ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Let's all step back and figure out what can be done to stop LOSING STEEM USERS


obraz.png Please allow me to begin by underlining and repeating a thousand times:

I'm generally not at all against using downvotes when it's necessary ...

INTRODUCTION

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... I'm also fully aware of how the amount of spam has been reduced, bots are no longer a problem and content discovery is simply a much better experience. However, it's important to understand and acknowledge that downvotes, though maybe a POWERFUL tool, the mismanagement of it can cause GREAT HARM to our blockchain.

And today I came across an awful situation, where a person I recognize and I've learned to value has been downvoted for the most ridiculous reason ever, which you could put in one simple statement:
I FLAGGED YOU, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DOWNVOTE OTHERS!

Perhaps I'm exaggerating by being upset about it. However, simply because of DOWNVOTE ABUSE I've already lost more contacts on Steemit since the latest Hard Fork, than I've fingers on my hands and toes altogether.

Something needs to change, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

I got downvoted because I don't downvote people

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In his latest post @livinguktaiwan explained the entire unpleasant situation. And he has the full right to feel like the victim of abuse.

Imagine for a moment, learning that you were downvoted by someone with 850k SP because of the reason below:

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Quote:
(@transisto has been replying on behalf of @likwid)

Just please, let's stop here for a moment and think of the consequences of this particular mindset. How many of you guys are actually downvoting others, just because you can? How would you feel is your post would be downvoted - only because you didn't downvote anyone lately?

FEELING TARGETED

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obraz.png Is this what we want this place to become?

Isn't our community already too small?

Are those behaviors going to help the price of STEEM to go up? Are we perhaps naive to think, that we won't continue losing new users? What about Steem PR? How do we want to see our platform by people "from the outside"?

All the marketing in the world will not help if user experience on steem blockchain will be painful and unpleasant. I've lost my count over people I knew here; which I valued and appreciated. People who gave up for that one reason - being downvoted for no reason or some absurd reason. Finally losing their faith and interest in Steem.

It's time to learn, that steem users are an asset to our blockchain. And those who join this platform often feel like they are being targeted. They feel that there is hardly anyone helping and guiding them; at the same time so many are willing to "punish" with downvotes. More often than not - without even warning or providing detailed explanation on why they were flagged.

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT? Building awareness - that's the answer

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It's very difficult to answer that question. After all - how can we combat downvote abuse.

Perhaps you, dear readers, have some ideas which you would like to share with me in the comment section? I read and appreciate every comment.

I strongly believe, that building and spreading awareness of this problem is a MUST. It's important to acknowledge that the problem exists in the first place, before anyone will find the answer and solution to similar issues.

Right now I would like to ask you all, to consider visiting original post by @likwid - where the entire conversation took place. Find @transisto comment and try to find a way to convince this user, that downvoting others for that particular reason is not going to serve anyone. Let's remember to be polite and mature.

I hope I'm not asking for too much. After all - do you want to end up being another victim of 850k SP downvote? Simply because you're not using downvotes yourself? Is it not in EVERYONE'S interest to change this user's mindset. And do it without causing confrontation.

RESTEEM IF YOU CAN

I would appreciate every resteem, as I believe this topic is quite important and I would like to hear what other people have to say.

So drop an upvote (50% rewards will go right away to support @project.hope) and share your own thoughts. I read all comments. Always.

Yours, Piotr

Link to original publication:
https://goldvoice.club/steem/@likwid/how-to-use-likwid-to-get-your-rewards-instantly-into-liquid-steem-and-sbd

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Comments 355


I've heard about this incident already. Awful.

@tipu curate

27.01.2020 09:50
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27.01.2020 09:50
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Thank you for putting out the memo. I thought that I was doing the right thing by supporting these accounts, but I just realise that these people do not actually contribute to the Steem block-chain in any way, they just seek to attack those who are creating content.

Rather pathetic if you ask me. Part of the goal of Steem's mission is mass adoption and they are against that.

