Decoding POLITICAL-DOUBLESPEAK with LOGIC


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Steve VS Hogan

https://www.npr.org/player/embed/775324267/775328997

starting at 38 seconds

ending at 5 minutes 25 seconds

Steve: Does the house process make the impeachment process any more fair?

LOGIC: #1 asking about "fairness" is OPINION NOT FACT (CRITICAL ERROR, FLAG ON THE PLAY, BUG IDENTIFIED). #2 It is the same process the republicans used to impeach Clinton so it stands to reason that (IFF) it was fair enough for Clinton (THEN) it must also be fair enough for Trump. It would be categorically UNFAIR to use a different process.

Hogan: 2 things, 1st thing, I dispute your premise, Trump was primarily concerned about Ukrainian Government Corruption. Ukraine was rife with corruption.

LOGIC: ABSOLUTELY 100% DODGES THE QUESTION (ABOUT FAIRNESS). You can dispute a premise, but you then need to explain exactly what you think that premise is and your REASONS for disputing it. Simply saying "i dispute the premise" is not CARTE BLANCHE to just ignore the interviewer and start SPOUTING YOUR TALKING-POINTS.

Steve: Just to be perfectly clear, you said the premise was incorrect? I've carefully reviewed the transcript, and the president asks about a couple of specific things. #1 a conspiracy theory involving crowdstrike and the DNC server, and #2 involves Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. Those are the ONLY things the president asks about regarding Ukrainian Government Corruption.

LOGIC: Steve mentions "the premise" (still unspecified), and then forgets all about his fairness question (1st interview question!) and instead follows Hogan's RED-HERRING. And then pointedly questions Hogan's bald assertion that Trump is very concerned about Ukrainian Government Corruption. Crowdstrike is not part of the Ukrainian Government. Hunter Biden is not part of the Ukrainian Government. (IFF) you are concerned about UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION (THEN) you should be investigating UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

Hogan: What he didn't talk about were his political rivals for 2020. I remember when democrats used to care about what happened in the 2016 election, that's what he was talking about and quite frankly [TALKING-POINT] this is what the president ran on and won on in 2016 [/TALKING POINT] which is making sure the money we give to our allies is spent wisely. I understand that democrats don't care how we spend taxpayer dollars at home much less abroad, but this president does.

LOGIC: Hogan throws down another RED-HERRING. Trump never mentioned 2020. This is a non-sequitur. Nobody is claiming that "Trump mentioned 2020". The actual implicit claim is that Trump IS THINKING ABOUT 2020 A LOT, SOMETIMES EVEN WHEN HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY THE WORDS 2020. The "fact" that Trump never mentioned 2020 on the call is 100% MOOT. Hogan throws down another RED-HERRING.

POSTULATE WHAT HAS TO BE PROVED. Hogan, out of the blue, says he remembers when democrats used to care about 2016. This is a statement of opinion which is stated as fact, conflating opinion with fact. It is also PROVABLY FALSE. Just ask one person, any person who calls themself a democrat, just ask them if they "care about what happened in 2016" and see if their answer contradicts Hogan's opinion stated as fact.

Wildly off-topic, [TALKING-POINT] this is what the president ran on and won on in 2016 [/TALKING POINT].

Are you sure you want to talk about that? Is this the same president who lost the popular vote by over 2 million? Can you perhaps answer the very first question of this interview mr. "landslide"?

We need to make sure our allies spend the money we give them wisely. That sounds nice, but the problem is it is a statement of PURE 100% OPINION. There is absolutely no way anyone can determine if American allies will spend the money they are given "wisely" or not. There never has been and there never will be. Is it wise to pursue a conspiracy theory about the hacking of a DNC server in 2016? Is that really the wisest way the UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT WHO IS BASICALLY AT WAR WITH RUSSIA AT THE MOMENT, is that really the most important thing for them to be doing?

If Trump is really super concerned about a DNC server hack from 2016, why doesn't he ask the STATE DEPARTMENT TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION??????????????????????????????????

Hogan closes his statement with another RED-HERRING, POSTULATE WHAT HAS TO BE PROVED, the democrats don't care about how tax money is spent. Same as before, this statement, bald-assertion, opinion stated as fact, IS PROVABLY FALSE.

Steve: Please wait a second, we've gotta correct a fact here, you said the president did not ask about a 2020 rival, the record shows, the white-house record of the call, the record you released says, Trump asked about Joe Biden, so that is totally false what you just said. Why did you say that false thing?
LOGIC:
(1) ENTER YOUR LOGIC NOTES FOR THIS BLANK IN THE COMMENTS.

Hogan: In relation to the 2016 corruption, he wasn't talking 2020 and you and your listeners knw that.
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Steve: How iis Joe Biden involved in the crowdstrike thingxactly?
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Hogan: If yoyou're talking about the 2016 election and you're talking about the corruption as it related to Ukraine, you talk about the person who dealt with Ukraine and that was Joe Biden. I'm sorry, but running for president doesn't insulate you from any criticism or any investigation iny way.
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Steve: That at is certainly true. Let's go on to your question about the process now. Because you wanted to make a point about the process and whether or not it's mfair.

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Hogan: Rightight, it's not. What the democrats have done is run a sham impeachment process, all behind closed doors, without any sunlight whatsoever, selectively leaking pieces of information without full testimony, to try and build a narrative moving into the second round. The vote yesterday did nothing except say we're going to make portions of the next part public after we've already tried to tie your hands, bound your feet, bind-folded you put you in a closet and beat you senseless, then we're just gonna take the blindfold off for round 2. Round 3 is when we're gonna take you in front of the judiciary committee, and we expect though that you're gonna be bloodied up enough that it won't matter. The problem is, who they're fighting against is Donald Trump, he's gonna stand up by round 3 and fback.

