Steem Consensus Witness Statement : Hardfork 0.23 (Codename: New Steem)


Dear Steemians,

Many things have happened since February, and we believe that this is time to wrap up and move on. The Steem blockchain has been under constant attack from malicious accounts and this has heavily influenced user experience, Dapps useability, and the stability of the chain itself.


Note that 22.8888 was previously implemented as a temporary, reversible measure to resolve issues.

Unlike 22.2 (where now-hive witnesses froze Steem Inc. related accounts (total amount 65M SP, worth about 13 million USD) without any public discussion or notice), 22.8888 was different in two ways:

(1) pre-announcement was made so that community had time to discuss and affected accounts could make changes (for example, powerdown routes), and

(2) the reasons were based on what actually happened ("HIVE" chain split), while for 22.2 the reasons were based on something that did not happen (it was mere speculation like "it may happen" or "it is likely to happen", argued by some 22.2 witnesses)


Since 22.8888, we have observed even more negative actions, including (but not limited to)

(1) Intentionally undermining network stability by running different versions of the witness nodes and/or spamming malicious transactions (note that this can be solved by Hardfork as these transactions will now be ignored)

(2) Spamming meaningless or hostile post/replies, to displease Steem users and render the ecosystem unattractive for the existing user base and all potential new users, PO, and investors,

(3) Negatively and severely affecting the ecosystem by siphoning the rewards pool and using bots to automate the farm-and-dump on the chain without any care given to the PoB concept. The purpose of these malicious activities was to push users away from Steem by allocating part of the reward pool to their farming circles in the aim to highly lower the rewards that genuine authors are getting, engaging in heavy farming by recycling and posting stolen content to damage the SEO advantage that the community has built during the past 4 years, in addition to putting huge selling pressure on STEEM to keep people away from it by continuously dumping all the STEEM generated by the farming,

(4) Spreading FUD, rumors, and targeted disinformation, along with attacking, doxing, and publicly shaming users with different opinions.

Thus, witnesses have decided to make changes with HF to protect Steem network stability, enhance Steem user experience, and protect Steem community users' property rights. In particular, we expect Steem users may enjoy faster, more stable Steem blockchain as the issues of (1) will not be relevant.


We notify that there will be three changes:

I. Power-down period will be reduced to 4 weeks, instead of the current 13 weeks. This change is to promote more users to stake STEEM without fearing their assets locked up for a long period and to participate in Steem activities. By creating a more friendly environment for investors, we expect this change to positively enhance STEEM stakeholders' experience.

II. Update the documentation and other key related materials necessary to secure Steem, gain network stability, honor user experience, and ensure the proper functioning of the chain and projects that are built on top of if by providing accurate and up-to-date data.

III. Seize some user accounts that participated in criminal activities by actively contributing to the threat against the Steem blockchain and/or to the theft of STEEM holders' assets.

  1. The launch of HIVE chain is not a protocol update to improve blockchain performance or security, but a hostile split action to exclude certain accounts.
  2. Some of the previous main Steem witnesses (now most of them are HIVE main witnesses) put Steem blockchain at risk by threatening the stability of the Steem Blockchain while running a hostile Hardfork version on Steem, even though their main job as main witnesses was to protect and maintain the integrity of the Steem Blockchain. See Steem Consensus Witness Statement: Softfork 0.22.8888 for more details.
  3. Some HIVE launching members decided to take away HIVE tokens of 326 Steem users' HIVE tokens and placed it in the @steem.dao account (total amount of 83.2 million STEEM, about 23% of the total STEEM supply that worth around 16.6 million USD, as of 20th May 2020) that is de facto controlled by a small group. This is a clear violation of the property rights of STEEM holders, as these HIVE members illegally transferred assets of the Steem users that were assigned at the time of snapshot (code-copy chain split time). One may find these transfer records on Hiveblocks or Hiveblockexplorer, for example, one sample screenshot is provided below:
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Ironically, the very reason that HIVE witnesses got their spots at the HIVE launch was the result of STEEM token holders' voting. And it is even more disturbing that many Steem users who got their assets stolen actually had voted for more than 5 HIVE witnesses (then Steem main witnesses), but these HIVE witnesses betrayed STEEM holders who voted for them.

Note that some HIVE witnesses use the misleading word "airdrop", but it is a mere copy-chain so "snapshot" is the proper one. If a chain is to start from scratch, "airdrop" is a proper term and the chain designers may choose whatever airdrop method. However, the HIVE case is a clear copy - HIVE copied everything of Steem blockchain, such as account names, passwords, previous postings, assets, etc. What they have done is taking other users' assets after the snapshot.

  • Also note that some HIVE users use another misleading concept like “there was no HIVE before the split, so no HIVE can be taken away from Steem users.” This is categorically inaccurate and misleading - how can you transfer something that does not exist? Their blockchain record clearly shows that HIVE, HBD, and Hive Power were transferred.

Hardfork Data:

  1. Date: 20th May 2020
  2. Time: 14:00 UTC
  3. Github Code: https://github.com/steemhardfork/steemhf/tree/hf0.23

However, witnesses understand that some Steem community members may have different views regarding specifics. We reiterate that witnesses respect the importance of the Steem community, encourage Steem community discussion sessions, and fully support Steem community decisions.

Proposals may be made via SPS so that any Steem community members may suggest potential exclusion of certain accounts that were affected by the HF.

More details will be posted soon.

Steem on.


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19.05.2020 14:08
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They really be clowning.

19.05.2020 14:10
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The more I read this bullshit, the more I laugh. I'm not even going to bother commenting on your ignorance. Keep trashing STEEM as you're doing. You touch user's accounts and you ass will get delisted on all exchanges. Good luck with your shitcoin.

19.05.2020 14:08
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LMAO

19.05.2020 15:37
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Are you seriously accusing me and all the others on the list of criminal activity? Where's your individual proofs?

This is incredible. A lot of money you're "seizing" here, I'll make sure to find someone who'll take care of you for even half of my part.

19.05.2020 14:11
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Take care of you? Searching for hitman on the dark web? Lol

19.05.2020 15:36
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That's not necessary, it's all covered by legal frameworks. You're weird.

19.05.2020 16:05
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Under the natural law, it is acceptable to hunt down and kill @triple.aaa to stop an invasion in progress. It is something the witnesses should have done with @justinsunsteemit from day 1.

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19.05.2020 19:00
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Lol have fun with your ak-47 and stimulus paycheck.

19.05.2020 19:29
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Wasn't no freezing of funds part of the original promises?

19.05.2020 14:14
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Justin is just a politician. Make the promise, get into power, get support & fuck everyone over afterwards.

19.05.2020 14:20
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fuck everyone

Let's see him do it. Up the ass?

19.05.2020 14:24
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Do you like justin sun or you just want him to fuck you? Who knows

19.05.2020 14:28
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I want him to fuck you.

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19.05.2020 17:32
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Eww no thanks

19.05.2020 18:37
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I can ensure it.

20.05.2020 01:00
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@cadawg needs to #MeToo

20.05.2020 21:57
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He's @moowoof after sun's done with him.

21.05.2020 01:17
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I am pretty sure that does not apply to someone who stole first. Seizure of criminal activity related assets is normal.

That being said, the only remaining point is that whether someone is involved in such criminal activity. For that part, (as always?) community will decide.

19.05.2020 14:24
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Promises should apply to everyone, no?

19.05.2020 14:25
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You can check my team(@dev.supporters) statement. We did not make such promise.

We will try to protect steemians, not attackers.

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20.05.2020 02:56
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The only protection i want is a blockchain that protects my funds.

Steem (and to a lesser degree Hive) are currently showing me that my funds are not save and are only one hard fork away from been seized.

In the past all I have to fear when criticising a whiteness was a downvote. Now I have to fear that my funds are seized at the next HF.

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19.05.2020 15:44
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Top Kek

19.05.2020 14:29
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You morons are going to get so fucked. 😂
You do know your names are public? haha

19.05.2020 14:39
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Your language reminds me of xxxxxxxxxx. It seems that you picked it up from him. Guess you guys are good friends.

