internet because almost any kid ought to tell you exactly what I said about Parental Controls. Also, you probably think Supervision means something other than being present and Supervising. Twat.

It is no longer acceptable to allow sites to post as they will, forcing the onus on parents to protect their kids, any more so than it would be acceptable to sell a gun to a person with known mental problems, forcing parents to protect their kids and other loved ones from such people.

This is why you're a twat, reason 53. You think that everything should cater to children and that parenting is simply Having Kids. No you twat. You are responsible for your kids, not the internet.

13.02.2020 00:53
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Since you either can not or will not control that foul mouth of yours, all dialog between us has now come to an end.

13.02.2020 01:14
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Sure, I called you a twat from the very first comment to the very last yet NOW is when you want to ragequit. It probably has absolutely nothing to do with anything else that I said, it's all because I keep insisting on calling you a twat.

13.02.2020 01:19
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How many people have you tried to talk to regarding porn posts not being Tagged NSFW before you declared that this place is run by Pedophiles, and do you seriously not know there's a mute option?

12.02.2020 23:44
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"How many people have you tried to talk to regarding porn posts not being Tagged NSFW before you declared that this place is run by Pedophiles, and do you seriously not know there's a mute option?"

I have tried contacting several people regarding the "porn" issue, and all resulted in zero response. In fact, as far as I know, you are the only one who has entered into any kind of a dialog with me on the subject.

As for the "mute" function, from what I can tell, that function either does not work, or else it is totally useless. If you search Steemit articles, you will find several posts asking exactly what the "mute" function does, and no one seems to know. So if you do, by all means, please share it will us. I am sure there are many besides me who would love to know.

13.02.2020 00:42
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Who exactly did you try to contact and please don't be a twat and be as forthcoming as possible you whack ass no parenting having twat fucktardoo.

13.02.2020 01:00
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Since you either can not or will not control that foul mouth of yours, all dialog between us has now come to an end.

13.02.2020 01:15
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I don't believe you. For some reason I think you aren't done yet, it probably has to do with the fact that you already lied that the only reason you're here is to wait on the power down, so I kinda expect the same lying bullshit from you, ya twat.

13.02.2020 01:24
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"Before you removed it"

I fail to see anywhere in the above statement, or in the post from which it was extracted, where I actually called @themarkymark (You) a peadophile. Perhaps English is not your his first language, but for @themarkymark (You) to think that statement specifically referred to you or anyone else is merely an assumption on your part, but with absolutely no basis in reality. And yes, after @themarkymark (You) brought this to my attention, I even edited my post, taking out the word completely so that there would be no further misunderstanding. But yet, despite my effort to correct this misunderstanding, perhaps due in part to how I structured the sentence, @themarkymark (You) chose to stick to your childish ways and continue to downvote all my posts...even ones which were part of an exclusive dialog with someone else, which as you know had absolutely nothing to do with @themarkymark (You) or Pedophilia. That is not fair play...that is simply uncontrolled revenge built on hate.

06.02.2020 23:08
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@themarkymark

Ok, let's have a truce!

  1. Remove all downvotes that you have given to me, and have all your fellow Steemit members do the same, restoring my reputation to approximately what it was before this ongoing battle began (~45).
  2. I will in turn delete or edit out (blank out) all posts or comments which I made regarding any of the issues which have been part of this ongoing argument, misunderstanding, or any other name you wish to call it.

Do we have a deal?

08.02.2020 13:54
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It would also be a good idea to limit memberships to only 1 per person.

This is a non-trivial problem.

Many users have access to hundreds of machines with unique ips and have the scripting resources to automate nearly undetectable sock-puppets.

The one thing they can't fake is steem. So, under the current system, they can't amplify their vote with multiple accounts (well, except for the free steem delegation and (25) rep that each new account automatically gets, which is sort of a problem of its own).

06.02.2020 18:02
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"Many users have access to hundreds of machines with unique ips and have the scripting resources to automate nearly undetectable sock-puppets."

