To those who keep saying "proof-of-brain"...


To everyone that has been shouting at me about proof-of-brain, and specifically, how "bidbots break proof-of-brain". Please, stop for a second, head out to the real world, gain some perspective - do you even hear the words coming out of your mouth?

"Proof-of-brain" is an absolutely meaningless attempted-catchphrase invented by someone at Steemit Inc. Have you seen the Trending page on Steemit today? If this is proof of brain, then this is some kind of bizarre, highly corrupt, reptilian brain.

You could say, Steem is "proof-of-wealthy". Those who are rich here will dictate all terms and allocate all rewards. Period. There's no requirement for any brain activity, circlejerk all the way by licking whale balls.

And for those saying how bidbot activity is somehow worse than circlejerk... No, they are both abysmal. There's negligible point in discussing how one is 1.2/10 while the other is 1.0/10. It doesn't matter. (Indeed, I am guilty of this, for a long time calling the above a "marginal gain". I was wrong. It doesn't matter.) Go to any other social network or publishing platform, you have vibrant communities with engaging content discovered for you. Some of it is festering piles of shit, sure, but that's the vast majority view on Steem, not the outlier. The system has failed decisively, if you really care about Steem, it's more than time we collectively got our heads back out of our arses and radically change things for the better. No amount of delusion and hopium and incremental "upgrades" on a fundamentally broken platform will fix things. Indeed, that is the very definition of insanity.

End rant.

PS: Apologies to content creators. You have my utmost respect. I'm sure you will see my intention was going on a general rant.


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17.09.2019 06:01
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Thanks

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17.09.2019 06:10
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Wasn't it stellabelle who came up with Proof of brain?

17.09.2019 06:15
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Could very well be.

17.09.2019 06:54
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I'm on the goddamn trending page.

Show me the time I licked balls for that slot.

I fucking dare you.

You got over 18000 comments to dig through. You got 809 posts. Three fucking years of working my ass off. Hundreds if not thousands of images, all produced by me. Thousands of hours of work. Hundreds of thousands of words published. Out of all that. Show me the time I kissed anyone's ass for anything around here!

If you think all it takes is three years worth of festering SHIT and buttkissery to get anywhere around here, then take a damn good long look at what I've done, and call it SHIT and ass kissing to my goddamn face.

17.09.2019 06:17
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If anyone deserves trending, its you with your totally normal posts, not whacky or probably made on drugs. probably.

17.09.2019 06:39
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And on tomorrow's episode: @NoNamesLeftToUse scoops his brain out with a spoon!

17.09.2019 07:05
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Good job dude :D
Im proud of you :)

17.09.2019 06:39
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And I like monkeys!

17.09.2019 07:06
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Hats off to you, Sir!

17.09.2019 06:53
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Have you seen the Trending page on Steemit today? If this is proof of brain, then this is some kind of bizarre, highly corrupt, reptilian brain.

NoNamesLeftToUse - Its A Girl.jpeg

Would you believe a normal brain made that?

17.09.2019 07:04
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Never! :D ape.gif

17.09.2019 07:12
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Yes.

17.09.2019 07:14
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Good. Some people like this stuff I do.

Sure, it pisses me off a touch when someone comes along just to throw me under the bus like that. I'll survive! There's no need to insult the integrity of those who support my work. Some of these folks have had my back for years. They did nothing wrong.

17.09.2019 07:21
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No one's throwing you under any bus. I'm sure you don't remember, but I was one of the earliest people to discover and curate your content, and respect your work here.

I obviously made a general rant, and for every rule there's the exception. There may be one or two good posts on Trending, but I'm sure you'll see where I'm coming from when I rant about how most of it is shit.

17.09.2019 08:22
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I remember.

I'd like to see more entertainment and variety on the trending page. Things that would appeal to more people, including outsiders looking in. There were big changes recently. It's still fresh. We'll see Steem only content like this for awhile, then the honeymoon will be over and we can get down to brass tacks. You can only have one "this bidbot now votes" post and we all know that doesn't make sense to an outsider, but apparently, that made people excited and the post became popular. Soon that'll be gone. Soon all the posts about the changes won't exist and that stuff will be replaced with whatever else.