27.01.2020 10:56
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It's hard not to agree with you @shaidon. It is rather pathetic.

Did you use @likwid services in the past? I was actually thinking about starting up - but after getting to know closer person behind this project I decided that it wouldn't be good idea.

Yours
Piotr

27.01.2020 11:26
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I hadn't. I just upvoted their last post of 5 days ago. I have reduced the payment to 0% after finding all this out. Unfortunately, there will always be bad actors on the block-chain.

27.01.2020 12:00
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I think there's a culture of victimhood that makes it worse than it is, everyone has the right to upvote and downvote anything as they please. Be it due to the content or the person and relationships they have with various stakeholders

I'm not here to take sides I feel that is a waste of time, I'm only here to defend everyone's freedom to choose what they do. The who where and why of where steem is allocated is irrelevant in my opinion and trying to say who should have it and what they should do with it isn't up to us, but the individual.

I feel the market regulates itself over time.

I downvote every day to anyone who purchases upvotes and get my fair share of downvotes in return. I know personal opinions are hard to put aside and you have the right to feel however you want but I just feel its a microcosm of the bigger picture.

At the end of the day, we all just want to distribute the inflation that all upvotes and downvotes do

27.01.2020 09:52
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yes.. this is the wild wild west.. everybody can and should technically do what he or she wants.. but same applies to us.. if we decide that we find this behavior bad its 100% our right to organize something against those crazy downvote schemes..

27.01.2020 10:35
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Oh yes for sure if its a wide spread systematic issue i can totally agree things should be changed but this school yard who picks on who thing i dont see the point of making a fuss about

27.01.2020 10:45
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That I agree to. Flagging means "I think you should get less rewards" - and it's for each of us to decide why.I'm against "counter flagging" - but telling people about what happened, that is reasonable.

27.01.2020 11:49
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I never flag without giving my reason! I think it should be common courtesy! Perhaps a prompt when you downvote to give a reason or select from a list of popular reasons may help

27.01.2020 11:55
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Hi, @chekohler, your answer gave me a funny thought:

This is a nice paradox: having the courtesy to explain to someone why they have been flagged. To use an analogy in the physical encounter, it would be like punching someone unexpectedly in the stomach. Then you would bow politely and say gently, "I punched you in the stomach because I don't support your action."

The other person who has just been punched answers without resentment: "Thank you. I needed that."

In so far as both acknowledge the premise that one should express one's disagreement to someone with a measure which, precisely because it is considered painful, should have its effectiveness, everything is fine, isn't it?

An even more beautiful paradox would be to ask in advance whether the person I am about to downvote has the same premise? If he answers "yes", then my intention to flag him would meet with no resistance. The complete agreement to be flagged would make itself superfluous in this way, wouldn't it?

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30.01.2020 08:17
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By that logic no one would flag anyone becAuse everyone would claim innocense and nothing would get done! You’re basing your assumption on the ideal that we are all going to be blatently honest and fourthright which if we were would eliminate flags all together becAuse we all agree on the same set of rules

They ability to disagree using your stake is important or even more important than agreeing with your stake since you can flow capital into constructive action and away from destructive action

30.01.2020 08:23
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Oh, I wasn't assuming but only felt to speak about a paradox. I am not opinionating.

30.01.2020 08:26
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Lol my bad for the misunderstanding and yes your paradox illustration us funny I do admit that

30.01.2020 08:28
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:))

30.01.2020 08:40
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Late thank you for dropping by @erh.germany and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.

To use an analogy in the physical encounter, it would be like punching someone unexpectedly in the stomach

Isn't better to give people explanation or not to give one?
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:51
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I just was sneaking in as I did not want to engage too much in the debate.

I give you a reply I started later on this comment of mine, in exchange with logiczombie on his blog; especially on the given example you picked out.