19.05.2020 14:44
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Bernie is not a fan of me.
Im just telling you what will happen. You signed up as the spokeperson for Justin Sun. A "mouth of Sauron type character". You are his "patsy" that will take the fall once all this is over.

Best case scenario they just sue you and you lose some money but i wouldnt be surprised if they pay someone to beat the shit out of you for supporting this.

You do know many of these guys are anonymous and you just stole their money.

19.05.2020 14:53
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Your imagination is going too far, so I don't know what to say at this point.

Sounds like you volunteer to "sign up as a spokeperson" for HIVE core guys and what you got in return is that one of them, xxxxxxxxxx, in fact bullies you over there. Except that, what you got is close to zero and someone from the core takes all the credit.

Good luck with that - I guess that's what you expected and asked for, right?

I'm just telling you what happened. I do not claim to tell "what will happen", as some people who don't even know what they are doing frequently do.

This would be my last reply to you. Have fun on the other side.

19.05.2020 15:12
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Your imagination is going too far, so I don't know what to say at this point.

For your own sake, hope im wrong here.

Sounds like you volunteer to "sign up as a spokeperson" for HIVE core guys and what you got in return is that one of them, xxxxxxxxxx, in fact bullies you over there. Except that, what you got is close to zero and someone from the core takes all the credit.

I never said HIVE was perfect. Just much better then STEEM.
See, when i speak my mind i do it because i believe its the right thing to do. I expect no compensation for it and will take any consequence that might come my way for speaking out openly.
Unlike you guys that held STEEM hostage with your votes and got fucked in the end because of it.

19.05.2020 15:20
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Yeah, on Hive the most you can get for pissing someone off is being downvoted. You can still speak your mind without worries.

On Steem you can get your funds taken from you. Big difference.

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19.05.2020 16:25
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Pay someone to beat the shit out of you? Lol are we still in grade school? You have a good sense of humor.

19.05.2020 15:32
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Its hardly grade school what will happen to you guys.

19.05.2020 20:47
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What do you mean by "you guys"? I didnt do anything lol. Good riddance.

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19.05.2020 16:26
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Lol wow im scared!

19.05.2020 15:31
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19.05.2020 15:44
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Where can I see proof that I, or any other individual on that list, participated in criminal activity? Where exactly did I cross a line?

19.05.2020 16:02
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I am pretty sure that does not apply to someone who stole first. Seizure of criminal activity related assets is normal.

That being said, the only remaining point is that whether someone is involved in such criminal activity. For that part, (as always?) community will decide.

I'm very sure you're an idiot without a moral compass.

19.05.2020 16:18
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i know one account on that list that had nothing to do with everything you wrote here. he was just not happy with what is going on on steem. you know who he is, and you know why he is on that list. could you explain to others why you are deleting a small steem account, just because he wrote some comments that you don't like?

19.05.2020 16:22
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19.05.2020 16:22
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No response, of course.

19.05.2020 21:11
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they cant say anything, because they know that he did nothing. he never used bots to spam, he never spamed with posts, he did not fram the chain, had nothing with creation of hive. only thing he did is called justin chinese dictator and criticized korean community. also the amount of steem he owns can't do anything to the chain. they are taking his steem, just because they don't like him.

19.05.2020 23:13
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How about stealing the accounts @mottler and @mottler-1. I haven't seen much talk of that.

All these two accounts have ever done is mine Steem and power it up. Not even the nanometer-thin excuses they offer provides any justification for stealing that guy's stake.

https://steemd.com/@mottler
https://steemd.com/@mottler-1

19.05.2020 23:28
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don't know who he is, but for him they probably have some kind of conspiracy theory that it is blocktrades or someone like that.
i just checked, wow he has no posts, no comments, never even transfered 1 steem out? he most probably does not even know he will lose 500k$ tomorrow. crazy.

19.05.2020 23:38
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I guess they just want to steal more STEEM for themselves. Might as well take it from someone who's never used their account, even though they may still hold the keys. Typical thief logic.

19.05.2020 23:47
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yes the best thing about this is that they are transferring funds to a private account. so one person will have 5M$ steem tomorrow. and can do with it whatever he wants. this is clear theft, and all for a gain of one person.
I thought justin will never be this stupid, but he is moving the line every time he decide to do something.

20.05.2020 00:08
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What the fuck!

20.05.2020 14:41
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damn i wonder who that guy is. but let these koreans undermine themselves ;)

20.05.2020 09:59
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:D

20.05.2020 11:56
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The sham witnesses that are only in consensus due to the single, centralized vote of Sun Yuchen have proven themselves to be immoral, unethical, idiotic thieves. This is a sham of a blockchain, rendered completely useless and untrustable by a centralized stake abusing DPoS to put these fake, illegitimate scumbags in a position to nullify user balances arbitrarily and at will. The market will tell us what it thinks of an authoritarian blockchain.

`namespace hardforkprotect23
{

inline static const std::set< std::string >& get_hive_accounts23()
{
static const std::set< std::string > hive_accounts23
{
"abusereports",
"berniesanders",
"kingdong",
"nextgencrypto",
"ngc",
"ozchartart",
"sirvotesalot",
"sockpuppet",
"thecyclist",
"xx0xx",
"xxxxxxxxxx",
"z8teyb289qav9z",
"agent14",
"curatorhulk",
"dhenz",
"drbanner",
"gokuisreal",
"johnmadden",
"realself",
"theycallmedan",
"arsahk",
"blocktrades",
"darthknight",
"kevtorin",
"kriborin",
"lessys",
"acidyo",
"ats-david",
"ausbitbank",
"bittrix",
"clappy",
"drakos",
"fefemz",
"freedom",
"gtg",
"howo",
"jawnz",
"klobu",
"likwid",
"liondani",
"neoxian",
"netuoso",
"ocd-witness",
"pfunk",
"pharesim",
"roelandp",
"roundbeargames",
"sooty",
"steempress",
"themarkymark",
"therealwolf",
"timetickertickin",
"transisto",
"znnuksfe",
"mottler",
"mottler-1",
"smooth",
"smooth.witness",
"smooth-a",
"smooth-b",
"smooth-c",
"smooth-d",
"smooth-e",
"smooth-f",
"safari"
};

return hive_accounts23;

19.05.2020 14:18
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Truly sorry you couldnt powerdown your steem quickly enough.

19.05.2020 15:36
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I don't understand why you would be so flippant about what is happening. It doesn't matter if every one of the people on your list was a criminal (they aren't of course), by effectively removing their access to the SP and Steem they owned and in many cases purchased with their own money, you are saying goodbye to any hope of serious investment in Steem in the future? Who the hell apart from Justin's rich mates would want to invest in a blockchain that has witnesses that will destroy their assets at any point and for any reason they choose. The only good thing about the hard fork for me since I'm too small of a fish to be on the list, is the reduction of the power down time. I am already powering down and now I won't have to wait so long to get my Steem off this joke or a chain that I joined right at the beginning when it was run properly (well, I wouldn't go that far but the thought of stealing users Steem or SP certainly wasn't something that anyone would have even considered back then).

Good luck but I really don't see how the Steem blockchain can come back from this.

Long live Hive.

19.05.2020 15:57
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19.05.2020 15:57
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How dare you Bernie ;-)

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19.05.2020 16:04
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I think its just best for people on both sides who disagree with each other to quickly powerdown and leave for the platform they each support. Theres no turning back now. I truly wish you guys a good luck. The market will decide years from now who was right or wrong. It could be hive or it could be steem. To each his own.

19.05.2020 16:02
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I agree with your point but the people on the list have not been given the option to do this. That is the only problem I have. Let people decide but in the case of the people on the list, their option will be taken away and any Steem or SP that they have not been able to power down will be gone and unable to be taken out. Is that right? If it is then I really don't see how it could be justified in any way. At the very least, the users on the list should have been able to powerdown and remove all thier assets before their accounts were deleted (or whatever is happening too them). This whole thing should have been handled better from the beginning.

I wish you luck however.