Nothing is "undetectable" if you have the right software and skilled programmers to do the job. Take cellphones for example. They all have not only unique phone numbers but also unique IMEI numbers. It is therefore near impossible to setup multiple accounts using a single SIM phone, and even less so, if you were to require 2FA such as Google Authenticator.

The same can be done with desktop PCs or laptops. All you would need is software which detected both the user's IP address and the computer's hard-drive's serial number, and then match those to the member's account. Any attempt to login without this match, would be denied until such time as the user could show that he either changed computers or service providers. Once he did that, the new matching info would be recorded in his account, and the old info deleted.

06.02.2020 19:04
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All you would need is software which detected both the user's IP address and the computer's hard-drive's serial number, and then match those to the member's account.

Some people have access to hundreds of computers with unique ips and unique hard-drive serial numbers.

Yes, you can reduce the number of accounts operating from one computer (hypothetically anyway), but that's not what I'm talking about.

06.02.2020 19:38
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"Some people have access to hundreds of computers with unique ips and unique hard-drive serial numbers."

While that may be true, I'm not sure that such people would waste their time on Steemit (or any other forum for that matter), especially for the very small gains they would realize from their investment and effort.

06.02.2020 20:34
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I'm pretty sure they're not using their massive army of zombie machines EXCLUSIVELY for steem farming. They could probably do any number of things simultaneously while maintaining reasonable efficiency.

06.02.2020 20:48
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Indeed! Not sure if you saw my comment in the other thread, but @themarkymake is at it again...

He sure seems to get his back up whenever I mention Porn or Pedophilia.

themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58spm (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58sid (-1%) 42 minutes ago
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themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58j46 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q58imn (-1%) 42 minutes ago
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themarkymark downvote @starworld/q57rs0 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
themarkymark downvote @starworld/q57dj0 (-1%) 42 minutes ago
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And this scumball is a Steemit Witness. That sure doesn't say much for Steemit.

Can Steemit do nothing to terminate his account?

06.02.2020 21:06
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Marky is exactly like TRUMP, you can't get rid of him and he's not accountable to anyone.

And even if you did get rid of him, it would just move the next guy up a spot and they'd do the exact same things.

06.02.2020 21:24
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"Marky is exactly like TRUMP"

Actually I am a very strong Trump supporter. Thank god that someone like him actually had the guts to take on the establishment, and try and do what was necessary to help curb the very corrupt power of the Clintons' Democrats. I am also very confident that President Trump will be reelected in November, and that he will have 4 more years to complete his work, including a more right-wing Supreme Court, better 1st and 2nd Amendment protection, and so on, and so on.

06.02.2020 21:50
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...better 1st and 2nd Amendment protection, and so on, and so on.

That would be AWESOME!!!!!!

But doesn't his wife want to modify libel laws to make it illegal for professional reporters to say anything about her she doesn't like??

That kinda sounds like the opposite of free-speech protection to me.

06.02.2020 21:56
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"But doesn't his wife want to modify libel laws to make it illegal for professional reporters to say anything about her she doesn't like??"

Only if those things are not true!

"That kinda sounds like the opposite of free-speech protection to me."

Free speech does not give anyone the right to say or print things knowing that they are not true, claiming them to be factual.

06.02.2020 22:35
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Maybe I should have said, TRUMP is exactly like Marky, you can't get rid of him and he's not accountable to anyone.

06.02.2020 21:57
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Well to be honest from quite a while back when I got really pissed off, it's been quite a while and I don't remember the name but he developed that parley site, but he wasn't the only one involved at the time there was someone else, I did file a complaint with the FTC and before you can file a complaint they ask you what your complaint involves as they aren't going to waste their time filing reports that have no merit...at the end of telling him what my complaint concerned he thought it justifiable enough to take it. I asked him what happens next and he said they get sent out to all the federal and state agencies where they sit until the pile gets big enough that someone finally takes notice and does something about it. In other words when they make a big enough mess on someone's desk who finally decides to pick them up and do something about it. It's been I think well over a year now and I haven't heard back but that doesn't mean that someday isn't coming. For everyone they piss off that pile gets bigger.