Maybe this answers your question? - Here is the thread:

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@logiczombie/q4z1zt

Greetings :)

06.02.2020 17:49
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It's me again @erh.germany

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 14:59
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It's a simple question.

(IFF) you don't have a reason for your action (THEN) you are by definition an un-reasonable person (a person who acts without reasons).

(IFF) you claim to have a reason but refuse to reveal it, claiming it is secret, or unimportant, or "just too complicated to explain" (THEN) your unrevealed reason is functionally-indistinguishable from NO reason (AND) you are therefore functionally-indistinguishable from an un-reasonable person (a person who acts without reasons).

06.02.2020 18:31
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Organizing - I'm against "counter-flagging". But informing the Steem public about it is important and everyone can decide what they want to do.

27.01.2020 11:51
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Late thank you for dropping by @muscara and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.

why are you against counter-flagging?

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:49
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Hi @solarwarrior

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:48
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Thank you for this amazing comment @chekohler

And I'm sorry it took me a while to reply.

everyone has the right to upvote and downvote anything as they please

Of course. Everyone can downvote anything as they please. However it's important to understand that there is no tool that would counter downvote abuse - something that is killing steem limited userbase and is bringing really terrible reputation outside of our blockchain.

ps. my publication seem to attracted wrong kind of attention. So many large downvotes. Crazy shit, heh?

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:47
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It depends on your perspective of killing it’s killing users who want to spam, bot, content farm and now it’s showing steem for what it is, it id rather have a base of less abuse that is smaller than a huge base of free for all abuse!

As downvotes are killing accounts so was spamming botting and content farming killing the experience on a far greater level!

I think downvoting is a healthy equilibrium and attaching personal feelings to a system will get you nowhere! If people don’t like what steemit is doing then head over to a tribe!

Its up to the individual not the system bending every time a minority has a tiff

06.02.2020 14:47
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Downvotes

This is a problem within steemit, people with this great power to vote always do what they think is best, maybe that is one of the things in steemit (as a decentralized network) that can blow against and not in favor of integrating more people in this platform.

I simplydownvote accounts that have theirs downvotes power unused at 100%

Many people within the platform, especially new users are practically unaware that there are negative votes, others have used it, of course, I have done it when they spam me, but before considering it I ask you to please stop, and if it is someone new I tell you that no more asking for votes or anything similar in the comments, to persist, if I do downvote ... but not because I do not agree with some issue, for example. We all have different ways of thinking.

27.01.2020 10:09
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Hi @josevas217

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:51
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Wow, that is crazy. Actually those downvotes from users/accounts, who has voting power 15 I really am not afraid of. But those like you just mentioned, the reason sounds ricidolous.

27.01.2020 10:30
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Exactly @ritxi

27.01.2020 13:05
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I have seen that comments already in the post and this reason to downvote is like a joke. Downvote is power given to us that we should use when find someone posting spam or abusing the system.
There is no such condition that one has to use it. Its completely user's decision to use it or not and like the same we we do with upvote. No should force anyone to use DV and just because user is not using downvote then no DV should be given to that user.

I personally think this kind of acts will harm our blockchain where even freedom is not given to choose. Can we expect mass adoption this way? I am promoting steem with all my friends and relatives but if this trend continues then I would have to stop promotion this will not be helpful for our platform and community.

As you mentioned we are already a small community and if we need to grow then we have to move beyond all this things and do something productive for Steem rather than harming our own blockchain.

Thanks @crypto.piotr for raising your voice against it and I hope more people would come forward to support and to stop this downvote abuse.

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27.01.2020 10:47
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Hi @alokkumar121

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:52
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😀 lol. Thanks for your kind words my friend but you know that I am with you and you can count on me always.
Have a great daay buddy @crypto.piotr

06.02.2020 13:35
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We were losing users before this became a problem may have increased the numbers but essentially steem is flawed always has been

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27.01.2020 11:11
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The biggest flows IMHO are that not only a single downvote could outweigh all the upvotes (if the downvoter has higher reputation and plenty of steam power), but also there's absolutely no way to prevent such behemoth downvoter from just going through one's blog and downvoting every single post and comment he finds. (Now that's when one really feels targeted.) Obviously this doesn't encourage users to stay.