Too soon, @liberosist. I put up with a lot of shit here over the past two years. Shit posts with paid votes gaining fake trending status meant none of us actual content producers could get anywhere here. I waited over two years to see some kind of change. Anything was better than nothing. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks and allowing things to settle down before assessing the situation. For now, a lot of people are working towards something many in the community wanted for a long time. This effort so far has led to a lot of positive change for many people and the momentum is growing. Nobody was expecting perfection straight out of the gates.

Yes, you made a general rant I just so happened to be in the crossfire. Someone who doesn't know any better sees your post, then sees me on the trending page and guess what? Suddenly I'm the bad guy, yet I did nothing wrong.

17.09.2019 09:10
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I have left a clarification and an apology. I hope it's clear now that I don't see any content creator as bad guys.

It was just a bad rant. I thought "licking whale balls" is a funny visual, and I went with it.

17.09.2019 09:21
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No need to apologize. I stand up for myself. It's a bad habit I just can't seem to shake. I've written plenty of rants as well. Nobody's perfect. Whatever. Try to have a good day.

17.09.2019 09:34
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I don't think he's talking about your post on trending tho.

17.09.2019 09:41
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Nope. It's Nothing.

17.09.2019 09:51
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Actually nothing is on trending, don’t worry!

17.09.2019 09:57
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Yes. Because I made Nothing.

17.09.2019 10:06
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If you didn't lick balls, you either: had rich friends or paid for the spot, or got very lucky.

17.09.2019 10:39
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No. I started with nothing. I didn't know anyone. Then I worked my ass off.

I didn't pay for the spot. I don't buy votes. You can read SEVERAL posts of mine indicating plenty of reasons why I don't buy votes.

If I'm lucky, wtf am I doing here? Shouldn't I be out playing the lottery?

Can you not give ONE content producer credit? This is what pisses me off the most about this place. Assholes come along and always downplay the efforts of those who made something of this place. It's always something else. If you want to ignore ALL of that work I put into this blog and ignore all of the engagement, fine. Be ignorant. "Rich friends." You can simply SCROLL down and see quite a few posts with very low rewards. Why not try something like that before being a dickhead? Hmm? Why not look before putting your foot in your mouth.

17.09.2019 10:55
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If I'm lucky, wtf am I doing here?

Good question

18.09.2019 22:13
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Would you prefer I wasn't here?

18.09.2019 22:31
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I don't care either way

19.09.2019 12:40
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You do, though.

19.09.2019 18:49
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he does, he's just licked to many balls and forgot how to say what he really thinks, it's due to months of not years of ball licking anti-gag reflex training

i think you definitely should, or shouldn't, yeah fcukit... i admit i care either way

28.09.2019 13:06
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hey! ball licking is an art form too.....literally of course

28.09.2019 13:00
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Its a simple fix I stated before. Steem should limit people voting for a particular person like 3 times a week. Maybe once a week, five times a week or whatever lol

It will make the curator curate other authors.

Just an idea

17.09.2019 06:20
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Dude..
I cant even find enough stuff to vote without dumb rules like these..
Just cuz many of my favorite authors stopped Posting after the last great fix.. ^^

17.09.2019 06:41
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That is not possible because it is decentralized. Anyone can vote by proxy or have multiple accounts at anytime.

17.09.2019 07:00
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It can be voted in by witnesses and that’s why we have #new steem to curb bad actors.

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17.09.2019 08:43
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You neglect that some users have thousands of accounts. All your proposal would do is make them more powerful relative to normal users.

18.09.2019 05:30
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We still have a long way to go.. but it’s improving. Circle jerks are just as bad as bidbots and if anyone says otherwise they are lying to themselves.

But what you are doing here is blanketing all authors that are seen as “popular” are either circle jerking or licking whale balls. Which is not the case and short sighted on your part. So remove your own head from your ass.

Many are working to make this place better, unfortunately many others are so used to the money grab that they just can’t help themselves. Even going as far as convincing themselves they are the good guys.. it’s amazing what money and greed will do to people.