As for your argument that people buy non essential things to bolster their chances your point isn't worth holding. People invest in those non essentials to bolster they chances at succeeding. If they do everything right as depicted they should be able to succeed. Failing that success no matter what they do with all the right tools and time invested then that becomes concerning as to why. Nobody should be left holding a dead fish because a system is stacked against them, which we all know this system is. The plain matter of fact is that until Steemit is brought under the governing laws the system will always be stacked because people (higher ups) make their own rules to abide by. I can give you one simple example right here, that being that under federal tax code Steemit has to give the names of all the people they pay more than six hundred dollars a year out to along with those individuals social security numbers or relevant tax ID to the IRS. I know this to be fact because as a landlord if I use a self contractor (which people who participate on this site are doing, self contracting themselves out for a return on profit) and I pay that person more than six hundred dollars I am obligated to report that to the IRS. We all know Steemit doesn't do that. But that's just one example of running rough. The last hard folk they did runs much similar to the complaint I filed which if someday if it ever gets looked it will only bolster the case that the system is designed in favor of the upper tier. Think logically about what they are doing, someone invest time in a system that says you with this much invested you are worth this amount in a vote, then they come down and say now you are totally worthless after one has done invested an incredible amount of time to get to not only where they were promised they'd be at to start but take away any gains you made by slashing your worth and handing it to the upper tier. Now take that same scenario and apply it also to people who invested their money. It just don't add up. Part of the problem is also the fact that a lot of the people invested here are based in foreign countries who may not have the same laws so they feel empowered to just slap anybody around who complains as they are basically untouchable. So it's quite a mess but over all that though is the fact it is a US based company, someone owns it and it's their job to figure out the mess. Will they ever be forced to?...I guess that will all depend upon whoever that person is sitting behind a desk gets tired of seeing Steemit complaints flying across his desk. I mean I really, really like to invest in Steemit, wholeheartedly, but not when the game is stacked against me.

06.02.2020 19:51
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...has to give the names of all the people they pay more than six hundred dollars a year out to along with those individuals social security numbers or relevant tax ID to the IRS.

That would only apply to exchanges of legal-tender.

Crypto is basically "World of Warcraft gold" (which is also exchangeable for legal-tender).

AND, I believe KYC (know your customer) laws are blatant violations of personal-privacy.

06.02.2020 20:06
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Which is also exchangeable for legal tender is what grabbed the guys attention explaining it to him. That gave my complaint legitimacy enough to file.the FTC)
https://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/testimony-virtual-currencies-oversight-role-us-securities-and-exchange-commission

07.02.2020 13:17
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I mean I really, really like to invest in Steemit, wholeheartedly, but not when the game is stacked against me.

I've found a better community here than anywhere else, and I really like the fact that nobody can get perma-banned by a rogue-mod.

Have you found a superior alternative?

06.02.2020 20:07
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As for your argument that people buy non essential things to bolster their chances your point isn't worth holding.

Please be more specific.

