I got downvoted because I don't downvote people

A few days ago I did a post about how I prepared for Chinese New Year in Taiwan. It got quite a lot of engagement from real human beings and I was very fortunate that people liked it and upvoted it. And before I start my rant, today is Chinese New Year, let me wish you all a very happy year of the rat!

Anyway, back to my post. The next day, I got hit with a big downvote which wiped 10% off my post payout. I get downvotes all the time because there are a lot of parasites on Steemit and I've learnt to live with it. This one was from a lot bigger account and it was totally uncalled for as mine wasn't a shit post.

Some say you should try speaking to that person if you encounter these problems, to see if there's any misunderstanding. I left a polite comment on one of his/her post
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Today, he/she came back with a response, and another 50% downvote on my latest post. Apparently, I am guilty of having 100% downvote power. That's it. Not because I shit post, not because I used bid bots, not because I circle jerk, not because I don't engage and not because I don't upvote other people's post. Just because I have 100% unused downvote power, and I don't downvote people.

I am told as a stakeholder I have a responsibility to use my downvote power, and it seems that if I don't I get punished. Period.
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This is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard on Steemit. A stakeholder responsibility on Steemit is contributing to make this a better place and support the growth of Steemit and Steem. Ok, that's me saying this, but tell me if it's wrong. Stakeholder responsibilities can take different forms. Not being an arsehole is one. Onboarding new users and supporting others count. Having faith in Steem, powering up and not post, cash out and run is another. Downvoting, for the right reason, is also being a responsible stakeholder. But not doing all of these does not make me an irresponsible stakeholder.

A year ago I would have been totally pissed off at losing so much payout from my post. I'm not saying I don't mind now, but as someone said on Discord today, it's not ours till payout, so yeah, I'm annoyed, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

What really annoys me is being punished for not doing something, and then only to be told of the stupid twisted logic when asked. Since when did Steemit become a kindergarten?

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25.01.2020 16:42

Happy CNY and take care~

25.01.2020 16:52

Thanks, hope all is well in HK

27.01.2020 16:25

Damn bro that really sucks. Don't let it get you down. Keep supporting quality people on Steemit and everything will be alright.

25.01.2020 18:16

Thanks a lot for your comment. Definitely will continue to do what I can to support people on Steemit.

27.01.2020 16:27


"Definitely will continue to do what I can to support people on Steemit."

If you really mean that, then you will help do something about the following members who are abusing the down-voting facility to silence anyone who they see has views different from their own. Not only will they down-vote a comment that they don't like, but they will then go back and down-vote many of your other prior comments which have nothing to do with the original comment, such as commenting the liking of a photo, a food plate, a drawing and so on. These members must either be stopped or be removed from Steemit.

the-reef - 54.9

quarantine - 61.2

buildawhale - 74.9

blockcreate - 25.0

block-power - 25.0

bullionstackers - 71.9

And others.

As for complaining about this, I am by no means the only one. The forums are swamped with such complaints, and it is by far, the main reason why so many are leaving the Steemit platform. If you want Steemit to survive much longer, this problem must be solved now!

28.01.2020 00:46

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26.01.2020 06:55

That’s definitely annoying! I am getting more downvotes too but don’t know why! Happy New Year 🥳

26.01.2020 07:35

A lot of those downvotes don't have any impact at all, they're just a pain in the butt and have nothing better to do than to waste space and RC, so I wouldn't be too worried ^_^

27.01.2020 16:30

That's awful @livinguktaiwan
I absolutely disagree with this reason. Upvoted and resteemed

26.01.2020 10:46

Thank you for your support on this issue @project.hope. I really appreciate you helping to raise awareness

27.01.2020 16:31

Hi @livinguktaiwan

You're very right. I just wrote my own comment under original post and hopefully @likwid / @transisto will reconsider their actions in the future.

You can check my comment (and his reply, assuming there will be any) here:

26.01.2020 10:55

Thank you for voicing out your opinions @creativeblue. I'm not sure they can be reasoned with at all, some people just can't be helped, but I really appreciate it. Thanks once again for trying to make Steemit a better place so we don't lose more users

27.01.2020 16:39

Dear @livinguktaiwan

Happy Chinese New Year to you :)

I've read recent post by @likwid a moment ago and I've noticed your conversation with user behind this project.

It's obvious that you were very polite and received response ... I would consider being simply rude.