Jim

19.05.2020 16:09
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Theoretically, if I pissed off or threatened the right people I could be added to the list and there isn't a damn thing I could do about it. How can that ever be right?

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19.05.2020 16:12
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I hear you, but i think a lot of people feel the same anout the hive situation too. Two wrongs definitely dont make it right. I'm just explaining the current sentiment.

19.05.2020 16:19
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19.05.2020 16:19
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Those upset about not getting a HIVE airdrop are in no way similar to the people righteously indignant at this blatant theft of STEEM tokens.

Most of those denied an airdrop were complicit in Justin Sun's hostile takeover. They didn't want HIVE, and in turn, HIVE doesn't want them. Those remaining denied an airdrop by mistake have an avenue to request remedy.

Sun is instead seizing assets from accounts, destroying the core concept of blockchain security. He is doing so because he was rightly criticized and opposed due to concerns that he might do exactly what he did. The soft fork freeze may have been ill-advised, but in hindsight, Sun never intended to honor the terms of the Steemit stake. His Terms of Servoce are unilateral dictates for censorship and theft, not an agreement between user and site administrator.

23.05.2020 04:50
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You do you man. I've had this conversation multiple times with different users and the fundamental gap in the differing philisophies are just too great for both sides to come to an underatanding.

You guys probably think we are crazy, but funnily enough thats what people on this side say about hive people. Anyways, thanks for at least not resorting to ad hominem and not posting dick pics. Thats refreshing and i mean that in a sincere manner.

23.05.2020 12:40
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I am still the Steem Pope. Standards must be upheld, and my departure is reluctant. I was here for the community, and the community was attacked. I am just waiting for my power-down to complete. I will retain some stake here in hopes that matters improve, but for now, I think HIVE remains the best option, at least in the near term.

23.05.2020 18:28
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Heh. Good luck sir.

24.05.2020 02:31
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Hey dipshits, flag this too

19.05.2020 14:18
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Thanks fuck you, too.

19.05.2020 15:34
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The launch of HIVE chain is not a protocol update to improve blockchain performance or security, but a hostile split action to exclude certain accounts.

There is no need to change any core functionality of a blockchain for a fork. Anyone can fork any chain, at any moment if they please so. This is the beauty of decentralization. If you want you can fork bitcoin right now, call it steemcoin and run it with exactly the same code, you can do that. That is the definition of open source.

Some of the previous main Steem witnesses (now most of them are HIVE main witnesses) put Steem blockchain at risk by threatening the stability of the Steem Blockchain while running a hostile Hardfork version on Steem, even though their main job as main witnesses was to protect and maintain the integrity of the Steem Blockchain. 

This is called consensus, witnesses that do not agree with certain code HAVE to run different code. This is not a hostile action, this is how consensus is achieved. If enough people run a different version, they achieve consensus and the others stay out of it. That is NOT a hostile action. Please read papers on consensus before wording something like this.

See Steem Consensus Witness Statement: Softfork 0.22.8888 for more details.
Some HIVE launching members decided to take away HIVE tokens of 326 Steem users' HIVE tokens and placed it in the @steem.dao account (total amount of 83.2 million STEEM, about 23% of the total STEEM supply that worth around 16.6 million USD, as of 20th May 2020) that is de facto controlled by a small group. This is a clear violation of the property rights of STEEM holders, as these HIVE members illegally transferred assets of the Steem users that were assigned at the time of snapshot (code-copy chain split time). One may find these transfer records on Hiveblocks or Hiveblockexplorer, for example, one sample screenshot is provided below:

Again, you can download the bitcoin blockchain to your local computer and do whatever you please with it, you can alter data, you can even remove blocks and add bogus data. You are allowed to do so. That is the freedom blockchain gives you. What you can also do is after playing around with this data, start running a node and call it Bitcoin+++ with your alterations (including changing transfers, removing assets, whatever you please). Other people may like your changes, will download your snapshot and also run it. This is the freedom blockchain gives you, there is nothing hostile with this.

However, what is hostile, is changing things and trying to participate in the bitcoin network with the "bogus data" and trying to convince other people in the bitcoin network to accept it. However, this is still legal if you want to do this. If enough people think that this is the best for the blockchain that's fine.
However, if you got 1 central entity in the chain that defines all the consensus witnesses, this qualifies like a security, and seizing other peoples shares in a security is actually against the law.

19.05.2020 14:21
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Thanks facts-cat!

19.05.2020 14:24
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It seems that you are at least presenting something logical. So let me reply briefly.

It seems that you argue that at HF anything can be done, including transfering users' assets, as long as there is a consensus. In that case, this HF has no problem - one may simply choose to not participate or run different version(s).

For "security" definition, if you would like to pursue this way, it would be fairly difficult to prove that, or disprove that HIVE is not (we all know how much blocktrade(including his alts), freedom have)

19.05.2020 14:40
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Now the problem arises from the interchange with exchanges. Since you got an existing asset, and are seizing existing funds of people, that would mean that exchanges accepting this code are also accepting the removal of funds of people outside of the scope of the actual protocol. None of the people whose funds were seized got their funds in an illegitimate way (through hacking or similar, like in the case of Ethereum). Thus, that is actually quite complicated.

In the case of Hive, a new asset was created and people got this NEW asset based on a set of rules. That is fine since no ones existing assets got altered in any way.

In terms of security, I hope you are doing your math right, the vast majority of the votes on the witnesses on the steem chain comes from steemit inc. While only 20-30% of the votes on the hive chain come from freedom + blocktrades. The problem arises if one single legal entity is able to vote in/out all consensus participants. (That's why Tron was assessed a security in a recent lawsuit).

19.05.2020 14:52
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It seems that you still don't get this part.

It would be totally fine if HIVE started from scratch. Who cares, and who may care about what the initial launchers would choose.

HIVE is not. It is literally a code-copy with all the history (posting, assets, etc). And then core HIVE guys transferred HIVE assets: see HIVE own transaction records as linked in the OP.

If what HIVE did is okay, this HF is totally fine too.


Moreover, there will be appeal process (likely via SPS) so community may change this witness decision if they would like to.


For the security part, it is not an important topic (for now, and for us) to discuss anyway - if someone wants to focus on this, he or she may pursue legal actions for it.

19.05.2020 15:06
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No, you are not getting it. It doesn't matter what Hive puts in their brand new database. If they copy in bitcoin blocks, ethereum blocks, whaleshare blocks. It's their database, they can fill it with all open source blockchain material they can.
And users can then accept to use it or not, and exchanges can accept to list it or not. But it's NEW. Even though they copied over state from steem. It's a new copy.

It doesn't matter if that past material comes from Steem. It's a new database that is filled with selective material.

Steem is an old database and you're removing material from the existing database in a hardfork.

Those are fundamentally different things.

19.05.2020 15:15
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It seems that several points are being repeated. Let me focus on one thing.

Say (as you claim) HIVE is new.

then is it okay to move HIVE stakes? you can see the blockchain record. If there was no HIVE, then there cannot be any transfer. But there were transfers, which means that existing assets are illegally transferred.

In fact, steem.dao account still holds these "stolen" assets.

How can you explain this?

19.05.2020 15:45
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If the move of the assets is defined on the creation of hive and everyone that joins hive knows about this. Then it is fine. This makes this a part of the rule of the system.

(Similarly as inflation rewards, or witness voting, etc).

The problem is if you change the rules after releasing a chain. Then that is problematic.

19.05.2020 16:28
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When I look at the blockchain record, the transfer occurred before Hive blockchain started. You can see the record on the steem blockchain, and the action was completed by a Tron Foundation witness

https://steemd.com/b/41818752

Not sure what difference any of that might make, but there it is

20.05.2020 05:28
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Oi, this conversation has gone in circles. New assets are new assets. I could take a picture of a billionaires USD account and give him a token I just made up out of thin air and it isn't stealing anything. Not sure why this is a difficult concept for this other guy to understand.

19.05.2020 15:50
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You should then go speak with consensus witnesses on Hive since a lot of them were OK with nulling the stake of Steemit Inc several months back.