06.02.2020 20:11
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Companies like Amway or Avon were people become distributors there are products that you will need to start your business that are essential, other products you can buy, like samples to hand out, are optional but can enhance your business. So if someone was investing in the company, which they are when they buy a basic start up kit, find that they aren't making money even though they are selling product are told if you enhance your business you will sell more product because people will buy more product if they can sample it first but once you invest further you find you still aren't making money that's a indication that the company's practice's are geared toward the top tier and people are mislead by their practices. Now if let's say the company's top tier aren't making enough profit. They can raise prices but they can't cut into the lower tier's bottom line to do it, those people are invested, they have just as much right to have their investment protected as the top tier and the only way to ensure equal leveraging would be to raise prices. Same thing would have worked along the lines if I had invested that thousand dollars I was going to invest before the last hard folk. I would have invested upon the assumption that would increase my profit by making my vote for valuable. After I invested my money and woke up the day after the hard folk and found out I was back to being worthless that's highly questionable tactic especially since the hard folk gave the upper tier an advantage. I am just telling you this because, in my opinion, there may actually come a day that enough complaints get filed these practices will be what they look at. It won't be like they will write anyone a letter either whose complained and say we are looking into the company now. They'll assign someone within an internet fraud division to create an account to see how it operates, if they find that the complaints are justified then they'll file charges against the company and it will be at that point they notify complainants of their actions. These types of cases usually spiral into class action lawsuits usually with an attorney located within the jurisdiction where the charges get filed. But because the company is only a four hundred million entity compared to people like Bernie Madoff whose crimes amounted to billions then four hundred million dollar entity and their operation in comparison is small potatoes....it would take a whole lot of complaints to spark interest in how this crypto platform operates. Then there are the questions relating to the IRS, and the IRS does have rules when it comes to crypto's. People have to report their crypto earnings. At what level of earning I do not know as I usually do my own taxes and am not a tax consultant but I don't make enough here for me to worry about it anyway, unless of course I would fall under some rule that said "combined money made from investment, self employment, etc., then it would put me over the threshold of whatever was required as I do have other income as a landlord. Still the amount is so low that if they wrote a letter and said hey you got to pay taxes on that sixty dollars you made over two years I steemit I think I can handle that, even if I got a late penalty. Now if I was making several hundred dollars a year I'd be quite worried and making a trip down to the IRS office to find the answer...part of that answer may even be "well doesn't the company send out a 1099 or 10 something or another" which could possibly be required as I remember having to have done that back when I owned a business I contracted out space for self employment. Like I said I am not a tax person so I don't know all the applicable laws, plus federal law is different from state laws, etc., nor do I or would I even begin to imagine all the tax liabilities involved when it came to operating a crypto site. I do know that if I did I certainly would find out especially after it was ruled that crypto's are now under the same legal requirements that regular fiat falls under. Like I said this site is small potatoes in comparison but when people get pissed off they go looking for answers, just like I did when I got struck down over my articles on the APPICS, I filed a complaint with my state, it took them several days to get back to me and they said they don't consider voluntary participation on the site as employment and suggested I file a federal complaint because they do. By that time I wasn't as pissed off anymore and taking the time to file a complaint over the loss of a few pennies didn't seem worth the same time and effort it took me to complain then have to wait on the state. But none the less it's these moments that people get teed off about that make that complaint file get bigger out there waiting someplace. Just like if I had invested a thousand and loss it's value, I'd be lived enough to have spent days on the phone to every organization I could have found to file a complaint with. In the reality of it all is that the company doesn't get to determine what rules applies it the laws that apply. I am just speaking frankly to you bout it. Like no they do not have a right to allow people to go strike down money I already made regardless if it's pennies or not just because it's not in my wallet yet....I earned it, it's mine, same as if I worked Monday, Tuesday, screwed up on Wednesday causing a loss not to my hourly pay but to any incentive I may have earned over my hourly pay that day, but that's it....they can't take the hourly pay away, they can't take what you earned on Monday and Tuesday away, that is mine regardless if the company hasn't paid it out in a check to me yet....it really that simple. It will be a combination of all these little bullshits that finally come back to bite the company...and all it is going to take is one person from one of the state or federal agencies to get tired of seeing complaints with Steemits name on it come across their desk....who really knows that person or someone they assigned it to could be lurking about on here already....there sure have been plenty of people on here who have been that royally pissed off.

Like I said I am just having a frank discussion with you on it. I feel a lot of the issues don't get fixed because there are to many people on here from foreign countries with influence but they don't realize that someday the shit could hit the fan, it's all good they are making money off the site but someday the site could be forced to clean up it's act or get shut down...then where is that going to leave their investment?....more than likely frozen, it's assets distributed to all those who filed complaints over the years. I don't think it's unreasonable to say hey I am tired of people who get mad running over to my site and striking down hours worth of my work over it, you are mad about something I said the time to show your dissatisfaction was downvoting what I said not going over and taking everything I worked hard for all week, at some point I'd be really stupid to want to continue on under those circumstances. I can either file a complaint that may take years to resolve or quit wasting my time. I opted to quit wasting my time, keep my free speech rights intact by not allowing retribution and censorship of my post that had nothing to do with a comment or post I made. I may or may not write something in the future but I highly doubt I'll be putting all my eggs in a 7 day basket for someone to come steal from me.