We need to work to make this place more about community and less about money.. but considering our tools and front ends are not exactly intuitive to that just yet.. it’s not shocking that many are just sticking around for an upvote. BUT.. I think many more are here because they see something special and it’s our job to pinpoint that and make that the new culture.

Stop acting helpless - You have been the leader of one of the most well known projects on this platform for years. Slap yourself, wake the hell up and be apart of this change you are so desperate to see.

Otherwise you are no better than those who piss you off so much.

You know where to find me when this rant motivates you to do something.. my rants generally always eventually motivate me to do something.. even if it’s just to not rage quit today.

17.09.2019 07:16
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I apologise, I didn't mean any disrespect to any content creators. I have edited in that apology to the post, and I'm sure you'll see that I didn't mean like so. Perhaps it's a language barrier or cultural disconnect, but I don't feel it's necessary to demarcate every exception to the rule to express an opinion about an overall situation; at the same time, I totally understand where you're coming from, so yeah, sorry.

Anyway, you didn't have to respond in detail to some shitty rant, lol. I appreciate it regardless, but if you want to make this about community and not money, you should change the protocols to reflect that. Right now, with stake-weighted voting and high inflation, it's all about money. That was the whole point of my rant.

And yeah, you're absolutely right, my time on Steem has been the greatest failure of my life. I recognised that, and moved on back to things I'm better at and enjoy vastly more. Still, I have nostalgia for Steem, and still hope some day years down the line it can find a sustainable niche for itself, so I'll be hanging around here off and on, the occasional rant or two. :)

17.09.2019 08:55
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I love rants, and I respect you.. it’s why I felt the need to kick you in the ass rather than roll my eyes and move along. As I know you care and I know you get it.. and I also know you are damn frustrated and I don’t blame you one bit.

No apology needed, just pointing out what I felt was an unintended oversight in your words. You know me, I don’t know when to keep my mouth shut 😉

Btw, some of my rants are my most popular posts.. keep the rants coming .. and my DM is still alwayys open.. as I don’t think what you have done here is a failure.

17.09.2019 09:02
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It's probably better to roll your eyes, leave some snarky comment and move on. I'm a lost cause, lol. Unfortunately, Steem has to improve dramatically (replace stake-weighted voting, remove SBD, release SMTs, Communities, remove Steem Power, etc. etc.) for me to take it seriously again.

To be clear, it's a personal thing. I'm far happier doing other things away from Steem. I'm aware that my work and those I collaborated with in 2016 were crucial to Steem's evolution, and I have no regrets. But don't bother kicking me until the above expectations have been met. When all of that happens, I would be happy to be active again.

Till then, it's going to be the irrational, nostalgia-driven, rant-filled trip!

17.09.2019 09:15
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I’m still going to kick you and randomly nag you.. it’s just what I do.

But I do understand and respect that you are doing other things that make you happy while also still feeling a connection to this place. Not sure what it is about it... I’ve tried to rage quit so many times and just can’t do it 🤷‍♀️ So I understand the pull.

Anyways I’ll leave you be and stop my ramblings... have a good one.

looking forward to your next rant.

17.09.2019 09:19
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Haha, there isn't going to be another rant for a very long time. But I'll continue observing Steem, of course.

17.09.2019 09:30
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Lol I hate the Proof of X rhetoric, it's so lame.

17.09.2019 07:51
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Pretty much, and you can see it in the general design of Steem, lol. Everything is way over-complicated for no good reason. It's almost like the people who built this social network haven't interacted socially with other people...

17.09.2019 08:44
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Do you think crypto nerds have friends and social interaction in real life? They don't.

17.09.2019 09:25
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Since the last Hardfork i Downvote the Trending Page. (Selfvotes, Bidbotvotes, No 100 Dollar worth Posts) That is my kind of broof of brain. But the Risk for getting a "answer" from this big Players is very high for little users. This is just the kind of the system we do use it. The System is Ok, but Humanity is like a little Child. I like your Post. There is a lot of truth in it.
Salve Alucian

Edit say:I like Bitbots if they are used like yours. Without a Payout. ;-)

17.09.2019 08:16
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I have never used a bidbot. No idea who or why anyone voted for this!