Funny enough - I was actually considering using likwid services, but they have lost my interest and I think there is no space on steem blockchain for users with their attitude.

ps. I just upvoted your post with my account and @project.hope (around 300k sp) to show my little support. Don't let pepople like @transisto bring you down and discourage you from being active on STEEM blockchain. We've lost enough users already because of downvote abuse and I hope we won't lose another one.
Yours, Piotr

26.01.2020 11:06

I went to that likwid link you posted and I was like why your brought me to this page that is giving attractive service to liquify Steem and stuff... until I saw your comments there that showed you don't recomment that service because of the actions of likwid...

but that service looked attractive but who is to say I can rely on someone to do that job giving them beneficiary benefit of 100% , amounts to centralisation and we crypto enthusiasts are against centralisation.

So stupid that people misuse their downvoting power, I wanted to downvote a person
s story coz it was awful... but I did not want to discourage with downvote, although I get downvotes on nice posts I do all the time...

I think this downvite stuff should be removed...not fun, it's used as we know just like that, not responsible. it's stupid for sure.

27.01.2020 14:37

Downvotes do have their place here, and if used correctly can be for the benefit of the platform. Sadly, there are always some who abuses the power given to them

27.01.2020 15:24

Thank you for your support @cyrpto.piotr, I would have been very upset a year ago to be bullied like this, but I've seen more and more of these type behaviour around recently to not get upset now. I've gone past my initial anger and annoyance stage and am not letting this affect me. I'm going to be hanging around, so don't worry!!

27.01.2020 15:22

Beberapa kali postingan saya juga di downvote.
Saya pikir mereka hanya iseng, tetapi perilakunya merugikan banyak orang

26.01.2020 11:37

Hey @livinguktaiwan

I saw this post because of a "memo spam" msg from @creativeblue... I put that in inverted commas because this is the first time I've received such a memo and actually clicked the link... and then your post moved me enough to actually warrant a comment... So before I start MY rant, shoutout to both of you... good job! \m/

I heard about @likwid some time back and thought it was a great idea... made a mental note of it, because I can see myself using such a service in the future. However, the person behind it is obviously an asshole, and as such won't ever use it purely out of principle now.

Sorry to hear about your experience, the only advice I can offer is that you should simply ignore it, and move along. The community will hopefully react in the same manner as they did to another clown, @transisto, and his @sadkitten account. STEEM(it) has many good whales, but unfortunately it's also full of entitled idiots that got lucky by getting into STEEM early, amassed a large stake, and now have an unwarranted god complex. Fortunately/hopefully the community will react to these fools and they'll simply fade away.

Once again, sorry to hear about your run-in with the kindergarten posse... Fuck them!

26.01.2020 12:01

Dear @braaiboy

I can see myself using such a service in the future. However, the person behind it is obviously an asshole, and as such won't ever use it purely out of principle now.

I actually had very similar impression. I just heard about @likwid several days ago and I was considering using it's service. But I don't think I will ever do that.

ps. I've noticed that you didn't post anything in 3 weeks. Hope you didn't give up on Steemit yourself.

Cheers, Piotr

26.01.2020 12:13

Hey @crypto.piotr,

Nope... haven't given up at all... Dec & Jan are traditionally just slow months (business and video-making wise), so I don't have too much to post about and share... but will def. be back at it again from Feb.

26.01.2020 12:17

Hi @braaiboy

Thanks for prompt reply.

I've noticed that you resteemed @taverngames post lately. Did you try out this game for yourself?

Also would it be okey if I take few minutes of your time and tell you little bit about curation trail I'm working currently with few other guys from @project.hope? Perhaps our efforts would be something you would like to support.

Is there any way I could DM you? Via discord or telegram?


26.01.2020 15:08

Hi again @braaiboy

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 10:15

Just @transisto being random again.

27.01.2020 05:30

Being "random"? That is not being random. That is choosing a shit reason to downvote people and acting on it.

27.01.2020 21:21

It’s amongst the weird things he does. So, I’ve conceded to random. Lol

27.01.2020 22:08

"Weird" is a nice way of saying "being a jerk".

27.01.2020 22:17

Ha... wealthy and mighty whales!!!

27.01.2020 14:39

Thanks for your comment @braaiboy, I really appreciate it. Luckily it seems like the good whales outnumber the bad ones otherwise this place would be a nightmare and we'd all be walked over and abused by the bad guys who think they can do as they please.

I'm hoping this will all pass over very soon, thanks again!

27.01.2020 15:33

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27.01.2020 15:52

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26.01.2020 12:02

You got a 7.63% upvote worth $0.004 from @upvotewhale courtesy of @creativeblue!

26.01.2020 12:09

Wow, that is really messed up! Definitely not going to be using their services...