I am just trying to be whole hardheartedly honest here. They really need to sit down and think before they make changes and stop letting foreign drivers influence that which ultimately looks good to them now but in the future they could find they lose everything over in a freeze out of their account because each time they strike out at somebody could be one more potential complaint that may be the complaint that that someone picks up and does something about because they are tired of seeing people complain about the same entity. I realize just writing this people will flee me, maybe downvote me, run over to my site and see what's there to strike down...but that's the whole problem not the answer. I'll save them the time and tell them there's nothing there and I am going to move on to do what this site said I am afforded, a censorship free platform and I am no longer affording them the opportunity to break that rule.

07.02.2020 14:55
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Phenomenal explanation.

07.02.2020 15:22
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Steemit does claim that you can make [fractions of fractions of pennies] money by curating other authors' posts. In reality however, that is simply not the case for most members.

Steem-power does pay out about 8% APR, + if you setup automatic voting to instantly band-wagon onto the top earners like gooddream and nonameslefttouse and steemcleaners, then you can even boost that up a bit.

It's not bad for a hobby, but almost nobody is "making a living" at this. I mean, last time I checked, gooddream was making about $500 a month in payouts (which is hardly lambo cash).

04.02.2020 20:35
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$500 is not a lot of money to make, but it would certainly not be bad for a small hobby. But let's be honest! What percentage of Steemit members make anywhere remotely close to that amount, and what percentage of Steemit members make nothing or close to it?

04.02.2020 23:56
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The overwhelming majority make less-than-break-even for the electricity they pay to run their computer(s).

I'm just pointing out that even those at the TOP aren't exactly "rollin' in it".

05.02.2020 14:34
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"The overwhelming majority make less-than-break-even for the electricity they pay to run their computer(s)."

Agreed! So what's the point? Is this whole Steemit thing really worth it, or are we all just wasting our time putting that $500 per month (or whatever) in the hands of those who really have no respect for the rest of us. Only a fool would do that. I think it's time to shut down Steemit for what it really is...a ponzi scheme.

"I'm just pointing out that even those at the TOP aren't exactly "rollin' in it"."

Point taken! But let's not forget that there are countries in the world where $500 a month would be considered a lot of money.

But regardless of how money is earned or allocated, one of the other main problems with Steemit is the fact that there is almost no original content posted. The vast majority of it is simply copied and pasted from somewhere else on the Internet.

05.02.2020 15:20
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But let's not forget that there are countries in the world where $500 a month would be considered a lot of money.

And that's probably where most of steem's potential growth lays.

05.02.2020 18:22
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"And that's probably where most of steem's potential growth lays."

Not really! They may be initially interested in joining Steemit to make money from curating articles, but as soon as they discover that it is impossible to do so, without investing in a lot of Steem Power, they will leave just as quickly as they come. Also, they will not have the money to buy a significant amount of Steem even if they wanted to.

05.02.2020 18:54
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I have seen a few charitable organizations on steemit trying to promote photography and other work by accounts from countries with wrecked economies.

05.02.2020 19:35
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...one of the other main problems with Steemit is the fact that there is almost no original content posted. The vast majority of it is simply copied and pasted from somewhere else on the Internet.

And I don't personally see a problem with that.

If people want to treat steemit as a sort of news aggregator, that seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Slashdot, FARK, GoogleNews, and actually most "news" sources don't post original content. They just regurgitate Reuters and the Associated Press.

Why do I care if it's "original" or not. I only care if it's interesting.