They accepted the idea to null Inc just because of consensus (regardless of the reasons), it's normal they said, but now you are preaching as everyone from Hive that taking a similar decision based on consensus is a problem?

yea,

19.05.2020 16:06
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Actually, they were not nulling it ever. The discussion was always ask Steemit Inc to null it themselves or start a new chain.

19.05.2020 16:25
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you got it, that´s the main issue, but they literally ignore it because its better for them, its just propaganda ;)

20.05.2020 08:57
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I for one did. And voted to undo the airdrop exclusion. I would have voted to not do this exclusion as well.

If someone told me early enough.

But both Hive and Steem seem to keep there votes secret until it's too late.

20.05.2020 13:39
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19.05.2020 16:27
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Hive didn't start from scratch, it originated from the need and beliefs of a part of Steem community that believed more strongly than the rest in the ethos of decentralization.

For your information Steem stayed for weeks under the full control of one entity (Justin Sun) who controlled all 20 witnesses spots with newly created sock puppets voted in by exchanges users funds and supposedly non-voting Steemit's pre-mine.

Whatever else you claim it started from was opensouce code in the public domain.

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Spitting blockchain into two happens all the time. I think there are four Bitcoins chains and three Ethereum chains by now.

Those new chains always took new names and applied to exchanges to be added under those new names. Effectively doubling the coin for each user. Normal thing to do.

Confiscating coins is not something not at all normal. Confiscating is setting a bad precedence.

If Steem really wanted to get rid of the users they should have powered the accounts down, blocked them from power up.

And yet, Hive should have gone that route as well: Forced power down instead of airdrop exclusion.

20.05.2020 13:35
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Steem HF23 and the Hive split are different situations because of asset continuity.

  • The HIVE hardfork did not promise continuity. It is a new token under a new name. HIVE then sought exchange listings as a new token.
  • The 0.23 steem hardfork is not issuing a new token, changing names or any such thing. The HF23 Steem blockchain will, afaik, leverage the exchange listings of the previous HF Steem. Also, continuity of stakeholder balances has been a feature of Steem hard-forks up until this particular one.

YMMV on how important one thinks continuity is important to the sanctity of private funds. I think continuity is very important.

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19.05.2020 21:45
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However, this opens up a lot of interesting legal questions. For one, while people should not have their assets censored, technically, people should be able to run any fork they want.

So, what legal argument exists to say the witnesses are obligated to continue running a specific version of the code? I don't think witnesses can be compelled to run only a certain version. If they could be compelled to run a version it could open up for lawsuits all blockchains that ever forked.

This situation might indicate that blockchains simply don't offer censorship resistance unless consensus is reached by more participants than can be influenced toward a single goal.

20.05.2020 21:54
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I agree the legal ramifications will be interesting, should it ever be tested. I have my guesses on a few angles the lawyers might try, but I'm not prepared to put my thoughts about that on-chain.

21.05.2020 09:45
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Anyone who doesn't see the broad picture of what is happening here must wake up and realize as soon as possible the progressive chain of actions soon to happen (in the near future) resulting from using the Legacy Legal system to resolve a Cryptographic Currency DAO related problem.

Here is the chain of actions (I can envision the future).

Some sort of lawsuit goes forward in US courts surrounding crypgraphic currency. This is actually engineer/designed by the powers that be for a specific reason.

Please be a responbile member of this cryographic DAO and learn proper technology history. What happened to software as a result from people taking digital matters into legacy courtrooms?

https://bbs.fandom.com/wiki/SEA_vs._PKWARE

Please, we MUST NEVER repeat this problem.

We *MUST solve democratic repos. And parties involved MUST resolves their differences for the overall good of all future cryptographic DAO technology..

DO NOT F%^$ THIS UP. IF YOU F^$% THIS UP, HUMANITY WILL BE SET BACK DECADES, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

21.05.2020 13:05
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19.05.2020 15:42
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19.05.2020 15:44
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Justin Sun can copy code and buyout existing companies but he can never force free people to become his slaves.

贾斯汀·孙(Justin Sun)可以复制代码并收购现有公司,但他永远不能强迫自由的人成为他的奴隶。

저스틴 선 (Justin Sun)은 코드를 복사하고 기존 회사를 매입 할 수는 있지만 자유인을 강제로 노예로 만들 수 없습니다.

Justin Sunはコードをコピーして既存の企業を買収することができますが、自由な人々に彼の奴隷になることを強制することはできません。

20.05.2020 02:52
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thanks for this. your answers were sorely needed.

20.05.2020 02:52
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22.05.2020 19:47
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Enjoy the dListing of your "decentralised" Coin on Exchanges

19.05.2020 14:23
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So by sending those funds into #define HIVE_TREASURY_ACCOUNT "community321"you're effectively commiting a CRIME by STEALING user assets.

https://github.com/steemhardfork/steemhf/compare/hf0.23#diff-c57fe1c1f164cf2b14e0f779e1e9338cR341

19.05.2020 14:28
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TripleA team (includes the current witnesses @triple.aaa, @jayplay.witness, @the707, @skuld2000.wit, @segye.witness
@zzan.witnesses = @ayogom
They are fucking Moron
J.SUN's Puppet

19.05.2020 21:46
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like done before on Hive with steem.dao where my SP seems to be in also !!!

So where is the difference, the "old Gang" on Hive does it first and now wondering why they earn back the same from JS this is paying penalties for the first case from your side.

I´m not happy with a few of the people on the list but hey the all have a chance to talk to JS about, or better send in a proposal and pray that anybody will help them.

Remember the same was happening to many of us with Hive, and imagine what chance this proposal had when acting against the stake from the "old Gang"

It´s all about a few accounts who demand what´s happening on the Hive-chain !

20.05.2020 09:31
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False equivalence doesn't hold water.

23.05.2020 04:54
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The ROR team will support Hardfork 23 as STEEM Witness and will work to protect STEEM.

19.05.2020 14:30
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Another asslicker.

19.05.2020 14:53
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19.05.2020 16:24
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You will be effectively commiting a CRIME by STEALING user assets and moving them into this account:
#define HIVE_TREASURY_ACCOUNT "community321"

https://github.com/steemhardfork/steemhf/compare/hf0.23#diff-c57fe1c1f164cf2b14e0f779e1e9338cR341

19.05.2020 14:31
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Wow, incredibly disturbing turn of events. The fact that Justin and friends would even consider straight DELETING user's assets that they invested hard-earned money and time into is insane and goes against every core value of decentralization. Thank GOD that the decision was made to hard fork, otherwise this project would have been a complete waste. I highly doubt anyone will ever invest in STEEM again, given that the new TRON leadership has already shown that they will steal from users that go against their wishes. What an absolute disaster.

19.05.2020 14:41
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The minnows seem to be safe, it's just the biggest investors that get their accounts wiped. Whales have always been a problem to begin with, we don't need them. :P

19.05.2020 15:03
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If you think you don't need 'whales' you are sorely wrong. Anything you are doing right now on Steem or Hive is because of whales. Anything you do on any piece of technology requires whales. You need investors to do anything.

19.05.2020 15:31
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Yeah, that was my point actually. The post was meant to drive home the ridiculousness of the HF. ;)

19.05.2020 15:43
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Ah, sorry hehe. I know there are numerous people on here that believe we don't need whales or people with large stakes. I've seen the comment threads and it just baffles me!

19.05.2020 15:47
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the thing is 5 million divided by 60 fish is 83.000 each

thats not whale-money

... Icarus

i so seriously dont wanna debate this lol ... but it is the best part of the steemsoap so far i have seen in 4 years , and after my experiences THUS FAR (things might still go anywhere) i cant help but think very quietly w00t karma ...

maybe i'm evil too , face it if you werent in line with the elder triffids and their steemcleanery and whatnot you would never get a job in town

so, whats new ? :)

if there's actual cleaning of the chain gonna happen

then that's still not this

i am nothing but curious

id probably be more weary if i had more money in it but i welcomed our new chinese overlords from day one since i was tired of the elders anyway since loooooong before that ...

its a business now

not a walled off little pond

tschuess ... tempting but i so dont wanna yap too much about it

bracing for the first aftershock ... although i doubt much will stick in court (collective decision and what not since steem-it is not the steem-chain and .... well first of all
1) settlement : here's your money back , i dont have room for the spare change anyway

then there were 30

2) my lawyers have dug up your tax reports up until your grandpa ... BUT i still wanna settle, id prefer to "just get on with my business" and start building instead of defending

and then there were 5 good men by the name of Elliott Ness who were not afraid to stick that to court

3) but they ran out of money soon

... Fin ...

you got wives and kids and whatnot this is not vietnam or anything and the fire will hurt the little fish

IF you put it in a court and play the chinese card like "o but its a spy agency now"

and the judge says K i'll take the case : ALL ASSETS FROZEN UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

5 to 10 years in court ...

and then some

RIGHT ... i need some sleep ...