26.01.2020 14:30

I fully agree with you @bengy. It's such a mess up reply :/

26.01.2020 15:09

The problem of that logic is it may likely trigger more downvote and retaliatory wars causing far more damage in the longer run, what a way to promote Steem to new comers.

26.01.2020 15:23

I do not think the owners of Steemit reaally care. They almost went bankrupt last year, and I think they know the end of Steemit is very close.


26.01.2020 17:36

if you're getting harassed by downvoters, set your rewards to "declined" so they don't hurt your rep (but you still get rep from upvotes!!) and then when you're safely above a rep of 26+, all the newb robot downvotes won't affect you.

27.01.2020 14:12

Thanks for the advice! Unfortunately it's not the newbies which are the problem. It's a few long time members with reputations in the high 60's or 70's. They feel they control Steemit and hate anyone with opinions which differ from theirs.

27.01.2020 15:14

Right, setting your default rewards to "declined" will keep the 60's and 70's from killing your rep.

Downvotes from people with lower rep than you won't hurt your rep.

27.01.2020 15:27

Not really! That only helps for new posts. It does not prevent asshole members like @bullionstackers from going back and down-voting any or all prior posts, just as the jerk just did. His 1 down-vote alone on my comment above dropped my reputation from 37.9 to just 33.2. Can no one stop these scumbags?

29.01.2020 23:47

Unfortunately after testing your theory for a while now, I find that you are not correct. Turning my default rewards to "declined" has absolutely no effect on stopping down-voters.

Here is proof:


Notice that the scumbag @block-power (AKA @the-reef) was still able to down-vote and hide my post.

31.01.2020 13:36

Thanks, for the info. I've modified my sig - "setting your rewards to "declined" doesn't seem to protect you from loss of rep, although it does dissuade steemcleaners and steemflagrewards"

@freezepeach please consider reviewing this case for @starworld

@steemflagrewards please consider reviewing this case for @starworld

31.01.2020 13:43

What I also do not understand is how a member with a reputation of only 25 can have any effect on my reputation when my reputation is in the 30's or 40's. This is contrary to what the information on the Steemit site seems to suggest.

31.01.2020 13:56

Well, the rewards are tied only to steem-power and the posts with payouts below zero are hidden, but the rep thing, yeah, are you sure it's just the one account with (25) rep that's taking your rep down? Because the "don't worry about your rep from smaller accounts" was specifically mentioned by @themarkymark, who I would imagine knows as much about this stuff as anyone.

31.01.2020 14:03

Yes, I am sure! On several occasions, I have ended up with 4 votes, 3 upvotes from other mambers, and 1 downvote from @block-power (25), and yet the post was immediately hidden, and my reputation dropped by as many as 5 points from just that 1 down-vote.

31.01.2020 14:21

Zoiks. Thanks for the info.

31.01.2020 14:25

If the downvoters rep is higher than yours, it comes down to how large the downvote to determine how much rep is loss, not how much rep they have.

31.01.2020 14:32

Are you suggesting that a downvoter with a rep of only 25, can have a serious impact on me with a reputation in the 30'3 or 40's? If so, that is completely contradictory to what the information on Steemit suggests. What a messed up system!

31.01.2020 14:42

No, as I said, "If the downvoters rep is higher than yours"

31.01.2020 14:48

OK! Then how can a member with a rep of only 25, down-vote and hide my post or comment, while at the same time cause my reputation to drop by several points? Yes, that IS happening!

31.01.2020 15:03

They can't.

Your rep went down because Bullionstackers and The-Reef flagged you, both with higher rep than you.

While I don't know why you were flagged, I know Bullionstackers is a comment farmer and a troll.

31.01.2020 15:14

"They can't."

They most certain can! The ONLY down-vote I received on my last post was from @block-power, and yet the post was still hidden, and my reputation dropped.

" I know Bullionstackers is a comment farmer and a troll."

Then why is he still allowed to be on Steemit? It's members like that who are turning Steemit into such as cesspool, resulting in new members leaving as fast as they come, and ever older members to call it quits and leave. Shut his account down! It will make things much better for the rest of us. No one wants a scumbag like that.

31.01.2020 15:21

Your rep didn't drop from your latest post, it was from the other flags.

Steem is decentralized, no one can kick anyone off. You can downvote them and in extreme situations they can be hidden from the Steemit UI but still visible on other front ends.

The sad fact is we have a lot of unstable immature people here and there is no way to do anything about it.

31.01.2020 15:23

"Your rep didn't drop from your latest post, it was from the other flags (on comments I believe)."

Ok, then how could @block-power's 1 downvote cause my post to be hidden when I already had 3 upvotes?