27.01.2020 22:32
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Very good point @yvhobbit

06.02.2020 12:55
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Late thank you for dropping by @qam2112 and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:54
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Hello dear @crypto.piotr, it is a very unpleasant experience to strive to create a publication and then realize that someone decided to reject it with a negative vote for a reason that person believes is fair.

It also happened to me in one of my publications, maybe I am not the best content creator but I try hard to do my best.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@fucho80/can-steem-make-the-big-jump-to-the-top

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27.01.2020 11:41
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Dear @fucho80

I absolutely agree with you. Hopefully you don't mind taking few minutes and visiting original post where entire discussion started and politely sharing your view with this author about him downvoting others for such an absurd reasons.

Right now it seem that many people read my post, agreed with me - but noone cared to actually 'act' :(

ps. thx for sharing info about your post and @stayoutoftherz downvote. I replied to it already as well.

Cheers
Piotr

27.01.2020 13:30
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It happens to all of us and most earn way less and do not get a reason given for the downvote at all.

28.01.2020 05:57
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I didn't know that happened to you, man. I guess Steemit isn't as free as we thought.

28.01.2020 11:27
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Every time I think Steem can't get more surreal - oh yes, it can!

I use my down votes where I think it's appropriate. Flagging just to be seen flagging - well... Anyone remember Harry Potter's Minister Fudge? Nope, I don't want to become that.

27.01.2020 11:44
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Hi again @muscara

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 10:14
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transisto downvotes for all kinds of weird reasons, it's nothing new.

27.01.2020 11:58
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Serious ? I didn't know about it @drakos.

ps. I've read your description and it seem that we're sharing similar interests. However your latest post is over 3 weeks old. Hope you're not giving up on Steemit yourself?

Cheers
Piotr

27.01.2020 12:37
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How about just go downvote 10 new Steemian who make a mistake and spam the place.... downvote them at 1% and let them know In a comment that your 1% Downvote is meant Only as a gentle reminder that Spam is Not welcome on The Steem Blockchain. How about that ?

27.01.2020 20:44
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Late thank you for dropping by @offgridlife and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:57
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Hi again @drakos

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 10:07
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Saludos amigo. Particularmente no me agrada dar votos negativos. Hay personas acá que les agrada muchísimo, dar negatividad, pues que lo disfruten. En algún momento, algo de ese negativo se devuelve.
Me han dado negativos, ni se porque. Espero que se sientan bien los que lo hacen. Pero no vine a esta plataforma a dar mi rotundo pensamiento, ideas, o negativos, para decir, de que está bien publicado y que está mal. Entiendo que es una plataforma libre. Los negativos, no los quiero.

Greetings friend. I don't particularly like to give negative votes. There are people here who like it very much, give negativity, because they enjoy it. At some point, some of that negative is returned.
They've given me negatives, I don't know why. I hope those who do feel well. But I did not come to this platform to give my resounding thoughts, ideas, or negatives, to say, that it is well published and that it is wrong. I understand that it is a free platform. The negatives, I don't want them.

27.01.2020 12:00
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Todos somos dueños de esta plataforma y representa algo.
¡Contenido bueno, propio, sin plagio y sin spam!
No es negativo luchar contra esto. Si pones esfuerzo en lo que escribes, otros pueden hacer lo mismo. Si no le gusta, puede estar en Twitter para esa línea o enlace o usar Facebook.

We all own this platform and it stands for something.
Good, own content, no plagiarism and no spam!
It is not negative to fight this. If you put effort in what you write others can do the same. If you do not like that you can be on Twitter for that one line or link or use Facebook.