17.09.2019 08:49
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I think you should watch this:

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@steem.marketing/the-steemit-podcast-interview-w-justinw-and-vandeberg

big changes coming to steem. communities and smts will be big and all of your concerns will disappear.

17.09.2019 08:17
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Lol, I've been hearing this since 2016. It's always that one...big...thing... that'll transform Steem, cure all of Steem's woes and onboard the masses. In 2016 it was the new economics; in 2017 it was fairer reward curves; in 2018 it was RC; in 2019 it's EIP and SPS; in 2020 (?) it's SMT. Actually, SMT was supposed to be "early 2018" and Communities "by the end of Q2 2017", lol. I don't doubt that all of these are helping turn a 0.5/10 product into a 1.5/10 product, but it's so far away from a functioning social network.

Anyway, you've been telling me the same thing since 2017, and likewise, I've been telling you the same. So let's not keep beating the dead horse. Call me when Steem is a good social platform that is competitive with Reddit.

That said, I'm looking forward to Communities. Or, should I say, I have been looking forward to it since 2016.

17.09.2019 09:06
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This time it is happening:) A little bit more patience is required. In the meantime we do the best with what we have.

17.09.2019 09:48
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Well, I admire your optimism and perseverance. Hope it all works out... Some day, or decade.

17.09.2019 09:54
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This is basically right but the management changes seem to have been somewhat of an improvement from what was a rolling dumpster fire. Now it is only a minor shitshow perhaps.

We'll see.

21.09.2019 04:01
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Please think several times before you forward any of the steemit announcement or shilling, we already have had too much of it and one of the reasons for frustration. It doesn't make a sense at all. Do you think we are that much of dumb?? I personally started to take them as a joke. No offense.

18.09.2019 16:59
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You should watch the video. You may find it interesting and it might change your mind.

19.09.2019 03:31
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lol same SMT bullshits? sorry I don't want to hear about it anymore. Tell me when it finally comes into reality then we may talk about it. these guys never feel ashamed talking the same shit again again

19.09.2019 07:46
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circlejerk all the way by licking whale balls

good reason to buy a ship load of steem :)

17.09.2019 08:22
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Looking for some lickers are you? 😂

17.09.2019 09:04
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hahaha, not yet

17.09.2019 09:10
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To tell you the truth, I considered it. But there are simply better projects out there, and didn't feel like taking a risk. I don't doubt that Steem price will go up at some point (and down again).

17.09.2019 09:19
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"Proof of Brain", bidbots and "New Steem" logo: All the same shit.

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17.09.2019 10:45
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Trending = proof of nepotism

17.09.2019 11:27
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Have you seen the Trending page on Steemit today? If this is proof of brain, then this is some kind of bizarre, highly corrupt, reptilian brain.

🤣

All well-tated. 👏

17.09.2019 13:34
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Login: Username + Email + 12 seconds on slow internet = done.

Problem solved

17.09.2019 16:03
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Steem is not Steemit. Interfacing with the blockchain isn't limitable in that way.

18.09.2019 05:33
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I know Steem is not Steemit. I'm just pointing out a fundamental flaw that is the major obstacle preventing any hope of mass adoption and thus a perpetuation of circle jerking. Whether or not its practical or even feasible is irrelevant to me. This is how people expect things to function in 2019, not 'sign up within a week, pay, or contact somebody with crypto that can go through a service for 25 cents, then they have to delegate currency to you otherwise you can't p ost anything for a while' or whatever.

We'll never see a thriving blockchain without that (I know steempress and indeed we are working our best on ways around it)

18.09.2019 05:57
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You're totally right, and unfortunately, it's not possible on a blockchain to replicate the experience standards set by the likes of Reddit, Twitter, Medium etc. A partial solution, as you pointed out, is to build centralized frontends on top of the blockchain. That can effectively solve the user accounts, moderation and curation problems. However, that will still be far behind on performance and scalability, as one has to rely on the very slow and extremely inefficient Steem blockchain.

18.09.2019 07:03
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Honestly, I don't think the laggy platform matters a lot to new users, or users thinking about coming here. It's the savage profiteering and opinion flagging that drives them away withal. It's we who have tolerated those and remain here that care about UI. People will put up with blockchain speed if it comes with the rewards blockchain promises to deliver.