"The sad fact is we have a lot of unstable immature people here and there is no way to do anything about it.

That fact would certainly confirm some of my earlier comments about Steemit being such a poorly designed system. No wonder it is next to impossible for the platform to grow, and retain members. Obviously the Steemit platform's designers were not too bright that they could not see that coming. Now the platform is infested with a few whales who act as if they own it, and at the same time make all the money, while the rest of us make virtually nothing. I think it's time to shut Steemit down, and start again, perhaps this time by people with a better ability to think outside the box.

31.01.2020 15:35

It shouldn't @starworld unless they FUBAR-ed the code.

31.01.2020 14:17

I'll talk to @bullionstackers and see if we can get this sorted. I don't know what you did to incur his wrath. Maybe he has a good reason but won't know until I look into it further.

31.01.2020 14:21

Indeed! I can think of nothing which would bring on such wrath from any other member. And besides, even if I did upset him or anyone else with a particular post or comment, do you really think that gives them the right to go back and down-vote numerous other posts and comments, all of which had nothing to do with the same topic...even very positive comments about photos, food, places, etc. have been down-voted by the following members for no reason what-so-ever except a clear hate for me.




@the-reef (AKA @block-power)

@block-power (AKA @the-reef)


Quite frankly, those members should have their Steemit accounts removed without delay, if for no other reasons, than system abuse (as clearly outlined) and for denial of service to other members.

31.01.2020 14:30

...and no one seems to care enough to do anything about it.

Well, I'm freeing-up some steem-power to delegate to @freezepeach and I'm trying to encourage others to do the same. Even a delegation of 1 steem-power would go a long way to showing token support for their efforts to protect "the little guys".

31.01.2020 14:23

Denied. I see libel.

31.01.2020 16:14

Thank you for your time and consideration.

31.01.2020 19:15

Exactly. Downvoting just to be seen doing it, that's the most stupid thing I saw an Steem. And there are a lot... well... we all know what I mean ;)

27.01.2020 11:24

That's one of the reason I stay away from the downvote war if possible. Everyone has a role here and I think one should do what is most effective and works for themselve, to make Steem a better place for everyone.

27.01.2020 16:20

That downvote was uncalled for. They are supposed to be meant for spam, hate speech, and the like aren't they? Not simply because someone disagrees with you. I'm as mad as you are.

26.01.2020 16:32
26.01.2020 17:34

Well... A downvote simply means "I don't think you should get rewards". Why you think that - you have to decide.

27.01.2020 11:25

Thanks @proto26, I'm passed the mad stage now, just have to accept there are idiots in this world, in real life and in the virtual world.

Thanks for dropping by, appreciate it

27.01.2020 16:23

Indeed! You may wish to read my latest post, much along the same lines...


Why can't someone do something about this crap?

26.01.2020 17:32

Sounds like misinformation. You must have done something questionable to get downvoted by any of those accounts.

27.01.2020 22:12

"You must have done something questionable to get downvoted by any of those accounts."

Obviously you have not fully read what I wrote! There are many many Steemit members with the same or similar complaints. The forums are filled with such complaints.

We (and I think I speak for many Steemit members) have done absolutely nothing wrong (questionable). That is the whole point! Steemit has become infested with a group of long-time members who think that they own the forums, and will down-vote anyone who writes anything that they do not agree with. Once they target a user, they will then go back and down-vote almost everything from that user. They are nothing more than a bunch of scumbags, who if allowed to remain, will no doubt be the cause of Steemit's demise.

28.01.2020 03:03

Doubt it. But okay.

28.01.2020 03:59

Wow, It's very surprising and a complete misunderstanding for my part. It's really a shame to see how Steemit is advancing and evolving in downvotes and it's nonsense. The most shame is when we newbies have paid the price for nothing it's sad instead of just explaining.

26.01.2020 18:34

Don't worry @misschance, Steemit is not as bad as it sounds, I guess I was just unlucky. At least I am glad I can take the hit (unless he takes his craziness to another level) so rather me than newbies. Don't get demotivated by all this nonense.

27.01.2020 15:48

Yes, I hope not to be targeted and I do not demotivate myself Steemit is the future :)

28.01.2020 18:30

Yes, I agree use of downvotes to force opinions on others is super wrong. I was not a fan of the last hardfork, and now downvotes are doing exactly what I thought they would do to quality posts. They are reducing their rewards and visibility. People are becoming blacklisted as well, with challenging/unfair hurdles set by the blacklister to be removed.

I am 100% guilty of not downvoting often too. When I downvote, I always comment why, and I always offer to compromise or change the downvote if the author is being considerate and honest. There is no rule that each account holder has to police and downvote daily. To enforce a made up rule for manditory slave labor and conformity is an abuse of power.

