My own 2 cents about HF23 and PUBLIC WITNESS VOTING


obraz.png I believe by now, almost everyone on Steem blockchain are aware of the recent hard fork HF23, which took place lately.

Hearing about it for the very first time caught me off-guard and left me quite speachless ...

INTRODUCTION

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.... it's obvious that the conflict between these 2 blockchains (hive and steem) are only escalating and it's hard not to be affected one way or another. I decided to write this post, since several users have asked me on Discord about my personal opinion on this issue and the possible consequences for our PH community. It will allow me to avoid repeating myself and getting even more upset with entire situation.

MY PERSONAL VIEW

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To tell you the truth, I'm absolutely confused and unsure of what to think of it. I have more question than answers. More concerns and worries, than hopes and plans for better future on both chains.

I have only one advice: everyone should be very careful with whatever we write in our comments regarding this issue. I think we're all stepping again on very thin ice and having unpopular views can be very damaging. It's time when one can make new enemies very easily, by simply sharing his own opinion.

MY ADVISE - remove your witness votes

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Many of us voted on Witnesses within the past year or two. At the same time "living" our lives here on Steemit, clueless about big politics and large stakeholders conflicts. Voting on Witness was our right, for which, noone has ever been targetted and punished.

Times had clearly changed.

We've already experienced some restrictions coming from both sides. And one can already feel growing pressure. My impression is that since all our votes are public - we need to assume that many users will be targeted by both parties.

I found it ridiculous that everyone is able to view which witness I voted on, and large stakeholders can bully us and others as well for supporting witnesses who they are in conflict with. For that reason I would suggest to remove all (or most) witness votes on both chains.

WHAT TERRIFIES ME THE MOST

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Will this event may take new precedence and it will most likely create an environment of lack of trust towards our own funds on blockchain. For the first time in my career within this industry I feel that having money in a bank is safer.

It does terrifies me, honestly. Does anyone else feel same way?

A friend of mine, who is a very well respected developer, pointed out that he feels that holding assets on exchanges seem to be less dangerous than holding on STEEM. How ironic is it? My personal trust towards DPOS blockchains has been greatly damaged.

BOTTOM LINE

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It's pretty obvious that the unfolding events are out of our league. We're all just "small fish", who need to find ways to adapt to changing enviroment. Without being "eaten".

So my final advise is: stay safe, avoid having strong opinion on HF23, stay neutral and as far as possible from this conflict and finally: cancel all your witness votes. On both chains. That may allow you to avoid being targetted and dragged into this conflict.

SHARE YOUR VIEW

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Please share your view on that particular issue. I read all comments and I would like to learn what others think. Especially members of Project.hope community.
Just remember to be mindful and polite with your feedback.

Yours,
Piotr


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I suppose as a positive, long term these caustic actions and behaviors could prune dpos of some of it's back doors and perhaps improve its purpose, balance of fairness, privacy and security.

24.05.2020 14:11
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Dear @bitshares101

Thank you for dropping by and commenting on my post. I've noticed that you haven't been active for past 2 months. Welcome back :))

ps.
is there any way to contact you? Perhaps you use discord and you could join our project.hope community server: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW

I would like to ask you if you've considered delegating your stake on Steemit or HIVE to any project out there (and enjoying regular payouts).

Yours
Piotr

25.05.2020 09:43
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Well it's kind of very complicated and you are right we got more questions than we have the answer so it won't be wise to say anything upon this without knowing all the votes and for now its be best to withdraw witness votes and stay neutral.

24.05.2020 14:23
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blocktrades was one of the few accounts that were listed in blacklists... They can't continue after their funds were seized...

25.05.2020 11:03
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Hello friend, when everything seemed to stabilize then something new appears.

In my opinion, or more than opinion is a wish, I hope that all this turbulence passes and we can find tranquility to operate, this is the most beneficial for everyone here, both witnesses and content creators.

We all need a favorable environment for everyone's work, creation and growth.

I pray that everything will be resolved soon!

24.05.2020 14:30
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My personal trust towards DPOS blockchains has been greatly damaged.

I don't blame DPOS at all. It's because Justin bought almost 30% of the stake over the counter at a cheaper rate. Had he bought similar amount on exchanges, it would have cost him billions.

I don't know what is wrong with Justin but he should be in jail for his actions regarding HF23. He seems very motivated in making our investments worth pennies. I have dedicated 3 years of my life with a hope that steem will reach previous all time highs again but you see, binance is already delisting two steem pairs after two months and the rest will follow.

I don't hold any love for hive witnesses either. Maybe, I did in the past but some recent activities by them forced me to unvote almost all the top witnesses.

Trust me, right now I don't have any hope that either steem or hive is going to make me rich someday, I am just posting as it is something that I like.