20.05.2020 15:34
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I thoroughly dug that glimmer of insight

20.05.2020 20:52
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You need investors to do anything.

for now,...

23.05.2020 00:44
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Yeah, so don't become too big a fish or express yourself freely. Tyranny. Everyone loves that right?

19.05.2020 18:40
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Perhaps the top should have been more inclusive?

A median payout of .6 is sure to excite very few people.

20.05.2020 00:47
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maybe yes, maybe no (.6 payout).

You all constantly ignoring facts and still run around telling "your" truth, but ever read carefully this lines from the post?

This is very clear written story from what is realy happening before, I stated this for a long time before the hardfork that going this way (on the side of the old Top-witnesses and their big friends) will lead to reaction from JS who was forced to do so from the "Old Gang" so why now cry and try to find a bunch of shitty reasons to discredit him again?

It is all about trust in one and behavior nothing else.

The Old Gang hat taken a wrong decision, which hurts a lot of active and solid steemians, many of them not quite in line with their (the Old Gangs") reaction to JS, and now wondering what the´ve earned with, so what ?!

This was ok for them when doing it to JS, but geting hurt the same way by JS is not ok ?

I still wonder how silly some Investors could be to think that this can be working without any damages on their side, they got way less money than JS so normaly better make friend to him or acquire tons of extra money to beat him so.

Anyway the damage is done and somebody will pay the price ;)

20.05.2020 08:24
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You all constantly ignoring facts and still run around telling "your" truth, but ever read carefully this lines from the post?

Lol, whatever.
Care cite some of my quotes?

Rich powerful people took control into their own hands.
Who did what first, last, and to whom is really irrelevant, at this point.

Both sides have been clear, get with the brown nosing or forget getting any rewards.

It remains to seen how far they wish to carry their selective rewarding of the effort here, but time won't lie to us.

I've been putting out daily content in excess of three years.
Approaching 20k posts.
You think i could get a vote from one of the golden children?
No.
All I've gotten is told I have tourettes, but the fool spelled it turrets, and i was supposed to be too stupid to catch his drift, though his sophisticated friends would know.

I was told straight out the gate that my content would not pass muster on steem, I don't see why the people making their own chain would change their content voting habits, so I stay here to see what Mr. Sun has in mind.

If i get rewarded here, I will continue beating my drum here, otherwise, I will put my attention to something else.
The same applies to hive.
Though, I may stay there just to be thorn in their sides.
You'd be surprised how quick a burr under a saddle blanket gets attention from other riders.

21.05.2020 02:19
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Thank you for your detailed answer, a very fitting statement, I will keep it similar ;)

22.05.2020 16:05
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First they came for the whales but I did not speak out because I was no whale.

20.05.2020 06:52
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19.05.2020 15:44
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sham steem witnesses:

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19.05.2020 18:40
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TripleA team (includes the current witnesses @triple.aaa, @jayplay.witness, @the707, @skuld2000.wit, @segye.witness
@zzan.witnesses = @ayogom
They are fucking Moron
J.SUN's Puppet

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19.05.2020 21:45
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Justin Sun can copy code and buyout existing companies but he can never force free people to become his slaves.

贾斯汀·孙(Justin Sun)可以复制代码并收购现有公司,但他永远不能强迫自由的人成为他的奴隶。

저스틴 선 (Justin Sun)은 코드를 복사하고 기존 회사를 매입 할 수는 있지만 자유인을 강제로 노예로 만들 수 없습니다.

Justin Sunはコードをコピーして既存の企業を買収することができますが、自由な人々に彼の奴隷になることを強制することはできません。

20.05.2020 02:45
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I agree with this very much.
Now we expect Steem and Hive to work in their own block chain instead of fighting.
we don't have to be negative. Let's win in our respective chains. Good luck to Hive.

19.05.2020 14:42
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we don't have to be negative

forks out 65 accounts

Ok.

19.05.2020 15:07
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"Reap what the HIVE sow"

19.05.2020 15:13
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19.05.2020 15:39
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Become what you hate.

19.05.2020 16:09
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What a happy Thanksgiving festival. :)

19.05.2020 16:12
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19.05.2020 16:13
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19.05.2020 16:24
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Do you agree with Justin Sun sucking Ned's dick for a discount on his Steem?

19.05.2020 15:36
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Does @elipowell suck your tiny cock too?

19.05.2020 15:37
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Do you finger @justyy's ass while you're blowing him?

19.05.2020 15:37
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19.05.2020 15:39
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19.05.2020 15:42
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19.05.2020 16:25
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Lol you are so fucking retarded I can't believe this is actually happening.

19.05.2020 14:43
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Is there a list?

19.05.2020 14:48
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"abusereports",
"berniesanders",
"kingdong",
"nextgencrypto",
"ngc",
"ozchartart",
"sirvotesalot",
"sockpuppet",
"thecyclist",
"xx0xx",
"xxxxxxxxxx",
"z8teyb289qav9z",
"agent14",
"curatorhulk",
"dhenz",
"drbanner",
"gokuisreal",
"johnmadden",
"realself",
"theycallmedan",
"arsahk",
"blocktrades",
"darthknight",
"kevtorin",
"kriborin",
"lessys",
"acidyo",
"ats-david",
"ausbitbank",
"bittrix",
"clappy",
"drakos",
"fefemz",
"freedom",
"gtg",
"howo",
"jawnz",
"klobu",
"likwid",
"liondani",
"neoxian",
"netuoso",
"ocd-witness",
"pfunk",
"pharesim",
"roelandp",
"roundbeargames",
"sooty",
"steempress",
"themarkymark",
"therealwolf",
"timetickertickin",
"transisto",
"znnuksfe",
"mottler",
"mottler-1",
"smooth",
"smooth.witness",
"smooth-a",
"smooth-b",
"smooth-c",
"smooth-d",
"smooth-e",
"smooth-f",
"safari"

19.05.2020 15:04
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Who exactly are you?
steemit inc?
a group of witnesses?

19.05.2020 14:49
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19.05.2020 14:50
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You should flick this switch on steempeak:

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19.05.2020 14:55
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I've just tried this and I got this. Any ideas what's up?
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20.05.2020 14:52
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Everything on steem seems to be broken :/

20.05.2020 15:20
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This is just straight theft and no excuses will cover it. I'm saddened and disappointed to see long term users support this and become part of Justins criminal legacy.

He is meant to be a business man and leader within the crypto community but instead has spent months playing around like a child and is now stealing from regular users and ruining STEEM for ever. It's name will become dirt after stealing funds from the very people that helped to build everything in the first place.

19.05.2020 14:54
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Justin Sun can copy code and buyout existing companies but he can never force free people to become his slaves.

贾斯汀·孙(Justin Sun)可以复制代码并收购现有公司,但他永远不能强迫自由的人成为他的奴隶。

저스틴 선 (Justin Sun)은 코드를 복사하고 기존 회사를 매입 할 수는 있지만 자유인을 강제로 노예로 만들 수 없습니다.

Justin Sunはコードをコピーして既存の企業を買収することができますが、自由な人々に彼の奴隷になることを強制することはできません。

20.05.2020 02:54
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Roughly 23,711,154.046 STEEM (mostly as SP) seems affected by this incoming hardfork on steem..