I can tell engagement with comments has great value to your posts, so I think that posts like this should be encouraged. Rewards from posts like this are benefitting small curators, which is hugely important to our steem ecosystem to grow strong and healthy.

26.01.2020 19:46

I tend to write a comment why that post/behaviour might lead to down votes. Often these Steemians didn't know that what they were doing was wrong or not accepted. Always better trying that first before flagging without telling why.

27.01.2020 11:29

Totally agree with you, Steemit can be daunting even for those who have been around for a while and many still make mistakes or aren't aware that what they say may be in appropriate.

27.01.2020 15:56

I wanted to downvote a bad story, did not downvote, but told the author it's downvote worthy... I am also afraid of downvoting other's post, they might take revenge and downvote you back anyway... that's not cool...yawns...who knows some whale downvotes my quality post tommorow): , insecure...

27.01.2020 14:46

I am 100% guilty of not downvoting often too.

Please don't say this @creativetruth, no one should be guilty of not downvoting enough or not downvoting at all - that was exactly what I was "accused" of. You should only downvote when you feel a post justifies it, and if there is none then that's fine. It's actually good because that means Steemit is healthy.

I certainly agree with your comment about engagement, and that I do admit being guilty of not doing enough. Throwing a post out on the blockchain and collecting the rewards 7 days later is of course financially nice, but it does little to grow the community if there is no engagement when everyone is sitting in silo.

27.01.2020 15:42

!engage 30

27.01.2020 15:54

I think I've down voted maybe 3 posts in 4 years. I tend to down vote blatant spam or people seriously abusing the system. Just let it go. It's their karma not yours. Just keep doing you, most times those people are just looking for a reaction. If you feel something is worthy of a down vote, then by all means it's your right. Don't feel obligated though if it's not in your personality.

Happy New Year!

26.01.2020 23:37

Same here, I've probably downvoted a handful of times since I've been here. There are a lot of shit posts around but my downvote won't make any difference to them, so there are just things you learn to live with, even though it's not ideal.

Thanks for dropping by.

!engage 20

27.01.2020 16:00

Wow, this is incredibly stupid. Thanks for sharing. There's probably something to learn about here for everyone, @likwid included. Thanks to @creativeblue letting @logiczombie now via "spam memo" ;) When I visited your blog today I went there out of curiosity. Good thing! Let's give some kudos here... @tipu curate

27.01.2020 03:40
27.01.2020 03:41

Thank you for bringing this to my attention @livinguktaiwan. Apparently some of my rented voting power on Minnow Support was used to upvote their post, unaware to me. For @transisto and @likwid to abuse the beneficiary reward features for personal gain is - while not surprising - a dangerously abusive stance to take for the future of Steem.

Even more atrocious yet, is to take the stance that down voting at random (including plenty of quality content) is a stakeholder's responsibility. That is skewed at best. You may be able to argue that down voting inappropriate content is warranted and even necessary, but to indiscriminately abuse your Steem Power is tyrannical.

For what it is worth, his post received a 100% down vote from me just now. I encourage others, whales to minnows, to also take action. This platform doesn't belong to tyrannical whales, and if it does, then I will no longer support it.

27.01.2020 05:24

The problem is that deep down at the roots is a good idea: we have free downvotes and they are there to be used. But every Steemian has to decide for themselves whether they use it and when.

27.01.2020 11:31

Totally agree, and how one uses their voting power is their own business, they should not be dictated by someone else

27.01.2020 16:52

That is the bottom line.

30.01.2020 02:14

Thanks @tunnelrat, I really appreciate your response.

Downvote does have it's place here as Steemit is far from perfect as we all know, with all the shit post and abuse going on. Ultimately its up to the community to come together and make this a better place and to for Steem to grow. I'm somewhat overwhelmed by the response here and am grateful to know that there are still so many people who care about Steemit despite the Steem price.

27.01.2020 16:51

Agreed. Systems will always be abused, which is why they need to be improved. Thanks for bringing up this topic, it takes more guts the more you have invested.

30.01.2020 02:18

Thanks for sharing! Sorry that this happened to you. It is one of the most absurd excuse or reasoning I've ever seen.

27.01.2020 07:08

Thanks @wittywheat. It's beggars belief some of the things people do here. I'm sure we'll see even more absurd things in the future, but hopefully it won't deter any of us.