24.05.2020 15:18
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Twists and turns in lifethere certainly is, do not give up with just one reason.
Revive, Revive, and stay excited friend. :)

24.05.2020 16:45
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Dear @syedumair

Thank you for sharing your view with me. Appreciate it a lot.

It's because Justin bought almost 30% of the stake over the counter at a cheaper rate. Had he bought similar amount on exchanges, it would have cost him billions.
I don't blame DPOS at all.

The problem is, that it hardly matters. It's not about Justin or old witnesses any more.
It all simply means, that things like that are possible. That there can be a way to do things, which we didn't believe could happend.

Do you think average Joe will care about reasons explaining how we got where we are? When it comes to TRUST - reasoning and trying to find explanations isn't going to help much.

I don't know what is wrong with Justin but he should be in jail for his actions regarding HF23

Perhaps. On the other hand creating fork, using code of Steemit to launch new platform (Steemit is not blockchain, it's an intelectual property) and copy-ing all content (including posts of those who were denied to receive an airdrop) should also be considered fully illegal.

Either way - it's a power struggle and many low blows have been exchanged. It's best to avoid criticizing any of those 2 parties on any blockchain. Both are guilty of many sins.

He seems very motivated in making our investments worth pennies

I must disagree here. He is pushing into centralized model, with controled inflation and one decision-making group. Centralization is more efficient as a business, and it is exactly what he is doing: making it a business.

Trust me, right now I don't have any hope that either steem or hive is going to make me rich someday, I am just posting as it is something that I like.

I personally would believe that STEEM price has higher chance to maintain it's value than HIVE. But yeah, most likely none of it is going to make anyone rich. We're after all just bloggers (cheap labour).

Enjoy your new week buddy :))
Yours, Piotr

25.05.2020 09:37
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Perhaps. On the other hand creating a fork, using code of Steemit to launch new platform (Steemit is not blockchain, it's an intellectual property) and copy-ing all content (including posts of those who were denied to receive an airdrop) should also be considered fully illegal.

I'm sorry I'm doing this again but you need to understand some basics my friend. Nobody forked steemit. Steemit is just a stupid front end (that had no updates for the past 3 years) for the decentralized backend code which is the actual blockchain. Steemit is an intellectual property and it was never forked, only steem was forked and it was something with MIT license. I would like to help you again if you are ready to listen. If you navigate to the repository of Steem, you will be able to find the below license file.

https://github.com/steemit/steem/blob/master/LICENSE.md

We would not call a blockchain decentralized if it was not open-source. Your statement about forking is wrong. That's how every other cryptocurrency is created. A new token is created from an existing token. You cannot badmouth the new token saying that it was airdropped illegally because it has a value higher than the parent token. This is a free world, the Hive tokens were just airdropped and in any case it would have even gone below 10 cents but it didn't. That is purely investors call and basic demand and supply. Maybe investors want new token more than the old one because of various reasons.

By the way the users were also contributing to a decentralized open-source platform where the content was also public and decentralized. I guess the MIT license also applies to the contents as well. We don't have enough laws for decentralization yet and that doesn't mean that it is illegal. The contents are still under the same owners and were never manipulated as a different owner or something.

26.05.2020 12:54
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Thank you for your comment @bala41288

I'm sorry I'm doing this again but you need to understand some basics my friend.

I believe that I do understand basics and I'm seeing those basics from different point of view.

If you're telling me that anyone can fork blockchain and can use content created by users and at the same time exclude right to have tokens on forked blockchain - then it's hardly different from what Justin did recently. Trying to convince people otherwise is not going to work.

One could argue, that STEEM also forked out. And they decided to exclude group of users from this forked blockchain. Surely there are some differences, however both actions are in my opinion heavily illegal.

Blockchain can be open source - Our content is OUR intellectual property. And I don't think your explanation would last in any european or US court a chance. Do you possibly think that anyone sued for copying intellectual property and benefiting from it could defent himself, then you may be surprissed.

I guess the MIT license also applies to the contents as well. We don't have enough laws for decentralization yet and that doesn't mean that it is illegal.

Exactly.

To wrap it up: we're slowly witnessing problem of lack of regulations and people looking at things from angles which are suitable for them. We need more regulations. It cannot happen that someone will create new fork of STEEM and will copy my entire work to new chain, without my agreement/consensus. This should be illegal. And sooner than later it will be.

Yours, Piotr

30.05.2020 06:56
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I have only one advice: everyone should be very careful with whatever we write in our comments regarding this issue.

This is a very righteous advice, so that someone will not willingly walk into a cross-fire. As it stands now, I am as confused as you are. I'm only observing from the side line to see how things unfold.

Meanwhile, the advice you gave about witness votes is very welcomed.

I appreciate your pieces of advice buddy. Have a blessed day

24.05.2020 15:33
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Hi Piotr:

As you know, I only live from my content on steemit, for that this situation has kept me in tension longer than I would have liked.