28.01.2020 06:07
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Eso es exactamente lo que me refiero. Respeto y que respeten. Sea bueno o malo, para ti la publicación que trabajaste es buena. Entonces dejen trabajar.

That is exactly what I mean. Respect and respect. Good or bad, for you the publication you worked for is good. Then stop working.

28.01.2020 10:45
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I dont really like downvoting someone,and i dont agree on reasoning of transisto. But the blockchain is made to include that to filter bad content and bad actors, abuse will still be there,the only advice is to make this issue highlighted within the community. And let many steemians be aware of this. 😤

27.01.2020 12:04
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Hi @crypto.piotr

It is no secret to anyone that this type of accord generates a lot of discomfort, and makes new ones who are just entering the platform flee.

In all the publications I receive downvotes, without any justification but I ignore them but it still bothers to see them and know that they are there.

I do not justify this type of action without any justification, and that justification alleging that you do not use your downvotes, is not valid.

Saludos.

27.01.2020 12:43
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You are very active ... and I don't want to talk about downvote, because it's out of the ordinaryness of social platforms published by steem developers. But I want to ask you why you are powering down the steem power. Is it because you are always downvoted ...

27.01.2020 12:48
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Hi @good-darma

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

But I want to ask you why you are powering down the steem power. Is it because you are always downvoted ...

Im powering down because I powered up to much and I needed some liquid steem to pay for some things :)

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:58
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@transisto is just a crazy asshole. And I mean that literally.

He's crazy because he has no consistent set of logic that anyone can follow. It's just whims that he thinks make sense.

He's an asshole because he deems everyone who doesn't follow his idiotic rules as inferior.

Just expect that if your post gains visibility, he's going to downvote and make up some reason. If you expect the "reason" to be sensible, fair, or anything else a reasonable person would do it's either your first time dealing with him or you have yet to accept that there are terrible people in the world.

27.01.2020 13:21
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ok that makes sense now. My post was trending a bit, but he used bots to boost his way above mine (not that I was competing with him as I wasn't aware of him and hardly check the trending page now) so he couldn't use post payout nor bid bots as an excuse as I didn't use any.

27.01.2020 17:15
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cut the bullshit, nobody believes a word you say by now, and of all people you found yourself an advocate that is a scammer and a spammer? think better next time. cheers.

28.01.2020 08:48
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Thank you for this kind comment @nealmcspadden

And I'm sorry it took me a while to reply. I just noticed your old comment a moment ago.

Just expect that if your post gains visibility, he's going to downvote and make up some reason.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person :)

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:01
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Hi again @nealmcspadden

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 10:03
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Actually, a community like this is what steemit needs to keep users. Steem lost me some months ago but i am glad i am back due to the good interaction i find in this community.

It is very to spend hours developing something very creative only to post it and get no one to view it. It is more depressing when it just get a flag for no reason or because the person flagging feels he has the right to flag anything.

People want to engage in a community and not chased. Also, some whales still enjoy voting themselves and their rings, well, i hope this stops someday.

27.01.2020 13:37
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Thank you for this kind comment @futurekr

And I'm sorry it took me a while to reply. I just noticed your old comment a moment ago.

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person :)

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:01
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Ah Transisto being Transisto again.

27.01.2020 13:42
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I presume it's not first time you're hearing about him @enforcer48?

I wonder how his business will be doing once @thecryptodrive proposal (the one to change powering down to 4 weeks) will be implemented. Demand for @likwid services will surely die.

Anyway thx for dropping by buddy :)
Yours, Piotr

27.01.2020 13:46
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He's an interesting character. A lot of us have worked with or worked around him in the past.

Doubt Likwid will die. Plenty of people wanting to cash out quick will use it. Unless power down goes to 1 week or instant, it won't affect business much.

27.01.2020 13:51
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Hi @crypto.piotr

I find it very abusive that a person is given downvotes, especially if he is starting and finds no motivation to move forward on the platform.
I agree with you that the best thing to do is talk about the problem and find solutions among all, we must let you know that these abuses do not seem like us.
Thank you for your important contribution to this problem that affects us all, who receive downvotes without any explanation.