27.01.2020 16:57

Kindergarten... Well, I started in August 18 and have to say: "terrible two" tantrums are a special of quite some high rollers ;)

27.01.2020 11:19

I found this via @creativeblue and I think it's disgusting what these trolls are doing.
They like to paint themselves as 'good actors' but are in fact 'bad actors'.
I fail to see how upvote bots are worse that downvote bots; it's hypocrisy.
They are the enemy of Steem's mission of mass adoption.

27.01.2020 11:21

I disagree with the whole premise that it's a "bad act" to downvote/flag. If you are standing by and watching a woman get beat.... don't you deserve to be beaten yourself for it? When you could have helped the woman, but didn't? In my personal opinion, indifference is just as bad as abuse. You have been given a personal ability to choose to combat/counter rewards where you see fit, and you just sit on your ass with it. Obviously it's not a requirement to do so, just like it isn't a requirement to help the woman who's being beat. The question is, are you really as self-righteous as you make yourself out to be, because you don't flag people? Also, do you have such little faith/wavering faith, that you actually believe flags will drive people away? I politely disagree with that narrative as well. I got flagged almost instantly after I joined. **I reached out to the community here. I got help. People cared. Actually, @berniesanders, of all people, was the one to help assist me when I was flagged for no reason other than someone was having a bad day and decided to flag anyone who interacted with bernie.

I think the real issue is that people complain too fucking much about what other people do with their stake. If you don't like it, there's a door, but this is ultimately what we sign up for the moment we create an account and whether the flags have been free or not, they've always been around and people have always seemingly used them in nonsensical and malicious ways.

What are you even basing your accusation on anyways @livingkutaiwan? How do you even know people are leaving steem in any measurable amount? Account activity? Because I'm sure a LOT of that is down now that bots have been countered more successfully than ever before. If that's what you're basing it on, then you're extremely misguided. I, myself, joined this place within the last 230~ days. Considering it's been around much longer than I'd ever realized, I am "new" here and there continue to be new, real users. The bots dying off is why there is so much less activity, it's not because people are "leaving" this place. I find it funny how everyone who "leaves" seems to come back inevitably. As much as people run their mouths about how terrible this place is, they seem to stick around like glue. Smh.

27.01.2020 17:29

If I were to start being flagged on my posts, over not using my flagging power, I'd start to use it on things I disagreed with. Not a complicated concept and sure, you shouldn't "have to" but neither should other people "have to" not flag you, either. Complaining about other people's blockchain RIGHTS, gets us nowhere. It is simply a cry of anger and emotion and it doesn't help at all. The post talks about "children" but children ARE the ones who bitch and cry when shit doesn't go their way. Those are the facts and that is what's happening here. You were given a simple choice, use your flagging power to fight some abuse, or be flagged yourself. You CHOSE the latter, it was not forced upon you. You were given a choice. People just don't seem to like the consequences of their CHOICES. It's sad. Grow the fuck up. Complaining about free money in the first place makes you look stupid. Smfh.

27.01.2020 17:32

Also: Now that I have spoken on this topic, and do not use my flag power, I fully expect someone to exercise their blockchain right to flag my posts until I start to use it. Guess who WON'T be bitching about it tho. ;)

27.01.2020 17:34

It's not their choice when they are forced to choose only the options forced upon them by someone who isnt in a place to set rules. That isnt choice. This isn't "Free Money", people invest their time and finances into this platform. You are literally complaining about someone's RIGHT to complain on their blog on a blockchain... Grow the fuck up.

27.01.2020 21:24

Says someone with no obvious intelligence. That's rich.

Nothing in life is a choice, by that dumb ass logic. Smh.

We didn't choose to be here, but we choose to stay (or not). We don't choose to have to work, it is forced upon us. Those are not choices, those are situations. Same as this. It is a situation, with choices. Just because they aren't the choices you WANT does not mean they are not choices. I used the perfect analogy, because it's exactly the same thing. Someone using their power in a way they have a right to. They have a right to flag if they feel that it's damaging for people to not flag when they're given free flags. To make the point that we aren't choosing to be forced to make the decision, is irrelevant. Choices are still there, no choices were removed, only options. The same as anything else in life. It sounds like you're a crying little bitch. You're the one who definitely needs to grow up. Fucking pathetic.

29.01.2020 06:47

Lol..nice come back..what ya got next? I'm rubber and you're glue? Then some more of your bullshit circular logic and a dash of name calling? Grow the fuck up. Maybe Steem is too much for you to handle like a grown up. LMFAO

29.01.2020 07:14

Haha. What a fucking bitch. You're pathetic. Your low IQ attempts to insult me were just pathetic. Like your life. Circular logic. lol. Coming from your stupid ass. That's rich. Steem is fine for me. :) I share things I like.