So my final advise is: stay safe, avoid having strong opinion on HF23, stay neutral and as far as possible from this conflict and finally: cancel all your witness votes. On both chains. That may allow you to avoid being targetted and dragged into this conflict.

Thank you very much for this advice, I immediately proceed to follow it, since I have enough business to attend to in my life for these dramas take up more space in my affairs than necessary.

Despite everything I am still optimistic, and I know that all these conflicts will lead us be stronger and we are probably people with a lot of influence on both blockchain They will use us as a reference when doing business and motivating.

Thank you very much for your concern and contributions, they are very valuable and you are someone who really cares about the community and by steemit.

24.05.2020 15:47
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Dear @reinaldoverdu

I only live from my content on steemit, for that this situation has kept me in tension longer than I would have liked.

It surely must be very stressful.

Appreciate your comment and always being so supportive and encouraging.

Thank you very much for your concern and contributions, they are very valuable and you are someone who really cares about the community and by steemit.

Indeed. I really do.

Stay safe,
Cheers, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:23
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Okay, rule number 1. Don't get caught in between, which means watch whatever you say or you become a target.

My worry is i could sleep one day at 9:00 PM only to wake up by 7:00 AM and my tokens are not there again.

24.05.2020 16:08
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Solid rule nr 1 @ireti :))

26.05.2020 08:30
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Say no more. I have talked about this 2 weeks ago when things started shaken.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@davidke20/check-your-vote-check-your-status

24.05.2020 16:18
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Indeed, you did @davidke20

26.05.2020 08:26
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Thanks Piotr for your advice. I'm also terrified of what's going on. The uncertainty about Steem's future worth is daunting. But it's just the beginning of this new adventure we must have a little patience and see future scenarios maybe the platform will be more stable and stronger and all our worries will disappear.🀞

24.05.2020 16:23
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I already made a post with my opinion... But to sum things up, we need to keep exchanges out of all hostilities, sending the frozen funds to Bittrex wasn't very polite as it did put Bittrex in very dangerous position.

24.05.2020 16:33
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Which one @mtl1979

"How Steem can survive..." - do you mean this post?

26.05.2020 08:30
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Yes... That one...

26.05.2020 08:36
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So my final advise is: stay safe, avoid having strong opinion on HF23, stay neutral and as far as possible from this conflict and finally: cancel all your witness votes. On both chains. That may allow you to avoid being targetted and dragged into this conflict.

I think your suggestion is very good. Do not choose on one side or both sides of the conflict.
In that way no one said it was unfair.

24.05.2020 16:37
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Solid advise. Going to remove my votes now.

24.05.2020 16:48
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Thanks for dropping by @dreamryder007

Aren't you posting on any chain any more? :(

ps.
is there any way to contact you? Perhaps you use discord and you could join our project.hope community server: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW

I would like to ask you if you've considered delegating your stake on Steemit or HIVE to any project out there (and enjoying regular payouts).

Yours
Piotr

26.05.2020 08:29
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I am in Splinterlands discord. You can PM me from there.

28.05.2020 14:24
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Can you share link to their discord? :)

30.05.2020 07:01
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Your advice is very valuable, my friend Piotr. I do not know to what extent all this war can drag us down even those of us who have remained neutral, it is very important to do what you say and keep the job in the publications.

24.05.2020 16:55
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Valuable point of view, I'll take your advice. Thank you for all your concern and occupation. Let's hope for a good development in spite of the circumstances. Greetings

24.05.2020 17:33
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Dear @belkisa758

Thanks for dropping by and your supportive and encouraging comment :)

Stay safe,
Yours, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:31
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Thanks for such valuable information and knowing the reality of things.

24.05.2020 17:40
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Thanks for dropping by and your comment @omegarojo827

26.05.2020 08:32
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You are absolutely right in reference to the witnesses and continue to give value to this community, since there is a lot of talent

24.05.2020 17:43
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The situation is really unfavorable, however, it is in our hands to continue with the work and believing that we can have an environment where we just want to help as many people as possible to grow in the ecosystem, continue to share valuable content in the chain that helps the growth and adoption of the whole industry in general.

For years since 2017 when I first met Steem and its chain of blocks, I have never seen it as a way to get rich, but it has been my strongest support to solve the situation that is happening in my country today. But don't get me wrong, I love to share my content with the community, the little knowledge I can transmit to them and that can also make me grow personally.

I will not give more details of my position on this situation, I will only say one thing, the essence of the blockchain is to be decentralized and as we are part of the governance according to the DPos, we must promote this essence and this concept above all, let's continue with the good work in PH, let's not give up, I will follow your advice to withdraw my witness votes is the best, while the tide goes out.

@lenonmc21

24.05.2020 18:51
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Dear @lenonmc21

Thanks for dropping by and your supportive and encouraging comment :)

Stay safe,
Yours, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:19
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I seriously do not have much to say about the topic because I still feel very confused about the whole setting, I have been trying to read from the witnesses on the two platforms but I still cannot figure it out because there seem to be more to it than we are told, so just like you advised I feel we just need to tread carefully.