LOGIC:
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Steve: That'That's interesting, I think democrats would characterize it differently, but there is an element of truth in what you said, that they would have to admit, which is that they have just taken a bunch of testimony in these private hearings and they're going to call those witnesses back in public and expect them to stand behind those stories, which we largely know. Is that going to make it challenging to defend the presidepublic?
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Hogan: Right Right, and face cross-examinatio agree.
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Steve: Do yoDo you think there's going to be difficulty defending that case given that so much of it is already on record?
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Hogan: No, bo, because you're only hearing selected pieces of one portion. And then also yesterday for example, a lot of things they're doing in private is beginning to back-fire. There are reports of Mr. Morrison's testimony are that he felt that the president had done nothing wrong, nothing illegal. So there are all types of things coming out of these hearings and you're kinda making my point which is it'd be really nice for the American People to get to see this, out in the open and in public. If you get a parking ticket, you are afforded due process, you can confront the policeman who gave it to you, you can talk to the judge about it, you can submit evidence, you can ask quns.
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Steve: Ave: Although, as you know, the police might investigate that in private first, then you get a trial, which could be coming, who knows?

Hogan Gidly, thanks so much, really appreciate itIC:
Hogan: Thanks for the time.
LOGIC: (11) ENTER YOUR LOGIC NOTES FOR THIS BLANK IN THE COMMENTS.
Hogan: Thanks for the time.
LOGIC: (12) ENTER YOUR LOGIENTS.

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01.11.2019 14:50
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08.11.2019 13:54
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@logiczombie, In my opinion Politics is Puppet Game and it's deceiving Humanity to it's utmost levels and people are not aware.

I think that, the game of Deception started long time ago and we all are forced to build a world which is not for us but it's for them who want to dominate and control this whole world.

Current picture of this World is really painful one and by that i mean, everywhere distress is spread and if we observe current times then in whole world we are seeing continuous Protests.

In my opinion we are in Awakening Times and people are slowy seeing the Truth and rising above of this Deceptive Matrix.

Have a blessful time ahead.

01.11.2019 19:12
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Thanks for your comment.

While I agree with your statements generally, I believe it is very important to inoculate people against this type of manipulation by pointing out the logical errors in the political discourse.

01.11.2019 20:12
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Welcome. Yes, Keep up the good work and stay blessed.

02.11.2019 21:12
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Hey mate @logiczombie,
This is what I think but I would love to hear your opinion in the comments.
Logic 1. According to Trump's Ukraine phone call, he asked President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former US Vice-President Joe Biden. But the thing is Mr. Biden would be the man facing Mr. Trump for the presidency in November 2020 and Hogan saying that wrong statement giving a little direction that what trump trying to do.

Logic 2. Just being defensive after saying a wrong statement. But I don't think that 2020 is also gonna be like 2016.

Logic 4. It's not about JUST about corruption I think coz if Biden did something then US Intell has to do something. Why you (Trump) asking the Ukrainian President for the same.

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Rest me too totally agrees with what @chireerocks said: "In my opinion Politics is Puppet Game and it's deceiving Humanity to its utmost levels and people are not aware."
and "In my opinion, we are in Awakening Times and people are slowly seeing the Truth and rising above of this Deceptive Matrix."

Would love your hear your opinion.

02.11.2019 06:09
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@iampolite, Thank you for your kind appreciation. Stay blessed.

02.11.2019 22:00
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Thanks for taking the time to comment on this. I'm just shocked that this whole conversation (Steve vs. Hogan) seems to be missing almost every single key point.

Conservatives love to rail about "rule of law" but then they don't even seem to know the basic rules regarding impeachment (OR) how the State Department initiates foreign investigations.

04.11.2019 13:00
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I don't pay attention to most politics for the very reason outlined by @chireerocks. Politicians all have their own agenda they push via giving false promises to the people who sometimes aren't even sure of the ramifications of what they want.

02.11.2019 14:26
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Yes. Have a great time ahead and stay blessed.

02.11.2019 22:30
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Like some of your other commenters, I do not pay any attention to politics, @logiczombie. If something is on the mainstream tv, which I also do not watch, you can bet it is fake or manipulated. I definitely would not take the time to analyze the words some random politicians said.

I think a lot of these people are on their way down in the Jefferey Epstein pedo island scandal and anything they can do to stop people from looking there is what they will do.

04.11.2019 03:27
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Not really a follower of politrichians

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04.11.2019 10:22
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04.11.2019 19:06
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04.11.2019 19:37
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05.11.2019 13:49
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I think those are just some kind of power games just before the previous elections...and those that will be here before the next and the next elections. I heard the interview you posted, thanx for it. Dirty games those are.

06.11.2019 14:47
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Thanks for your comment. I agree it's "some kind of power games", but what I'm trying to illustrate is that people should be able to see through the BS by applying some LOGIC.

Separate OPINION from FACT. Dismiss AD HOMINEMS and RED-HERRINGS.

06.11.2019 17:35
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Hi, that is for sure that he simply runs from the questions systematically. I really don´t like demagogy and using those technics is kind of demagogy. I really wish to hear the answers for the questions, but I don´t think we could expect those. I know that many people can see things like you (or I or some more people), but the bad thing about it is that most people don't see this behaviour and they just are driven by emotions and maybe even don't care that some people even don't answer the questions or they just simply manipulate the interview.
But thanx for pointing this out surely!

07.11.2019 07:32
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No problem!

The more people start to understand how to draw a bright line between FACT and OPINION, the more honest our public discourse will become.

07.11.2019 14:55
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