Seems the snowflake here is you, not I. YOU are the one crying like a little bitch because someone chose an option available to them and it happened to inconvenience someone else slightly, so they cried about it like a little bitch, and you're continuing on, BITCHING like a little bitch, about it. Talk about circular, your logic means you are a little bitch, since you're bitching about someone using their power how they saw fit. Cry some more, pathetic fucking baby. lol. :)

02.02.2020 10:30

Dude you debate like a grade school student. Grow up then come back to Steem. You're bitching about someone bitching about someone being a dick and others discussing the pros and cons of it and doing it like a child. "They don't agree with me....so I'm gonna cry like a bitch and call them names and while I'm crying I'm gonna call them a bitch to try and swing it like I'm not the actual little bitch" - Lookplz.

02.02.2020 20:10

But please continue to act like a little bitch because you debate like child and no one agreed with you. Boo hoo hoo.

02.02.2020 20:11

Better to be called a bitch over using selective words to describe you perfectly, than to be a little bitch who cries because of someone flagging me and using their stake how they want. :) You are pathetic. ;) Cry more you little fucking pussy! LMFAO!

05.02.2020 22:58

Is this snowflake still melting and making up stats that they have no access to? Lol.

02.02.2020 20:18

02.02.2020 20:21

This person doesn't seem to be able to grasp that we all know that people can do what they want with their SP, but that does not mean they aren't a piece of shit for attacking people for bullshit reasons, like nothing. And they sure don't seem to grasp that this jerk doing this negates the other person's right to do what they want with their SP. The asshole is saying, one person can do what they want with their SP but other people can't. That's not liberty. Someone is trying to stop another person's liberty with the use of Steem Power. Can they do this? Sure. Are they a big piece of shit who does not like freedom unless it's their own? Sounds like it.

02.02.2020 20:31

Eh, more of a piece of shit for crying like a little fucking bitch about it, imo. To be honest, it's making people show their true colors when they get flagged. Like you. Ugly on the inside as you are on the outside. You would probably otherwise be the pretender and suck dick for votes, but now that you've been flagged, it's triggered your tiny little mind. You're raging and spewing hatred and crying like a little fucking bitch over the flags and it's a bad look. Pretty fucking sad life you must have. I feel sorry for you. :(

05.02.2020 23:00

Yep. You're still a piece of shit crying.

06.02.2020 06:09

Says the little bitch who can't help but respond. ;) Cute. Dipshit.

07.02.2020 01:38

It'll be ok. Stop crying.

07.02.2020 02:03

How is it being so easily triggered?

07.02.2020 02:14

Maybe you're just more 8chan drainage the way you think.

29.01.2020 07:18

Also @crypto.piotr because that's who led me here by spamming people's wallets with shitty links (Annoying and shitty behavior. Might warrant some use of my flag power. Hmm..)

27.01.2020 17:36

That is a shit analogy. We are not talking people beating someone, we are talking about assholes downvoting for arbitrary reasons and forcing people to use an option they decided to opt out of. A voluntary option to downvote, when the users feels it is needed. Not a forced downvoting quota. This downvote fascists need to stay on gab or the ghosts of 8chan.

27.01.2020 21:17

"I fail to see how upvote bots are worse that downvote bots;" < -- THIS.

I said that on day one after the fork when the 'downvote without judging the content but just because they got an upvote from something they paid for" was only a murmur, but that murmur sure gained STEEM fast.. -- but you know what they say, sheep are quick to flock, and sheep are very dumb.. I pity this world.

Honestly, downvoting blindly is more of an abuse of the blockchain especially because generally an abusive shitpost gets found out, but it's rare that a punished decent post gets rescued.

Anywas, people are trying to boycott @likwid over this and on that front I just want to say in this case I am taking the stance that people can separate themselves from their business, especially when their business is not meant to represent them at all - in this case the business is a bot. Let's not grasp at straws here people. If something provides you with a service you enjoy, and it's completely removed from the enemy, I don't see any harm or fowl continuing to use a service you enjoy. Just saying.

It's like downvoting @likwid's posts just because they associated with a bidbot, but their posts were contributing positively to the blockchain (as does @likwid's service)..

30.01.2020 06:37

Thank you. I need my downvote power for when there are genuinely bad actors.
People shouldn't be punished by bots for having their downvote power at 100%. Crazy stuff.

30.01.2020 12:13

I am very sorry @livinguktaiwan , I hope that account does not downvote your post ever again. I am feeling scared now, like now actually): ...not correct to downvote post if its not a bad post you know. It's completely unfair!!