24.05.2020 22:26
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It is good that some developers are taking the step of re-creating those things we use to have here, in my opinion that is the best way to keep things normal over here.

24.05.2020 23:12
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You have to stay out of everything. I have always done so, unfortunately, whatever they say about freedom from blockchain technology, we are repressed by those who have more money anyway, just as in real life. My opinions have always had a filter and since I received my first flag (for no reason) a long time ago I have been walking very carefully over eggs trying not to break them.

If someone wanted to know what the blockchain was a few days ago, they must have run away scared when they saw a "Dig black Bick" commenting on their posts.

They forgot that there were children using this platform to publish their children's content. It's a shame.

Well...

Everything kind of comes together, doesn't it? Is it the end of the forking world?

24.05.2020 23:22
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It is actually pretty effective way of surviving tough times. I learned it in a hard way.

Going one steo further, now I wonder whether I should leave Dpos entirely.

24.05.2020 23:37
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Hi @glory7

Going one steo further, now I wonder whether I should leave Dpos entirely.

Are you considering quitting both steem and hive? :(

Yours, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:34
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Unlikely, but certainly is an option. I am on hive "blacklist" so already I am forced to quit hive.

26.05.2020 09:38
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hi @glory7

wow. how did you end up on their black list?

30.05.2020 07:03
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I don't know...

30.05.2020 08:29
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Hi @ crypto.piotr
Thank you very much for your suggestion, very successful indeed (I already do).
I totally agree with your statement:


We're all just "small fish", who need to find ways to adapt to changing environment. Without being "eaten".

And in that sense, I want to add that it really makes me very happy to write and read the contents that are published on the platform and especially those of PH, I will stay under those parameters, hoping that this happens and we can enjoy what we like to do .

A hug @janettyanez

25.05.2020 00:08
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So my final advise is: stay safe, avoid having strong opinion on HF23, stay neutral and as far as possible from this conflict and finally: cancel all your witness votes. On both chains. That may allow you to avoid being targetted and dragged into this conflict.

Personally I strongly agree with your suggestion. But what about other people, do they also agree with the advice?

25.05.2020 01:09
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Thanks for the briefing Peter.

I am finishing up the organization of my own crypto files for the past couple of years. This was something I planned before I heard of the HF. My stunned reaction seemed best frozen like Han Solo until I complete personal business. After all, it was at this time that I anticipated reassessing and planning out a new course.

Your articles really helped. I am particular fond of how you maintain an orderly outlook amidst the chaos and uncertainty.

25.05.2020 02:15
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Again, history repeats itself, my good friend @crypto.piotr,
All small fish are at the center of a battle, where we all lose if we do not know how to act, with great caution and taking firm steps for everything we do.

Now I understand all your points of view regarding what is happening today on these two platforms (Hive and Steem) where we are all somehow confused with what happens between the greats, and it is precisely because of this sentence:

We've already experienced some restrictions coming from both sides.

That situation for no one is good, so I'm going to follow your advice, I'm going to keep myself safe. and I will also be far from the conflict.

25.05.2020 02:18
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Andrew Hamilton (@asphamilton) wrote his legal opinion on HF23 here followed by another post on the matter here. The posts and the interesting discussions that follow are very instructive.

25.05.2020 03:51
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Thanks @devann

It's a pleasure to have you visiting my posts :)) Appreciate those 2 links. Going to check them out right away.

Yours, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:35
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All this hardfork update of steemit brings one issue or the other that depreciate users interest. Please steemit should focus on making things better. Let them restore the platform not destroying it.
And let them solving the issue if inactive account due to password recovery.

25.05.2020 07:17
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Appreciate your comment @bbbbtt55

26.05.2020 08:39
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Terrifying times actually but what i know is this, if you are not a 200k SP holder, you are no threat. Even so, there are a lot of SP holders that didn't get caught in this fire because they stayed cleared of any issue. This is dpos, it is politics in full fleshed with what will call witness or governance.

25.05.2020 07:33
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The most focusing thing any community leader should do right now is:
Regardless of what chain we are on, our vision stays focused.
If we are here to help the community, then we must think the best way for the community, including the inevitable when one day everything turns into dust.

Don't talk about witnesses, without electricity, nothing works on the blockchain.

Once that is clarified in our heads, then we know what to do next.

Always. For the people.

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25.05.2020 08:37
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Thank you for being always so responsive and supportive with your comments @dses

If we are here to help the community, then we must think the best way for the community, including the inevitable when one day everything turns into dust.

It's hard not to agree with you. I think the best way for the communitu to move forward is simply by making sure that all those people have something to say, that community leaders will hear them out and make them feel part of decision making process.