Sad that it has come to this.. Although to be fair sort of foresaw this on the horizon. :/

19.05.2020 14:56
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Some top20 witnesses are not running the new hf version yet. They better hurry, otherwise they will be kicked out by the powers in charge.

19.05.2020 14:57
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This hard fork is a very important event for steemit.
Hive can no longer harm steemit.
We expect Steemit and Hive to be faithful to their work.
I strongly agree this hard fork.

19.05.2020 14:59
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Did you know Justin Sun sucked Ned's dick to get a small discount on his Steem?

19.05.2020 15:15
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You make words too vulgar.
Not worth answering.

19.05.2020 15:32
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Fuck
Dick
Pussy
Cocksucker
Asshole
Cunt
Retard

19.05.2020 15:36
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Yes. These are the words on your face.
This is your exact level.
And it is also the level of the Hive fanatics.

19.05.2020 15:41
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19.05.2020 15:47
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Sounds just like the conman in the white house.

19.05.2020 15:41
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Are you even capable of writing a sentence without including the words dick and suck?

19.05.2020 15:33
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Are you offended because you caught your dad sucking your moms dick?

19.05.2020 15:35
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Hey man. Better than your dad sucking your mom's dick... not that theres anything wrong with that.

19.05.2020 15:37
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19.05.2020 15:47
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곰돌이가 @menerva님의 소중한 댓글에 시세변동을 감안하여 $0.017을 보팅해서 $0.025을 지켜드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7972번 $110.400을 보팅해서 $109.333을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~ 곰돌이 서비스는 6월 20일 11pm에 종료됩니다.

26.05.2020 01:09
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곰돌이가 @gomdory님의 소중한 댓글에 $0.030을 보팅해서 $0.012을 살려드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7993번 $110.833을 보팅해서 $109.782을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~ 곰돌이 서비스는 6월 20일 11pm에 종료됩니다.

01.06.2020 10:45
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19.05.2020 16:24
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Hive was never a threat to Steemit. Justin Sun was the threat, and continues to be a threat as demonstrated yet again here. Hive was the solution to the threat. An imperfect solution, but as the saying goes, "any port in a storm."

The demand for a complete community split is insane, but it is being pushed by Sun and Steemit, not Hive. The campaign of censorship and arbitrary terms of service have driven out those of us who had hoped to see some sort of truce come about. But every action taken since shows how power-mad the new Steemit team has become. Anyone who chooses to support Steemit Inc. with full knowledge of these actions is complicit.

23.05.2020 05:02
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Y'all ever been to philland?

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19.05.2020 15:01
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I heard @elipowell is nothing more than Justins fluffer at this point. Know what I'm sayin?

19.05.2020 15:16
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I had to look that up lol

19.05.2020 15:44
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19.05.2020 15:47
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You may not know well, but I think it means that the server's location is there because the Internet is connected everywhere.

19.05.2020 15:22
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I can't find Philland. Very confused

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19.05.2020 15:41
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Can you show me a map of Philland?

19.05.2020 15:43
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19.05.2020 16:24
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I go there every few months for vacation.

19.05.2020 17:29
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Awesome, where the fuck is it?

19.05.2020 18:37
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Its where you and Sun will be fucking. Think about where you want that to be.

20.05.2020 01:00
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NOWHERE

20.05.2020 11:03
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However, the HIVE case is a clear copy - HIVE copied everything of Steem blockchain, such as account names, passwords, previous postings, assets, etc. What they have done is taking other users' assets after the snapshot.

I guess if you look at a mirror and shoot it, there is a real danger to end up at prison?

19.05.2020 15:07
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I heard the mother of @justyy fucked Justin Sun to get him his witness spot.

19.05.2020 15:14
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You retards have been in charge just a few short months and have quickly turned this place into a dumpster fire. Nobody needs to attack your centralized ledger, you do this well on your own.

19.05.2020 15:17
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TripleA team (includes the current witnesses @triple.aaa, @jayplay.witness, @the707, @skuld2000.wit, @segye.witness
@zzan.witnesses = @ayogom
They are fucking Moron
J.SUN's Puppet

19.05.2020 21:45
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Seize some user accounts that participated in criminal activities by actively contributing to the threat against the Steem blockchain and/or to the theft of STEEM holders' assets.

I'm not sure what gives you the authority to seize user's Steem.

Unlikely freezing assets suspected to be acquired illegally until clarification, this is very likely to be a violation of financial laws. Please contact the proper legal authorities and consult with lawyers.

Hive and Steem are separate. Let bygones be bygones.

I have informed you that you are breaking the law.

19.05.2020 15:40
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Let bygones be bygones.

If you have seen what has happened, you know who prevented this from happening.


And we don't know who or what gave HIVE (witnesses?) the authority to freeze user's STEEM at 22.2 and seize user's HIVE after the fork. If someone can answer this, he or she may answer your questions as well.

19.05.2020 16:18
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19.05.2020 16:18
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19.05.2020 16:18
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I don't see how SF22.2 is related to HF23. When was the last time 22.2 actually had a chance of taking over consensus? About 3 months ago.

The plan here is to simply take assets that belong to others.

You could put it into an escrow account operated by a lawyer to be sold if your goal was something other than simple theft.

By the way I voted for every proposal to airdrop Hive to all.

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19.05.2020 21:09
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And we don't know who or what gave HIVE (witnesses?) the authority to freeze user's STEEM at 22.2

Yes we do. Justin Sun did. It was in the terms of service of the Steemit website he owns.

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Justin agreed that his transactions may not be completed as he did not own the Steem blockchain.

The witnesses clearly announced a temporary freeze of his transactions due to the facts that

  1. He had purchased a potentially disruptive amount of stake in a back room deal, not via the markets which would have benefitted other Steem holders and precluded him from acquiring such a massive stake due to the run up in price it would have caused.
  2. Justin had recently exercised control of founders tokens on the Tron blockchain to manipulate block producer governance.
  3. Justin had announced a migration of Steem to the Tron blockchain, even beginning to put a token exchange process in place through Poloniex.
  4. During all this had never spoken with Steem elected witnesses.

Justin reacted rather amicably to the freeze, apologizing to the community and scheduling a meeting with the top 50 Steem witnesses to clarify his plans and build the new working relationship.

Of course, that was manipulative stalling as he colluded with exchanges to utilize customer deposits to overthrow rightful Steem governance and install 20 fake sock puppet witnesses, bringing us to our present state.

So, as you can see, Justin Sun’s terms of service explicitly approve his inability to transact under HF 22.2; yet he had the stupidity to call it a criminal act.

The only criminality is that these terms of service still state that Steemit Inc. does not control the Steem blockchain, which is factually untrue. It’s the reason why their official communications always feign fake ignorance of new developments that censor, freeze, and seize the assets of Justin’s opposition, while Steemit Inc. instantly removes any dissenting witnesses from the consensus ranks.

20.05.2020 03:56
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The consensus was almost unanimous.
Very few people were liking Ned, let alone some unknown that came in like a wrecking ball, we almost forked stinc out sooner.
I was for it.
Couldn't get the majority of stake to break their mind control.
Chainbase is open source, it can't be stolen.
Ultimately, they came to the same conclusion some months later.

Let them go, they should leave peaceably, too.

I'll be glad when these rich people get back to farming us, rather than pushing us around.

23.05.2020 01:03
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I'm really sad everything get to this point! Pandora's box was opened even she was told not to do it!
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By the way, I will upvote a proposal to return these people their funds, if any.

20.05.2020 07:06
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Keep in mind the context in which I made that quote. It was referring to the question of whether or not Steemit Ninjamined stake was Justin Sun's private property after the purchase of Steemit, or if it belonged to the community. Further, that stake was never actually moved out of any wallet by the former consensus witnesses.

In this case, the plan is to remove the stake from the wallets of the confirmed owners of the stake.

It's quite the escalation, don't you think?

20.05.2020 09:50
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Yes, I think so, and is sad.

20.05.2020 15:00
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As a STEEM witness, we support this HF. Hope changes in powerdown period and additional treatments will enhance STEEM stakeholders' experience.

Looking forward to "New STEEM".