Although, I do find those on the almighty steemit "top trending" page to be pretty boring.

05.02.2020 18:27
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"And I don't personally see a problem with that."

While I might also agree with that, someone needs to tell some of Steemit's biggest members to STOP black listing members for posting such articles. Have you noticed just how many members have been black listed for that very thing? I would bet far more members than are now active.

05.02.2020 18:58
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Actually, the definition of a Ponzi Scheme is a fraudulent venture that lures investors and pays profits to earlier investors with funds from more recent investors. If they were asking us to pay some sort of membership fee from which the senior members were getting their rewards - this would be a Ponzi scheme. But when steemers choose to purchase more steam power that doesn't directly benefit those who joined before them or those that referred them. It actually benefits the buyers whose vote now weighs much more than that of a user with mere 15SP.

The best comparison is the online game. Those that are serious about succeeding (or winning?) do spend some of their money buying weapons and armor or whatever other tools they need - even though these tools are virtual and are worth nothing in the real world. Same thing here - people may wish to purchase some virtual power with real money and they may not get any material benefits from it, but this doesn't make Steemit a Ponzi scheme.

04.02.2020 22:50
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"But when steemers choose to purchase more steam power that doesn't directly benefit those who joined before them or those that referred them."

Sure it does! The whales benefit (earn) from investments and curating by the minnows for which they (the minnows) get paid nothing. Without so many minnows, there would be no whales.

"Same thing here - people may wish to purchase some virtual power with real money and they may not get any material benefits from it, but this doesn't make Steemit a Ponzi scheme."

I do not agree! People invest in a game solely for the Entertainment value that it provides. There are no other claims. People invest in Steemit, on the other hand, as a result of Steemit's claims to reward curators, and in the belief that they will actually make money, whereas in reality, they do not, or at least the vast majority do not. And that is what makes Steemit a ponzi scheme.

If rewards were shared equally amount all curators, that would be a much different issue. Likewise, if those members with higher reputations did not have any more downvoting power than lower reputation members, that too would be a much different issue. Downvoting other members simply because you do not agree with what they have to say, has absolutely nothing to do with maintaining a quality forum. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The quality of the Steemit forum is extremely low for that exact reason, because serious social media people will have absolutely nothing to do with a platform such as Steemit.

If Steemit was designed properly, it would have perhaps 100+ million members by now, but as it is, it has only managed to attract a mere 1 million, with less than 5% of those still active.

05.02.2020 00:33
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If rewards were shared equally amount all curators, that would be a much different issue. Likewise, if those members with higher reputations did not have any more downvoting power than lower reputation members, that too would be a much different issue. Downvoting other members simply because you do not agree with what they have to say, has absolutely nothing to do with maintaining a quality forum. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The quality of the Steemit forum is extremely low for that exact reason, because serious social media people will have absolutely nothing to do with a platform such as Steemit.

If Steemit was designed properly, it would have perhaps 100+ million members by now, but as it is, it has only managed to attract a mere 1 million, with less than 5% of those still active.

I agree.

05.02.2020 14:31
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The best comparison is the online game. Those that are serious about succeeding (or winning?) do spend some of their money buying weapons and armor or whatever other tools they need - even though these tools are virtual and are worth nothing in the real world. Same thing here - people may wish to purchase some virtual power with real money and they may not get any material benefits from it, but this doesn't make Steemit a Ponzi scheme.

Well stated.

05.02.2020 14:29
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Don't even get me started on the lottery or casinos...

05.02.2020 14:28
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I can understand you feeling any number of emotions in response to your experience here and I would have a ton of empathy for that.

I may even try to support your efforts to change the rules about dust payments (or any number of other issues) which I personally believe are working against building our user base.

But your request and list !
I would not support that kind of thing

Please help by filing complaints with the following organizations, as I have done, and which may also assist in getting your money back from this illegal ponzi scheme.
The Federal Trade Commission (FTC)
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/?utm_source=takeaction#crnt&panel1-1

The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)
https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/cyber

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)
https://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/claims.htm

04.02.2020 20:38
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"... which I personally believe are working against building our user base."