Don't talk about witnesses, without electricity, nothing works on the blockchain.

I don't understand that part.

Cheers, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:42
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Blockchain is powered with electricity and internet. Even if we have the witnesses (and their servers) who worked hard, without electricity and connectivity, nothing works for blockchain.

31.05.2020 07:01
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everyone should be very careful with whatever we write in our comments regarding this issue.

Most times i want to act like i didn't see any of this but sometimes i just feel i should say something but how would you say something when there is a cannon on your head and your only means to stay alive is to be quiet.

MY ADVISE - remove your witness votes

Do our votes really count now? Maybe they do but if we vote, we might just be caught up in crossfire. This is like holding an election and then declaring a full day curfew. We want to vote but we can't vote.

So my final advise is: stay safe, avoid having strong opinion on HF23, stay neutral and as far as possible from this conflict and finally: cancel all your witness votes. On both chains. That may allow you to avoid being targetted and dragged into this conflict.

The truth is voting on hive doesn't really have anything to do with steemit witnesses but voting on steem can cause a lot of problem for the user on hive.

25.05.2020 08:40
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This post has been rewarded by the Steem Community Curation Project. #communitycuration06

25.05.2020 10:21
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I agree with you, that the DPOS systems have this critical issue. You can, with some effort, cooperate one with the other witnesses and that could be leading to the oligarchy system. This can hardly happen to the pure proof-of-stake systems, where are hundreds of staking pools (Ouroboros PoS used in Cardano) or millions of users (in Pure Proof-of-Stake used in Algorand) confirming and securing the network. Maybe for social network/blogging platform DPOS can work, but I think only time will tell which solution is the best for what use case.

25.05.2020 10:45
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I stand with these submissions of yours solidly. Great points and advice here.

Thanks Piotr.

25.05.2020 10:55
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It's time when one can make new enemies very easily, by simply sharing his own opinion.

I'm glad I made my censorship-free, own WordPress site.

25.05.2020 10:57
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Just be careful, if you publish things in a blog that your ISP or others do not like and they complain to your provider, they might have your site removed, taken down and so... in other words, you don't have 100% control there either...

25.05.2020 11:36
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Yes, maybe they can, but it seems to be much more secure than blockchain blogging where you can be ruined from a day to other by any whale.
I'm a financial blogger, not a political activist.
I use VPN and other security precautions, by the way.

25.05.2020 12:10
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Interesting conversation. I think it all depends on what level of censorship resistance you want. Even if you operate your own WordPress site, there are plenty of ways to censor it to the public. DNS filter, IP address blocking and even a cease and desist order to take down your site.

The nice thing about posting on Hive is that the content is technically recorded on the blockchain and even though it can potentially be downvoted or hidden from the interface, it is still there with multiple copies stored in a somewhat distributed manner. Can't say the same for Steem now since I understand they have started to block users at the API level.

27.05.2020 02:14
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so sad

28.05.2020 16:06
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Dear @culgin

The nice thing about posting on Hive is that the content is technically recorded on the blockchain and even though it can potentially be downvoted or hidden from the interface, it is still there with multiple copies stored in a somewhat distributed manner.

Does it really matter? At all? I wonder.

Even now content discovery is very difficult. And knowing that some content (even hidden / downvoted) is still somewhere out there - recorded on blockchain - it doesn't help a bit in my opinion. What's the advantage of having content stored somewhere, knowing that pretty much noone ever will find it.

For regular human being - it will make no difference if something is stored in decentralized database or not. What matters is only: can this be displayed or not.

Yours, Piotr

30.05.2020 07:10
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What matters is only: can this be displayed or not.

If it can be found somewhere, it can be technically displayed. If it is not even stored, how can it be ever displayed?

02.06.2020 00:21
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hi @culgin

Indeed. it can be "technically" displayed. However content discovery will be dropped to zero. From content consumer point of view of it hardly matters if something is on blockchain or it's stored on centralized database, which could be accessed with SQL or some other advanced tools.

Yours,Piotr

02.06.2020 09:05
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You jumped two levels up! 😁

25.05.2020 12:12
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Thanks a lot :)

25.05.2020 13:50
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Interesting. I wans't aware about it @streamingnews

26.05.2020 08:43
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I am more confused than you are. I just keep posting on steemit for the sake of it hoping someday, something good will come out of it. With removing votes, I think its a great idea so that we wont be attached to any negative thing if jt shows. Its really saddening to see how steemit has been affected badly. Even presently, the wallet has been disabled. I just hope its been worked on. We just have to stay positive and optimistic.

25.05.2020 11:31
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I don't think there will be any repercursive action by hive witnesses on Hive. If anything, the latest debacle has proven that Hive is ready to move on but the witnesses on STEEM remain fixated on getting their pound of flesh because they didn't receive airdrop.