27.01.2020 13:44
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..yes, i heard about this steemian..although there are seemingly reasons for downvotes (read @acidyo‘s post here: https://goldvoice.club/steem/@acidyo/explanations-to-our-downvotes-and-the-need-of-them-for-a-better-steem ), it should be a real reason to downvote posts and not, as it seems, just a thing of unsatisfaction or even hate or similar..in my opinion it’s getting a problem that many people here don’t give a thing to quality content or seeing steemit as a social media thing, but it’s all about ‚getting rich‘ fast...guess that most steemians are caring more about their steem account and price of steem, while they forget that it is still a content platform..anyway, it’s a sign of missing self respect and respect in general and a wrong way to care just for one‘s own coins..it is still almost forgotten that TOGETHER is the key for success..guess that’s how the whole story started..there will be a fair solution, i m sure..up..follow you..resteemed..steem on!..and don’t let you loose the will to continue..this would be the wrong answer..
!invest_vote
..and enjoy..

27.01.2020 13:55
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Late thank you for dropping by @enjoykarma and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:03
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..ok, thank you..

06.02.2020 14:55
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Hi again @enjoykarma

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 15:00
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...of course!!..hard times??!!..

05.03.2020 15:20
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@enjoykarma denkt du hast ein Vote durch @investinthefutur verdient! ----> Wer ist investinthefutur ?
@enjoykarma thinks you have earned a vote of @investinthefutur !----> Who is investinthefutur ?

27.01.2020 13:59
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Good post to say the fact...thanks for the heads-up.

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27.01.2020 14:06
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Hi again @adexbafo

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:18
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@crypto.piotr ,

THen I would feel insecure using Steemit only. I actually been wondering if downvoting impacts your earning. My posts always get some downvotes and I tend to ignore them but it hurts a bit, if it won't impact earnings ok, but otherwise it hurts.

I accepted downvotes as part of posting stuff here... but I heard this from a Publishx platform user , see image , clearly Steemit platform already has people who don't advocate Steemit because of downvote reason -:

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And I am actually finding Steemit complicated!! ... I was seeing how to withdraw Steem in FAQ posted in Steemit and I tried blocktrades it did not work, ok.

Then I check up that Shapeshift, but found out that Steem coin is not even supported there though in 2016 articles say Steem got listed i Shapeshift.

Finally through googling I understood I can withdraw Steem coin to Binance exchange and it worked. But see, its complicated already and updated information is not there in the steemit FAQ!!

With that there is this Steem, Steem Power, Steem liquid, powering up and down . It's not simple... I know something theoretically on all this but until I practically power down and get my Steem in more liquid form then only I actually know how things work, in transfering power up steem here as Steem to be converted as money.

Along with this add Downvoting punishment, it's a lot to take

Anyway... Definitely community is important. After tribes, there is better way to find posts on travel, crypto than earlier and get community engagement, it makes it lively and worthwhile, users love being in Steemit for there is community engagement. There's good rewards, when good content is discovered by tribes.

If people leave, then we lose a part of community, feels bad, we must keep Steemit users happy and motivated to be in the platform for sure.

For ex, i love CAT tribe here, find it fun, irrespective of the cat token value because of a connection as a cat person and parent. It's sad that there is this villanic power of downvoting when we just beginning to enjoy something over here.

27.01.2020 14:06
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Thank you for this kind comment @mintymile

And I'm sorry it took me a while to reply. I just noticed your old comment a moment ago.

And I am actually finding Steemit complicated!!

Indeed. LEarning curve is really difficult here.