If we are to be honest with each other and with ourselves, I am quite sure that you realize that under Steemit's current design, its user base of active members will never grow beyond its current level, and if fact, will continue to decline as it has been doing over the past year. New members sign up. Perhaps they invest in some Steem, and perhaps not. But as soon as they discover that it is virtually impossible to make any money with the platform, they will want out as quickly as possible. The only thing creating the "illusion" of greater support, is the fact that it takes 13 weeks to get your investment back. Remove that barrier, and I am confident that you would find that Steemit would essentially become a ghost town overnight.

05.02.2020 00:06
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If Steemit became a ghost town overnight as you say and the price plummeted, I think that it would present a very real opportunity for growth.

it is virtually impossible to make any money

I agree, it is very difficult for small accounts to receive rewards. Even most of the votes we are awarded evaporate into the largest stake holders accounts.! The same as it happens in all Communist States.

We can moan and grown about how much the situation sucks for ever, and it will not make things better at all lol

We need to focus on what we DO want, not what we don not want.

So let me ask you the question:

What positive changes do you want to see?
Lets talk about that and find ways of getting closer to making that happen.

05.02.2020 04:00
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"What positive changes do you want to see?
Lets talk about that and find ways of getting closer to making that happen."

Fair enough! Here are 6 for starters...

  1. Change the member "reputation" system so that no member can downvote other members, or hide their posts. This could be accomplished in one of two ways: i) Allow only upvotes for posts, comments or replies; or ii) If we allow both upvotes and downvotes, eliminate the reputation system completely.
  2. Set a specific amount for each upvote, regardless of how much steem power the voting member, or the author has.
  3. Require all members to have so much steem power for each upvote they wish to cast in a given day. i.e. No steem power = no votes.
  4. If we allow downvotes, restrict all members to perhaps just 1 or 2 downvotes per day. This would prevent most retaliation by those members who get their kicks out of downvoting dozens if not hundreds of posts from a single author they decide they do not like for some reason.
  5. Change the curator reward pool so that it is equally divided among "all" upvotes for posts, comments and replies. We could even set a time limit for votes to be counted, perhaps the first 12 hours of a post?
  6. Change the current 13 week power down time frame to something much less, perhaps 4 weeks as a current proposal suggests.

..

05.02.2020 05:40
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If you could contribute something positive toward moving the platform toward a democratic process for choosing our top twenty witnesses, that would be enough.
What would you need to change about the management of your account to achieve that I wonder

05.02.2020 06:42
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"If you could contribute something positive toward moving the platform toward a democratic process for choosing our top twenty witnesses, that would be enough."

Personally I would completely do away with the Witnesss system. Some of the worst abusers on Steemit are actually Witnesses. i.e. @themarkymark, @blocktrades (AKA @unclemantis), @gtg, @cervantes, etc. These people downvote other members for no reason other than their own personal hate.

Witnesses should NOT have the ability to downvote other members. Doing so should immediately remove them as a Witness, and perhaps even have all their Steem Power taken away. Also, allow members to vote "against" Witnesses, without retaliation, NOT just for them.

05.02.2020 14:17
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Please read the whitepaper before speaking again.

05.02.2020 14:24
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05.02.2020 16:11
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Nice.

06.02.2020 15:48
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@themarkymark and @unclemantis, can you please let me know what @starworld did to deserve the downvotes and what they might be able to do to repair their rep?

Thank you for your time and consideration.

06.02.2020 15:50
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Thank you!

06.02.2020 16:17
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you are welcome. Please check your wallet transfers for a personal note. I am indeed sorry, it was a mistake. A slip of the mouse. I take downvoting very seriously too!

06.02.2020 16:46
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S

06.02.2020 16:24
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I had no idea I downvoted! Please post link and I will rectify this!

06.02.2020 16:25
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Fixed!

06.02.2020 16:29
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Thanks!

06.02.2020 16:34
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Fixed!