Steem ran a secret hardfork that basically accessed the accounts of 65 people, then took out funds from them and sent it to another account. That action there is unforgivable and blatant robbery.

Steemit has also turned into a bully that silences anybody that negates them; they now BAN content in a platform that takes pride in cencorship resistance. This is also unfounded and unforgivable.

Also, Steemit are not ready to redeem their image and have short term ambition. I know this because instead of focusing on development and attracting new users, they're fixed on getting equivalent value of Hive coins that they don't get in the airdrop. It is ridiculous to say the least.

25.05.2020 11:48
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Dear @belemo

Steemit has also turned into a bully that silences anybody that negates them; they now BAN content in a platform that takes pride in cencorship resistance. This is also unfounded and unforgivable.

:) Try to criticize whales on HIVE and you will see what means to be attacked by bullies and what means to be silenced with regular downvotes. Only because you have "wrong" opinion.

I think both chains at the moment struggle with many similar problems.

Yours, Piotr

30.05.2020 07:17
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I think being downvoted isn't a bad thing. Downvoting is different from deleting from the chain. Yes, downvoting leads to low visibility but the content still remains on the platform, whereas on Steem, content are being wiped out completely.

30.05.2020 08:17
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dear @belemo

I think being downvoted isn't a bad thing.

I wonder if you ever got downvoted without knowing reason behind it. Look at project.hope recent post. We've been downvoted right to the ground. Rewards went to zero. And I was told that we will be always downvoted because we're supporting steemit.

I seriously wonder how long would you continue your work on any chain, if every single post of yours would be downvoted. Without learning about reasons behind it.

Yes, downvoting leads to low visibility but the content still remains on the platform, whereas on Steem, content are being wiped out completely.

Low visibility or ZERO visibility? There is pretty much no difference. If your post will be downvoted heavily, your rep will also go down - then your posts will be hidden non stop.

Check out this user:
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800k HP and he is downvoting people left and right. Imagine ending up on his radar and having 100% of your post downvoted.

Downvoting is the reason why hundreds of users on both chains stopped their activity. I think it's worse than Steemit censorship - simply because it's targetting regular users. Instead of those who actually write about sensitive topics.

Yours
Piotr

31.05.2020 10:16
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I'm disappointed in that person that did that and I understand your plight now. It is bullying and very unnecessary to downvote like that. I have been downvoted before but it was for a reason that I knew about.

31.05.2020 18:27
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Both platforms are like some kind of Kingdoms where the kings are in conflict and the people, the cheap labor, the ones who write, can be sacrificed in order to keep themselves safe.
You might think that for both components (leaders) of both chains, they are in search of each chain on its own to be a winner, however, the conflicts between one and the other take a long time, it hurts most of the people at the bottom.
Everyone should forget about each other and focus on work, which is what most content creators expect.
I am very clear that we content creators are not the ones who give the highest value to the chain, but other things, the possibilities that this chain gives to investors to make more money... they should focus on that... both sides.

Me, I'll keep writing, it's something I like to do. At least as long as I can, as long as I don't put my peace of mind at risk. Because the same way I went in, I can come out. I guess at least that won't limit it. Or prevent me from withdrawing my little capital if I wish to do so. I hope so.

Thank you @crypto.piotr for sharing your opinion.
Nice start to the week.

25.05.2020 11:59
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thanks @josevas217 for your amazing comment

30.05.2020 07:17
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2 points that I'd like to respond to.

First, cancelling all our witness votes seems quite extreme. But if, as you say, that will prevent us from getting "targetted," then it might be advisable.As it is, I'll wait and see before I cancel any such votes.

Second, let's hope that having money in a bank is NOT safer than having Steem in our online wallets. With all the recent money-printing, any money we have in a bank could lose its value very quickly. And if the shit hits the fan, we could be denied access to our bank-held money – with the few clicks of the banker's mouse.

25.05.2020 13:29
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Thank you for being always so responsive and supportive with your comments @majes.tytyty

First, cancelling all our witness votes seems quite extreme.

It surely does.

However can you imagine, that I've seen my own name listed recently on some post on hive? Post pointing out all users who 'shamefully' are apparently supporting "theft and injustice". Why? Turned out that simply because I've been having vote on SteemChiller (guy behind steemworld) and few others, who decided to stay on steemit.

Basically my impression is, that this entire voting system is a joke. Imagine democracy with everyone out ther having an access to see who you voted. And knowing that some people will bully you.

We also need to ask ourselfs a question: why do we vote? I myself don't know the answer any more.

Second, let's hope that having money in a bank is NOT safer than having Steem in our online wallets. With all the recent money-printing, any money we have in a bank could lose its value very quickly.

Indeed. Let's hope.

And if the shit hits the fan, we could be denied access to our bank-held money – with the few clicks of the banker's mouse.

Oh no. It's not just a few clicks. It's much more than that. Luckily for me - I've very little savings and I've morgage (within same bank) so if bank would susspend access to savings, then it's clear to me that my debts are also ... no more.