Steem hasn't delivered, so people haven't put up with it.

18.09.2019 07:33
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Yes, of course, there are bigger issues, but technical performance and scalability is a significant one. It's not the lagginess that's the bigger concern, it's the scalability. Right now, to the end user, it's fine - there are only a few thousand active users, and you only need to have a few SP to be active. But imagine if it goes up to hundreds of millions levels of activity - it'll cost a pretty penny just to make votes and comments. Not to mention, even after MIRA and other improvements, and despite very limited activity only 3.5 years into this, it still takes an entire week to replay a Steem blockchain node. You can see how scalability is a very real challenge that makes social networks ill-suited to blockchain.

18.09.2019 08:22
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There are protocols that make replaying the entirety of the blockchain unnecessary while still enabling confirmation of the data, gossip about gossip is one, and recently another method of hashing has arisen. By using such protocols, very low latency nodes are potential, and greatly enable scalability.

I'm not a dev, so my grasp of the cutting edge may not be relied on. I do note that technical advance eventuates, and expect it in this field as it ubiquitously impacts all. These are not the limiting factor anyway, as there's no need to scale up unless gaining users actually happens.

As long as automobiles were hand cranked failure prone devices limited to <60 mph speeds there was no need for highways. Until the social platform potentiates demand, scaling will not be demanded. Regardless of chickens and eggs, both problems require solution for Steem to survive.

18.09.2019 20:01
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I'm sure there are ideas, but it takes years to develop. Steemit Inc spent most of 2017 and 2018 focusing on scalability, which is why there were no major updates in the last 2 years. A hardfork with major protocol updates used to be every 3 months before, then it stopped while they focused on a broad range of scalability solutions - RocksDB, RC, MIRA etc. Scalability always comes before adoption, this is absolutely not a "chicken & egg" problem.

And to what end? Reddit, Twitter, Medium etc can already handle a million times greater activity. Why even bother? I wrote about this before: https://goldvoice.club/steem/@liberosist/why-blockchain-social

19.09.2019 05:27
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it still takes an entire week to replay a bare minimum Steem blockchain node

Not when configured as recommended for a minimum (witness/consensus node). It takes about 5-8 hours on a low end system except with 64 GB of RAM (a memory requirement that is designed to increase relatively slowly even under heavier use).

MIRA allows running in less RAM but with much worse replay time, an optional tradeoff.

Full nodes are slower but still only a day or so with good hardware. Again, tradeoffs between cost and time exist but are optional.

So far it is still workable, and could still scale somewhat while remaining workable, while the developers still plod along at making improvements. How their pace of progress will go from here on out I don't know.

21.09.2019 03:59
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Well, there is a way to end bidbots, circlejerks, and self voting whales. The Huey Long algorithm. End the profitability of profiteering, and end the extraction of rewards that should be going to content creators.

Enable content to deliver rewards to creators, and thereby market Steem with that content, while removing the objectionable unfairness that has driven so many away from the platform, and a complete reversal of the current plunge in users, market cap, and token price may become possible.

At least tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of ordinary people navigated the shoals of delayed gratification to get on Steem, only to be driven away. If what drove them away is instead driven away, new users may come, and if enough of them do to raise the token price, even old ones may come back.

That's what it will take though.

18.09.2019 07:30
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Is it really that difficult to get an account nowadays? I myself was not bothered back then. I waited a couple of days, no big deal. What is it with payment and the inability to post? What was concretely changed? I know my friend agmoore did not mention any of that, she created a second account some months ago.

... Why the hurry? Why do we need the masses fast? ...

I hear different views on that "getting an account" procedure. When everything is free and fast it will be one day facebook or twitter. I wouldn't want that, for my part. I'd like to see a different social media where the crowd shows a different/unusual/so far not perceived mind and learns to organize in a new way.

19.09.2019 19:11
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Proof of brain was a dumb slogan and never made much sense.