19.05.2020 15:42
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Our government has jurisdiction over this, and our American Cops will shoot to kill any steem witnesses since they love any excuse to shoot unarmed poc. Our cops will receive full immunity, and a paid administrative vacation. So lemme ask the steem witnesses a question,

Have some honor, and perform Seppuku .

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19.05.2020 18:56
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So in other words, the only thing Steem devs and witnesses achieved in about 2 month is extending an array of user, change a parameter from 13 to 3 and put a major release label 0.23 on it?

Really good job! I'am really looking forward for your roadmap and the next major release!

19.05.2020 15:46
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They've been working hard making announcements :P

20.05.2020 10:43
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lolz

20.05.2020 19:58
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What we learned from the SoftFork 22.2 and Hive fork from previous Witnesses is thata everyone has the right to run various versions of the software they want to run, and the value of the network is created through the participation of more people.

Hive runs the 0.23 version of the software and transferred assets held by 362 accounts to the @ steem.dao account. According to the posting of your boss, blocktrades, every fork sets its own rules, and the value of the tokens is created by voluntarily participating in a chain that people think is more valuable.

It's time to stop pointless criticism and war, and now it's time for each individual chain to focus on creating value. The Steem Blockchain will work with more people to create more value in the future. I hope Hive will be a chain that creates value in its own way.

Good luck.

19.05.2020 15:50
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Yes. Anyone is free to create a new fork with whatever code and data they want.

But there is one key difference here, namely whether or not the owners of the accounts whose states have been altered will themselves have to go through the trouble of first getting the support to run a version with their tokens, and second to have that token listed on exchanges and to thus gain value.

While I was strongly against the Hive exclusions, at least those excluded did not have to do anything to keep their existing STEEM balances. Those who forked to Hive created a new token, and did all the work to get it listed on exchanges and recognized in order to hold value. On the other hand, if those affected by the alterations of balances included in this fork want to run a version with their funds, then granted that this code gets accepted by exchanges, they will have to come up with a different token with a different name and do all the work to give it value.

Thus it is not apples and apples. In one instance, the affected party is imposed with a significant cost in order to retain the value they once had. Wheras in the other instance, those excluded from the HIVE fork has kept everything they had beforehand.

Again, I disagreed with the exclusions, as well as the spam and other attempts to make Steem unstable. But still, this logic does not apply equally.

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Has happened before though. Ethereum (ETH) is the fork and Ethereum (ETC) is technically the original chain but it did not inherit the ticker symbol "ETH" nor the listing on exchanges.

Technically, ticker symbols are no-man's land, because they exist only in social consensus and not on the actual blockchain. So it would be up to the exchanges and market data sites to decide which of the forks would get the STEEM ticker.

20.05.2020 22:13
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Currently, there only are about 35 witnesses in the top 500 (not counting Justin Sun's sock puppets) who are running any of your fork versions. 93% of the top 500 witnesses disagree with what you guys are doing.

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Witness accounts. The number of people running those 35 or so is much smaller. Probably about 1/3.

19.05.2020 21:15
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That is very true. I know of at least two that are running multiple top 20 witnesses, and I haven't even looked into it.

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I´m very happy with this decision, thank you!

19.05.2020 15:55
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19.05.2020 16:25
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Steemit has been leaching off from Steem community since long before Tron / Justin Sun took it over.

This upgrade is the equivalent of taking away the savings from developers that were previously doing unpaid voluntarily work for the chain because they don't work on it for free anymore.

Without a breakdown of why each of these accounts have their fund seized it's clear this list is mostly personal vandetta for any and everything from a small clique empowered by Steemit Inc ill acquired stake.

I'm almost certain the reason @likwid is on this list is because it downvoted some of @cjdns low quality content.

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I´m wondering why you are shining up on the list, but anyway you as a developer should have had stand out of the downvote battles, there was much more for you to downvote from BS, and all the others.
And let me tell you some there was not much guys who don´t take some money for there services they offer I remember one of them is @steemchiller and he was slapped also because he´s not agreeing with what the "old Gang" is doing to the new Investor (you know the case with his proposal?).

Maybe check out a proposal for yourself and the likwid account on steemit, or just talk to JS, your case seems a bit different from all the others to me.

Suerte ;)

20.05.2020 09:19
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As a proud Steem Witness I will support this HF. For the #newsteem!

19.05.2020 17:05
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By half of you people I'm not even sure if you are serious. I mean, you can't be serious, right?

20.05.2020 03:04
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What happened with your node? I think you should be in the top. Maybe I can help.

26.05.2020 21:45
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Nah you are just bitches

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19.05.2020 17:58
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This post is filled with blatant lies.

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19.05.2020 18:29
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You geniuses do realize that, because of this THEFT, Justin Sun will lose a massive amount of money in the inevitable class-action lawsuit?

19.05.2020 18:35
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How is it any different than *uckerberg on facebook deleting accounts and controlling the posts? Steemit has never been a decentralized platform so if the new boss looks different from the old boss it's because you weren't one of the hogs sucking up the reward pool. Class action lawsuit could go both ways from my perspective.

21.05.2020 06:56
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How is it different? Money. Real money put in by investors and then stolen.

21.05.2020 12:52
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Im amazed Justin was able to come back after his coins got heisted.

https://medium.com/@TronFoundation/the-truth-behind-steem-takeover-38179feba963

22.05.2020 02:48
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Justin’s version of events is bogus. What else is new?

22.05.2020 03:16
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The Long arms of the US law will be enough to capture the South Korean communist bandits doing Justin sun's 50 cent party bidding, and you can bet all victims involved will be calling law enforcement and regulator agencies 24/7.

An unfortunate thing about American Law enforcement is that they love to shoot and kill unarmed people of color-and they get away with it with full immunity and a paid administrative vacation as a reward. It doesn't always happen. But lemme ask you a question

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Here are witnesses on record as respecting the sanctity of private property:

TripleA team (includes the current witnesses @triple.aaa, @jayplay.witness, @the707, @skuld2000.wit, @segye.witness
@steemhunt
@zzan.witnesses
@steem-dragon
@hinomaru-jp
@future.witness

If they run this hardfork then consider their word unreliable.

There are many misdeeds alleged of varying severity and a group of accounts who are being punished equally via funds forfeiture. Even if these wallet holders are guilty, one-size-fits-all punishment is not the way just leaders behave.

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TripleA team (includes the current witnesses @triple.aaa, @jayplay.witness, @the707, @skuld2000.wit, @segye.witness
@zzan.witnesses = @ayogom
They are fucking Moron
J.SUN's Puppet

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19.05.2020 21:45
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Just out of curiosity - why is @freedom's stake being seized? What did he/she do? They have never even posted.

19.05.2020 21:26
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Maybe because they could dox them, if they wanted to?
Instead they just remove the steem.

23.05.2020 00:58
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Note that some HIVE witnesses use the misleading word "airdrop", but it is a mere copy-chain so "snapshot" is the proper one.

This fork will not impact the Hive blockchain.

Also, this logic is legally flawed. Are you aware that a split or fork is legally a new asset?

The IRS classifies cryptocurrency splits as "airdrops" and as taxation events. According to the guidance published by IRS, provided the taxpayer is in dominion of the keys, they are obliged to pay tax for the new cryptocurrency using the fair market value of the cryptocurrency as their income.

You are actually not legally entitled to receiving a new asset. Not to mention if you were, the appropriate thing to do would be legal action, not theft and seizure of other assets.

By the way, I have supported every proposal to airdrop Hive.

19.05.2020 21:26
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So many lies in this post, it’s hard to know where to start, but Brian hit the nail on the head:

https://peakd.com/hf23/@brianoflondon/letter-to-witnesses-do-not-run-steem-hard-fork-23-hf-0-23-0

It is the difference between walking into a bank and giving out $100 bills to 80% of the people there (what Hive did) and walking into a bank and taking $100 from 20% of the people there (what hf 0.23 does). It may be mathematically and computationally similar, but one is perfectly legal and the other is completely illegal.

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Great citation. It's a pity Steem users won't happen to see it. I rarely suggest this, but this post actually should be cross-posted.