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person :)

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:04
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Dear @crypto.piotr. After I read your post and I thought, what do you say about DOWNVOTE. And I totally agree with your opinion on this matter.
The STEEMIT blog has launched a bot to detect posts that smell fraudulent or the like. But why doesn't the STEEMIT blog launch a bot to detect DOWNVOTE misuse?
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27.01.2020 14:22
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And which bot is that? You seem confused.

27.01.2020 15:27
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Hi @crypto.piotr thanks for your response and support to my recent absurd experience. Since I raised the issue, I have found out this type of behaviour from transisto is not un-normal and I'm not the first, and no doubt not the last one to become a victim.

Fortunately, having been on the platform for over two years, I've seen enough to not scare me away (though this incident must rank at the top) and know that this does not represent the majority of Steemit. What worries me is the newbies and minnows who may be targetted by these bullies. I know certainly if this happened to me last year, it would have probably threw me into fits.

I don't believe these people and behaviour can be reasoned with. Some are just born like that, it is intrinsic to them and can't be re-programmed, no matter how hard you try. That much I have learnt over the past seven months from the events in Hong Kong. You just need to wait for them to rot naturally. It's a long and painful process but we'll get there in the end.

Naming and shaming them (not they that probably care anyway) might help to speed up the process. But making sure more people on Steemit are aware of the issue will definitely help those if they are targetted. I know for sure from the comments on my post, there is plenty of support from the community and that's what keeps this place alive.

27.01.2020 15:06
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I really enjoyed reading your mature response @livinguktaiwan

Is there any way to DM you? I would like to get in touch with you. Nothing really important - it's just I like to get in contact (outside steem) with people I value for one reason or another.

Also if you would ever be flagged again - I will gladly help to counter it (since I'm managing @project.hope with it's 300k SP).

Cheers
Piotr

27.01.2020 15:26
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Hi there, I did try to find you on Discord, but I can never figure out how to search for people :-(

My id is livinguktaiwan#6787

Thanks

27.01.2020 16:25
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I also always have similar trouble @livinguktaiwan

I found discord quite complicated and I personally prefer telegram. Anyway, I added you already. Could you please add me too? crypto.piotr#3426

Cheers
Piotr

27.01.2020 18:13
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It's me again @livinguktaiwan

I don't believe these people and behaviour can be reasoned with. Some are just born like that, it is intrinsic to them and can't be re-programmed, no matter how hard you try.
You just need to wait for them to rot naturally. It's a long and painful process but we'll get there in the end.

I agree. For that reason I'm trying to reach out to those who use likwid services or following him. To ensure that he will lose at least some of his "customers" and supporters.

He already lost few. And if 4 weeks power down period will be implemented (instead of current 13 weeks) - then this user will be absolutely out of business. Because there won't be any demand left for his services.

Cheers, Piotr

27.01.2020 15:30
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Dear @crypto.piotr,
I appreciate for your sharing about this valuable issue.
At first steemit has to release a new hardfork. Because steemit users do not keen on sharing after last one.
Let's come to downvote,
in my opinion downvote should not decrase the post value. Of course some sharings may contain totally opposite thoughts. But there is a big exertion in every post. My advice is: downvote should not decrase post value, but after %50 of vote number is downvote than steemit may erase the post. Other more logical adoption might put into action.
Thank you for this valuable post.

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27.01.2020 15:08
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Hi @huseyinunozkan16

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

ps. I just visited your profile and I see that your latest post is 4 months old. how come?

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:06
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Hope all is well soon .

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27.01.2020 15:18
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Thanks for raising your voice about these issues. You're one of the few people who actually care about these things. This isn't the 1st time this account has been doing these crazy stuff and that's just how the stake based voting works. Unfortunately the incentives for those stake is just setup very badly. You get 2.5 downvotes per day. That's just way too much. I also think we need to create stronger communities where the votes of these crazy stake holders don't do much damage. I've also seen some transactions with newsflash promobot and zer0hedge accounts. It's probably connected to the same user.