06.02.2020 16:29
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Libeled buildawhale (me) and implied I am a pedophile.

06.02.2020 20:06
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Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Isn't name-calling considered an ad hominem attack?

Nevermind, ok, let's call it libel for the sake of argument.

What can @starworld do to slake your wroth?

I mean, if someone called you the N-word, basically name-calling, what action or time-out period (30 days of silence) do you believe would be a reasonable censure?

I agree you've clearly been wronged, but you obviously outweigh @starworld significantly, so it's not exactly a "fair fight".

I'm not even sure if they're willing to apologize or take down (or modify) the offending comment. Maybe they could settle for just calling you a "jerk" or add, IMHO right before the statement?

I realize I have no option but to appeal to your intelligence and reasonableness.

I'm not even trying to help @starworld, I'm doing it for the newbz.

06.02.2020 20:27
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freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences.

06.02.2020 20:34
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Sure, ok, so does that mean that if someone crosses some unspecified line-in-the-sand, that they're just SOL forever?

Don't you think if the situation was reversed that you'd appreciate some kind of warning like a take-down-notice or some quantifiable written rule or at least some option to "pay" for what they've done?

I have trouble believing you think "might makes right".

Thanks again for your time and consideration.

06.02.2020 20:45
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I don't go around calling people scammers and pedophiles.

06.02.2020 20:46
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Of course not.

But have you ever accidentally pissed someone off?

Crossed some line you didn't even know was there?

I know I have.

06.02.2020 20:49
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No one libeled anyone or implied that "you" were a pedophile. That is simply your own false assumption, and unfortunately you are letting it get the better of you with your continued wrath and hate for me. What is perfectly clear, not only to me, but to many others here I suspect, is that you are one truly sick individual, and a total disgrace to the position you hold in this or any other forum. You are are Steemit Witness! You are suppose to set a good example for others to follow, but instead you have chosen to follow a line of wrath and hate against anyone who ticks you off. People like you are indeed the problem with society today, certainly not the solution you may think you are.

07.02.2020 16:17
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Would you consider this a "crime" as well?

Waytruthlight tries to lure children into his van with candy

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@madalchemist/q3ff7r

Or do you only downvote accounts that mention you personally?

14.02.2020 12:37
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His last post and comment was 2 years ago.

Do some due diligence ok?

14.02.2020 12:39
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I'm asking if you consider it a "crime"?

And the "offender" madalchemist posted a comment 10 days ago.

Waytruthlight quit posting two years ago because they were getting unfairly downvoted. Now they just downvote other people out of spite.

This is an awesome model.

Downvote people so they stop posting and just stay mad for two years downvoting random accounts so they get mad and stop posting and just stay mad for two years downvoting random accounts so they get mad and stop posting...

This BOOSTS THE REWARD POOL which gets scooped into the hands of the TOP EARNERS.

It's a WIN-WIN!!!!

14.02.2020 12:57
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Asking what is a crime? Something no one has seen, that someone claims on the Internet without proof? Steemian's like to claim all sorts of things, 99.8% of it is bullshit.

I have no freaking clue, if it is true, then yes of course it is a crime, even a 4 year old is smart enough to know that.

14.02.2020 13:00
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Oh, ok. I thought you were downvoting @starworld because they called you a name ("suggested you and buildawale were a ped0").

From my perspective that's just, "Something no one has seen, that someone claims on the Internet without proof?"

I'm just wondering if you downvote accounts for name-calling generally, or do you only downvote when someone's calling you (or your alts) names?

14.02.2020 13:07
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You can look at my downvote history and figure it out for yourself. Get some education.

14.02.2020 13:09
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I can't seem to find the tab that shows your motives.

14.02.2020 13:11
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I don't see the tab that shows your intelligence.

14.02.2020 13:31
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How much intelligence does it take to decipher your MORAL AXIOMS?

I'd hazard a guess that you don't even know them yourself.

14.02.2020 13:40
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Hazard away, just leave me out of it ok?

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