20.05.2020 14:58
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I got an alert that the HF will remove steem from accounts when I logged on. People are going to leave this place like flies. if they lose their hard-earned Steem.

19.05.2020 22:22
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A blockchain that can and does seize funds is a worthless blockchain. The good news is the reduction of the power down time.

20.05.2020 06:34
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This looks like theft to me. Hive left Steem with their own fork, copied the content and reset all wallets to zero, and then "airdropped" HIVE and HBD balances to selected wallets based on accounts meeting certain criteria. Original STEEM was left intact, and all acounts maintained their STEEM and SBD balances. Nobody lost anything. You're welcome to follow suit and fork off, leaving original STEEM intact too, but you're choosing to seize the original holdings from those accounts. That is theft.

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When you strike back with a worse tactic than that you are calling criminal while demonizing that act, you no longer have ground to stand on.

This shows the original action(hf 2.22) was warranted.

I can't believe you(stinc) and others that were in such an uproar about a freezing of assets could even consider this! I mean, how is this not hypocrisy to the extreme?

Some will attempt to rationalize their perspective trying to legitimize this, but it's simply reaching.

You can change your truth, but not THE truth. I can only shake my head.

20.05.2020 00:43
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20.05.2020 02:42
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Justin Sun can copy code and buyout existing companies but he can never force free people to become his slaves.

贾斯汀·孙(Justin Sun)可以复制代码并收购现有公司,但他永远不能强迫自由的人成为他的奴隶。

저스틴 선 (Justin Sun)은 코드를 복사하고 기존 회사를 매입 할 수는 있지만 자유인을 강제로 노예로 만들 수 없습니다.

Justin Sunはコードをコピーして既存の企業を買収することができますが、自由な人々に彼の奴隷になることを強制することはできません。

20.05.2020 02:51
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I guess it was a correct decision to switch to hive,after Notice this decision is already made. It's not a suggestion, it's the ultimate evidence that steem blockchain has been compromised by single entity ---------------------

create hive blockchain account

Care to join Hive? Sign up free here!

20.05.2020 05:09
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And here I thought things would go back to normal. Both Chains go their own way.

But no, both chains continue withholding funds from their users.

Withholding funds is wrong. It was wrong in HF 22.2, it was wrong when forking the Hive chain and is wrong in HF 23.

Withholding funds sends a signal to the investors that their funds are not save and can to take away by at any moment.

Steem (and to a lesser degree Hive) are currently showing me that my funds are not save and are only one hard fork away from been seized.
In the past all I have to fear when criticising a whiteness was a downvote. Now I have to fear that my funds are seized at the next HF.

The only good news is the faster power down giving me a change to get out of here ASAP.

20.05.2020 06:50
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If you are not yet part of the Revolution, it is still possible to join us. Read this post to learn how.

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20.05.2020 10:28
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Translation of the full text of this post, no comments (post comments separately)

本帖全文翻译,不做点评(另行发帖点评)。

HF23全文翻译:Steem Consensus Witness Statement : Hardfork 0.23 (Codename: New Steem)

20.05.2020 12:50
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However, witnesses understand that some Steem community members may have different views regarding specifics. We reiterate that witnesses respect the importance of the Steem community, encourage Steem community discussion sessions, and fully support Steem community decisions

No. You really don't. The last fork was/is extremely unpopular. This one will be even more unpopular. Your actions have hurt the Steem community greatly causing the exodus of many apps and many members. You are doing this for your own selfish reasons because when you look at your actions, it is apparent that you are the exact same as the old witnesses. You should admit that and move on.

20.05.2020 13:11
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money is not safe here

20.05.2020 14:10
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I guess someone tx-ed the money (incl lots belonging to you) to some save place :)

20.05.2020 18:28
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Hello, can I buy your Engine Miner on Steem-engine? I have placed buy orders. thank you

15.06.2020 19:21
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I hope you didn't have any plans for those funds. ROFL

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20.05.2020 14:31
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owo, what's going on? how did it got sent to bittrex suddenly?

20.05.2020 15:00
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I don't know. But you just can't make this up.

20.05.2020 15:12
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and I just noticed, there's no MEMO in that transfer! nobody gets to control these funds except for the receiver: bittrex!

20.05.2020 15:29
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At this point, even if the funds are never recovered by their original owners it is one of the better outcomes IMO.

20.05.2020 15:37
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I cant imagine Bittrex not executing their part. At least Justin Sunny Boy and his accomplices are not 23.5M Steem more rich! 😂😂😂 They are even to stupid to steel funds, even when they control the software hahaha

20.05.2020 18:27
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This thread will go down in history as marking the end of the prologue of crypto-based social networks (death of steemit), and beginning of act 1 (take off of hive, twetch, etc.). So I thought I'd add my little comment here to show my children one day :-D

Signed: Swiss Custodians

21.05.2020 18:57
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i'm totally gonna stay out of this, my dislike for a lot of the elder triffids has never been a secret but on the concept of seizing assets

i am switzerland ... not keeping it is probably a good idea

devsupport makes some decent points there , a clear-cut case of jesus and the stone on the concept of innocence and whatnot

but it is alarming that wallets can be seized overnight

granted

its a collective decision as were all decisions by the elder triffids including apocalypse 21 ...

and i frankly ..
1) wanna see the price (go up)
2) look forward to the battle with eos-voice b/C

...im still convinced that is how this buyout started and

no one put a gun to the head of Ned afaik ...

i hear we get another fork called blurt or something ?

some parts of the EULA here btw (steemit inc user agreement) @dev.supporters

could use a bit more clarity in the phrasing but its possible they are intentionally written that way

i guess this is Crypton's favourite soap season 1 ep 3 :

"Welcome to the real world" ..

maybe its nasty to say but 60 100.000dollar-whales are a bit irrelevant compared to a 100 billion guy investing ... what would be great and gud would be some winklevoss class or maybe warren buffet having a sunday lulz and buying a stake too, the more the better

and then there was balance but

im done talking

20.05.2020 15:24
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HEIST attempt was not successful, all funds send to Bittrex by some unknown White Knight... Check @community321 account. You can also read my APPICS post: https://steempeak.com/hive-142013/@edje42/appics-v1-appics-im-189449

20.05.2020 18:25
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LOL i cant believe that really happened!

20.05.2020 19:51
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Funny... The power down period is still 13 week... I guess this hard fork had another porpoise...

20.05.2020 16:34
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Nope, its 4 weeks. I think you have to stop powerdown, and start again.

20.05.2020 18:23
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I did, still giving me 38 steem per week from my 490 SP...

20.05.2020 19:41
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It's just a guess but perhaps the power downs that were in place during the hf will have to stick to 13weeks. I canceled mine yesterday and started it again after the hf and I got 4 weeks. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will jump in and explain it properly. Again, it's just me guessing.

20.05.2020 21:50
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I also cancelled mine and started a new one, its now 4 weeks... The thing is that still shows as 13 weeks when you try to select the amount of SP to power down, its just a pretty poor job on coding i guess...

22.05.2020 14:58
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Poor coding? On Steemit? Perish the thought! [/sarcasm]

23.05.2020 05:10
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Anything beyond copy and paste seems too complicated :)

24.05.2020 11:13
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So, i now can confirm that the power down period still 13 week, so it was a lie, the sole intention of this fork was to remove some users tokens...

20.05.2020 20:09
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20.05.2020 21:55
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So, how did your first day as a thief go?

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20.05.2020 23:45
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I's very good that Power-down period will be reduced to 4 weeks. I think it is absolutely the number one priority.

21.05.2020 08:25
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This reads like the propaganda of a state actor.

21.05.2020 14:12
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Instances of authoritarianism never differ in kind, only degree. The masks they wear may change, but there is always an authoritarian sociopath trying to sell slavery with a candy coating. Sun is just bad at this.

23.05.2020 05:11
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you can buyout companies, copy ideas from others but you can never force free people to become your slaves.

Justin, look in the mirror.

您可以收购公司,复制他人的想法,但您永远不能强迫自由的人成为您的奴隶。

照照镜子。

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