Anyway ... good day

27.01.2020 14:28

Thanks for your comment @mintymile. Please don't worry, bad things come and go, just hang in there.

By the way, I noticed you posted a few interesting travel posts recently. I curate for the @steemitworldmap, if you're not aware of us, please check out the account and how to pin your post on the Steemitworldmap. My work there is one of the things that keep me motivated on Steemit and to help worthy quality authors

27.01.2020 17:03

Thanks, @livinguktaiwan, I love your attitude. Thanks for giving me the @steemitworldmap details as well!!

29.01.2020 14:23

Annoying yes but some of the oldest users are some of the worst people here. Due to building up a lot of stake over the past few years they think that they can do what they like. Ignore it and keep doing what your doing.
Over time a lot of these larger accounts power down and with a greater distribution of STEEM the voting is going to be a lot more balanced.

27.01.2020 17:05

"Annoying yes but some of the oldest users are some of the worst people here. Due to building up a lot of stake over the past few years they think that they can do what they like."

That is exactly right! In fact, some of the biggest abusers of posting porn without the usual click warnings, does not come from newbies whom we could expect not to know better, but rather come from long-time members with high reputation ratings who think they own Steemit, and can do whatever they like with no one to stop them. Another reason why Steemit will likely not survive long term!

28.01.2020 00:56

I Leaved This Platform For These Motherfuckers. They Do Downvotes Without any reasons.

28.01.2020 01:13

Things will be seen, I have seen that you flageed when you are wrong, and it takes away all the rewards and not only the benefit of that mistake, which in my case was for using a label that I should not. I was penalized all the reward and even that of other people.

28.01.2020 03:31

We all get downvotes and you earn well. How come you only care now it takes 10% of your earnings and not if the little fish loose that and not even receive a payout or lose their rep within two days time?

Welcome in the world of Steem.

Posted using Partiko Android

28.01.2020 06:11

How did you know I didn't care before? Because I didn't write a post every time a little fish got downvoted?

If you read my post properly, my issue isn't about payout. People can upvote, downvote , remove or change their vote as they see fit, I have no control over that. My issue is people throwing their weight around, telling me what to do with my VP. That's none of their business. Even my mum doesn't get to tell me what to do and don't punish me when I dont listen to her.

28.01.2020 06:23

This is completely ridiculous @livinguktaiwan. I can't remember who called me over here, but I do have to concur with everyone who says it's your right to exercise your (down) vote. Or not. I get downvoted by (happily) fleas. So, it makes little if any impact. I did have a few massive downvotes and then I cashed in my SBI and that stopped. It raises another set of questions, though, doesn't it?

And, your question -

Since when did Steemit become a kindergarten?

It's not Steemit, so much, but the children who play on the platform. IMO.

28.01.2020 07:10

Thanks for dropping by @fionafavourites, really appreciate it.

I don't think anyone is immune to those annoying little fleas, just need to ignore them. A sad fact but a reality in this virtual world. And I heard about the SBI issue, it's a pity that innocent users like yourself was dragged into it. I'm glad it's stopped now, though probably not in the way you wanted it to.

Thanks and take care!

28.01.2020 13:09

No, nobody is immune and I've grown a hide ignoring them. Yes, I think the SBI issue is sad because the people most intended to benefit have been the collateral damage.

And you take care, too!

28.01.2020 13:13

"It's not Steemit, so much, but the children who play on the platform. IMO"

It may be the "children who play on the platform" but no one is really to blame except Steemit itself for designing such a screwed up system, which supports a few long-time whales (many of them complete assholes) at the expense of everyone else.

31.01.2020 14:56

Point taken

01.02.2020 04:22

"You are free to do as you want as long as you do what I want."

This seems to be the mentality of the whales around here. Which leads to the question:

  • How is this... Freedom?
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28.01.2020 16:51

You should follow the downvote trail @steemflagrewards runs?

Then you are being responsible while not having to give more than oversight on what you downvote.
If you don't think the post is abusive all you got to do is speak up.

If everybody did this the price might recover a little.

29.01.2020 06:29

That happens to me as well. The same reason: not downvoting others while I never bought votes or used bid-bots, but still getting downvotes on almost all my posts. The worst part was when I was downvoted with a big % which also cut a big part of my payout ..but then I thought about asking nicely for a reason, but never got a reply, just another 5 accounts of the same person who downvoted my post again. and again, and again..

30.01.2020 20:54

Oh! Has this stopped now?

01.02.2020 15:00

Steemit has always been a kindergarden. Flag him back. Maybe then he'll remove his flags.

Strange but true.

01.02.2020 04:38