Take care of yourself, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:17
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Oh, I see your point. Yes, there are many cases where innocent steemers are vilified, scorned, and even attacked. Sometimes quite mercilessly.

That's definitely not good for the platform, and we should not allow or condone it.

26.05.2020 10:46
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Delete my witness votes?

You know what I call that: self-censorship. It is very common in my country where there is a dictatorial regime.

But as you say, it's a way to keep yourself safe.

Although I have a doubt. In the blockchain there is always a trace of all the transactions, so if we withdraw the votes from all the witnesses, it will always be known who I voted for in the past.

Really, if the hangman wants to drop his guillotine, nothing will stop him.

25.05.2020 14:05
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Dear @juanmolina

Delete my witness votes?
You know what I call that: self-censorship

And what's wrong with it? Would you not self-censorship yourself knowing that your votes (during election) are public and even your neighbour, police officer from next block or some thugs who are against your candidate would know who you supported with your vote?

Witness votes should not be public.

Yours, Piotr

30.05.2020 07:21
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Witness votes should not be public.

Maybe you're right.
What makes me hesitate to erase my votes to please certain possible executioners is the fact that they will be able to know who I voted for in the past.
And if their intentions are revenge, they will still find a reason to act.

30.05.2020 10:23
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steemit has always been proof of money-for-brain

a few people are sly and take opportunity when they see it ( ... )

but its never been about content

all webzines and sites who went "the account origin is unknown" have proven themselves to know nothing about the concept of a public ledger since it traces back to someguy123 in TWO STEPS

so its 1 of 2

1) the elder triffids took the money in the fastest powerdown ever using a backdoor they left open since august 2016

2) Justin Sun tried to make the elder triffids look like scheming hackers who will take your money doing just that

or 3 ) a combination of both

which is (the latter) my preferred version

in any case at any rate there was zero magic involved, just an old backdoor

the REAL message is : DONT use accounts you didnt create yourself and IF you do CHANGE THE FUCKING PASSWORD NOW

otherwise

its just

this is what makes crypton look bad

glad to see you're still alive piotr

im convinced you dont do it for the money, you just get off on likes by now

)D

25.05.2020 15:04
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Dear @tyrnannoght

Thanks for dropping by. I found your comment quite messy and difficult to understand :(

Either way, thx for sharing your thoughts
Piotr

26.05.2020 08:46
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Dear @tyrnannoght

Thanks for dropping by. I found your comment quite messy and difficult to understand :(

Either way, thx for sharing your thoughts
Piotr

26.05.2020 08:47
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a total mess and difficult to understand ?

that sounds like me :) ...

31.05.2020 09:45
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I was on the platform for a long time due to different problems and I am trying to return little by little and the truth is that I have so many questions that I do not know where to start, I really like reading your advice, friend and I will put it into practice, I hope I can get to the day with all the changes and that this bad weather is temporary.

25.05.2020 19:42
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Dear @roronoa07

Thanks for dropping by and your supportive and encouraging comment :)

I am trying to return little by little and the truth is that I have so many questions that I do not know where to start,

Glad to know you're planning to come back. You had a very long break.

Did you hear about our project.hope initiative? If you're planning to come back, then just our discord server: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW

Also you can subscribe to our community here: https://steemit.com/trending/hive-175254

Stay safe,
Yours, Piotr

26.05.2020 08:49
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Throughout my years on the blockchain, I have never felt the way I felt the past few days. I’ve always believed in the blockchain, although not so much in the leaders. The conflicts between both chains has resulted in bad publicity that would affect both on the long run.

However, neutrality is important. Like with regular politics, I prefer to be apolitical. You could take sides with one party on here and wake up the next day to see a missing stake. I would recommend you continue doing the work that you do. Help will come eventually.

25.05.2020 20:36
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thanks for your comment @eloghosa

hope to see you more often posting within PH :)

30.05.2020 07:22
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Hi @crypto.piotr

It is a sad story what has been going on but as you point out in your post, we are just small fish. I believe all we can really do is stand by and watch and just hope that things in time will blow over. Time is the greatest cure for wounds.

I am not sure about removing witness votes as that is also recorded on the blockchain. The history is always there on the blockchain for people to see.

25.05.2020 21:18
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awah

30.05.2020 07:24
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I agree, that is so wrong. As we have said so many time, this was not our fight, we didn't ask for this.

30.05.2020 11:10
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The seizing of erstwhile Steem witness account is nothing short of tyranny and Hitlerism. I am stunned, to say the least, by the unholy fork. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

The man dies in all who keep silent in the face of tyranny

  • Wole Soyinka
25.05.2020 21:36
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erstwhile ?

what do you mean buddy?

26.05.2020 08:24
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I mean former Steem witnesses now on Hive.