The idea is to allocate rewards to people who bring value to Steem, which is a collaborative process of stakeholders. (I'm not making up this goal now, it was literally stated in the original pre-launch white paper). 'Stakeholders' and not 'users', because it is stakeholders (or wealth as you somewhat snarkily call it) who are, at least under the current inflation-funded system,. paying for all of the rewards, so it is stakeholders who get to decide where those rewards go.

Bid bots, vote buying/selling/treading, circle voting, self-voting all break this ability to collaboratively reward valuable contributions, which are supposed to feed back into making Steem grow and improve.

Now that we have made at least some basic game theory improvements that were obviously needed years ago, perhaps we'll see some improvement in the outcomes. It might not be the system or outcomes that everyone wants to expects but it should, hopefully, at least be somewhat functionally better.

21.09.2019 04:06
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Fair enough. I hope too that it is functionally better, I do feel it'll be in a very niche community that it is now, but have doubts it'll scale to critical mass when deindividuation kicks in and abuse fighting fails to scale beyond the very top of Trending. Granted, critical mass feels so far off, it doesn't really matter right now, any improvement is better than nothing. But, for me, it's simply not enough, and a "marginal gain" at best.

As I've expressed several times before over the years, the current paradigm is simply not for me. Of course, I respect everyone such a system does work for, but I'm sure most will see inflation-funding is simply not sustainable, and plutocratic rule doesn't make it any better - particularly when crypto is tending to consolidate around proven and (relatively) decentralized markets like BTC and ETH; and the stated goal of building an economy around Steem is over.

Whilst simply leaving the platform is the easiest solution, and I've done so to a great extent, I'll exercise my right to rant about this a couple of times every year, with the hope that Steem will pivot to a more democratic and sustainable model over time.

21.09.2019 04:55
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A very reasonable perspective.

21.09.2019 05:15
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when you left, where did you go?

any other plans than waiting?

how about a community fork, finally?

25.09.2019 16:22
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I meant, I was one of the most active users of Steem between mid-2016 and mid-2017. I've gradually reduced my activity to "very occasional" because this is by far the worst social network on the internet, and people here are content with the current paradigm, only looking to make minor, insignificant changes. Obviously, this is not the right social network for me, so I'm no longer an active user.

26.09.2019 06:07
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Have you found some which fits you better?

26.09.2019 06:47
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Literally everything is better.

27.09.2019 04:13
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Have you seen the Trending page on Steemit today? If this is proof of brain, then this is some kind of bizarre, highly corrupt, reptilian brain.

Not sure why you used "reptilian" but whatever..... Lol

It is proof of brain and it is somewhat corrupt.
I will, well not yell, but say "proof of brain" is important and is better then what we had.

It is proof of brain even though the brain is stupid.
You maybe arent refering to our convos in the beggining of this post but i think i can see some of what i said in that.

Ive written posts about the lack of variety, the corruption and the "stupidity of the brain", the failures of mob decision making in a plutocratic system we have here but i will stand behind the claim that this is better then what we had before.
What ill never say is that this is "good" what we see now.

This imo is not the final goal what we see. We will have to fight much more to take steem content placement to a decent level of quality.

But before any of that can happen, bots needed to be eliminated.

Those that say: "We got rid of bots.. Its all good now."
.... are fools.

Steem is "proof-of-wealthy". Those who are rich here will dictate all terms and allocate all rewards.

Yes. This is absolutely true.
Thats what we signed up for.
What youre saying basically is akin to walking into a gay bar and saying:
"Goddammit why is everyone a homosexual here!"
Well you should have known that when you walked into a bar called "The Manhole."

The system has failed decisively, if you really care about Steem, it's more than time we collectively got our heads back out of our arses and radically change things for the better.

Agreed. But you have to start somewhere. Ive had complaints basically stating: "Why arent you happy with things. Its getting better."

Ill admit that its getting slightly better but in no way whatsoever should we be happy with the current situation.

The things is that while we might agree on basically everything i take a different approach then you do.

Maybe you should rethink your approach if you indeed want to be a parr of Steem as you say you do.

21.09.2019 16:31
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Just visiting to say thanks for liking my travel blog.
I understand your rant! There's so much garbage on Steem but a few of us out there are still making good content!

!giphy cheers

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