26.05.2020 10:24
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The situation is worrying and as you say it is better to remain neutral before being in the eye of the hurricane, we are small fish but we must still look after our interests. I only hope that this constant battle will finally end and we can continue with the community projects.

I worry when you say that you think it's better to have your money in a bank, but I was surprised, I hope that everything flows in the best way.

25.05.2020 21:38
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From my view, I have always believed in decentralisation, but right now, I have thrown away that believe. Even though investing in crypto can add much more values and at same time doom to our invest, we love it. But if possibly as it was shown in hf23 that by chance trick exists, to say the fact, I am speechless and scared.

25.05.2020 22:54
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thanks for your comment @benie111

I have always believed in decentralisation, but right now, I have thrown away that believe.

I think to many people believe in power of decentralization. I also don't believe in this utopia and dream. Especially while seeing that entire crypto is moving into centralization. Starting with bitcoin. Even halving alone is highly centralized event.

Humans are after all ... just humans. And powerful ones will always look for ways to use the system (centralized or decentralized) for their own agendas.

hope to see you more often posting within PH :)

30.05.2020 07:28
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I feel that having money in a bank is safer.

This is true to some extent. However, other cryptocurrencies are not affected by disputes as Steem and Hive are affected. In fact, in the modern era of looting nothing is safe and no place is safer. Money in the form of physical gold can serve a purpose but, it doesn't increase as we don't get interest on it and also it is not easy to safeguard so much gold in home.

Removing witness vote seems to be a good idea. We want to be neutral but, things can force us to take one side.

26.05.2020 02:57
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thanks for your comment @akdx

30.05.2020 07:28
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Welcome dear!

30.05.2020 16:55
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It's time when one can make new enemies very easily, by simply sharing his own opinion.
haha this is true that's why i think 100 time before give any opinion. everyone wants revenge that's it.


My personal trust towards DPOS blockchains has been greatly damaged.

Same here. This event hurts everyone and long term investor will scare to invest in steem.

and in the end i want to say to users stay away from politics and making opinions in this fighting. we are users our work is sharing original work and engaging. otherwise you will be targeted as well.

26.05.2020 04:06
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@crypto.piotr first of all current situation is very unpredictable as anything can happen , we need to be safe and to keep our money safe by just becoming netrual and not posting any thing that affects the both chain sentiments.

My suggestion is that just keep your profile low from getting targeted.

Removing witnesses it hardly matter if you are small fish and don't have much in your account. That is for big whales and people.

If you are small person then you don't need to worry about much. But avoid any statement and post which affects the chain.

26.05.2020 11:03
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thanks for your comment @adityajainxds

Removing witnesses it hardly matter if you are small fish and don't have much in your account. That is for big whales and people.

To some degree you're right.

However I've already been listed with group of users, who apparently are supporting HF23 "theft". Why and how did I get on that list? Simply because I keep my vote on SteemChiller (author of steemworld.org who now seem to be considered by some people to be a traitor).

It's not fun to see your own username on such a list. I'm not really one of whales, and yet ....

My suggestion is that just keep your profile low from getting targeted.

You nailed it!

30.05.2020 07:31
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Hmm.... Sincerely I'm really impressed with your thoughts or opinion about the above topic and I must say I strongly agree with your points most especially the one that has to do with the removal or cancelation of witness votes on both chains to avoid been preyed upon by the predators.

It really seems like a war occurring in both chains amongst the hive witnesses and steem Inc. This has also led to a form of biased action in both chains when utilizing the platforms.

As for the case of hf23 I actually don't know if it turns out to be successful or not but all I want is just a free and fair operation on the steem blockchain and I also hope the worth or value of steem will increase with time.

Thanks for sharing this great post with love from @hardaeborla and I hope you have a great day ahead β€οΈπŸ’•β€οΈπŸ’•β€οΈπŸ’•πŸ’–

26.05.2020 14:26
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Thanks @crypto.piotr I actually have no opinion about this and I think I will follow your suggestion

26.05.2020 18:59
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Seriously I have been on this chain long enough to understand that power belongs to some set of people here but I am still really optimistic about the whole thing and the drama it will all make sense one day.

27.05.2020 05:17
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Hello @crypto.piotr
I am sorry that the situation affects you.
I don't use HIVE, but every coin in Steemit is mine, I earned it working as I could.
The HIVE coins, I don't know where they came from or who controls them.
I prefer not to expose myself to being forced or blackmailed into something that I feel doesn't belong to me. I have not worked for that.
Greetings from Venezuela. @mariita52

05.06.2020 10:35
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Witness votes on Steem are now irrelevant as only Steemit get to determine who becomes a witness. Meanwhile accounts of former witnesses and anyone who dares to criticise Steemit are likely to be censored. Therefore this account and others associated with it are moving away from Steem to 'the other blockchain' where freedom still exists.

12.06.2020 15:03
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