27.01.2020 16:54
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Hi @d-zero

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

I also think we need to create stronger communities where the votes of these crazy stake holders don't do much damage

Perhaps you would be interested in joining @project.hope? Are you on discord? DM me: crypto.piotr#3426

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person and I got hammered :)

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:11
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I'm already following @project.hope :)

06.02.2020 13:55
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Glad to hear that @d-zero

Let me know what do you think about being part of our community and efforts? Your content does fit well our interests and I can see it as a win-win collaboration.

You know my discord already :)

Cheers
Piotr

06.02.2020 14:42
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Ever notice how no one makes a post about an unfair upvote?

OMG I just got an upvote from (nameabigwhale).. and my content wasn't even that good.

We have to have downvotes and because we are playing this game without a unified vision or even goals... Everyone is acting on their own views of what is good and bad for the platform. In addition some people are just wildly unreasonable.

If you want to accept upvotes you have to take the downvotes and yes we are surrounded by humans who all have a different vision and different ideas on what is good and bad and in some cases (rare) even bad intentions.

Making posts about how you are a hero for downvoting or a victim from getting a downvote is just lame.

Accept the good the bad and the ugly and if you feel you are being treated unfairly, try to find someone to offset the problem.

27.01.2020 17:09
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If someone said my post was shit and downvoted it, I'd take it with a pinch of salt even if I didn't agree to it. If someone downvotes me because they say I shouldn't let my VP site at 100%, that's another matter.

What the hell does my voting power have to do with anyone on Steemit? What gives them the right to tell me what to do with it? Even my mum can't tell me what to do and she doesn't punish me if I don't listen to her.

27.01.2020 17:29
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I personally think it is a really ridiculous reason to downvote, but I happen to think several of our whales are completely random and have difficulty controlling their feelings.

Keep in mind these are highly intelligent but likely socially challenged people.

In any case we do have to accept unreasonable upvote and downvotes.

27.01.2020 17:38
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Keep in mind these are highly intelligent but likely socially challenged people.

Very true. Very true.

Once again thank you for sharing your view with us.
Piotr

27.01.2020 18:30
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Dear Piotr, lets cut the bullshit and now,you are nothing but a spammer and a scammer,
a spammer due to your transfer memos, and a scammer due to you being in charge of "project hope", a project that is nothing but a circlejerk run by 5 venezuelans, and to which you shamelessly claim a "100 %ROI".
I suggest you cut the bullshit and the whining, and start working for the real improvement of the platform.
Regards,
Jaguar Force

28.01.2020 07:14
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Look Jaguar.
You have no idea how project.hope works.

You think you are an expert and you are actually a rude vulgar.
You always make empty accusations without finding out thoroughly.

I have seen you accuse plagiarism of plastic artists without being true. You do some supposed "investigations" to accuse someone and look good before "GOD." I don't envy your work.

I beg you to stay away from us. In Steemit there are quite a few cases of improper behavior with which you can get distracted.

Jaguar.force itself is a true "circlejerk". The guilty parties are you. We use our true personal accounts to work. We do not hide in other accounts as "Crow" (Cuervo).

Piotr is not a scammer. Find someone who has felt cheated by him. Go, find someone who accuses him of scam and then you and I will talk.

28.01.2020 14:43
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Frankly, I coulnd't give a fuck less about what you think.
Have a great day

28.01.2020 22:37
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Just drop it @juanmolina. It's pointless.

29.01.2020 07:46
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!dramatoken

29.01.2020 06:40
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You've got DRAMA. You are going to be a Whale!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

29.01.2020 06:40
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Dear @jaguar.force, @juanmolina

I'm sorry to hear that you consider our efforts nothing but "circle-jerking". You surely have a right to have your own opinion - I still believe that what we're doing is good for STEEM and I enjoy seeing our community around @project.hope to grow slowly.

So again, I respect your opinion - however I would like to point of that my current publication is about something else: potential downvote abouse.

Could you please let me know, if you really do not see my points valid? That being downvoted for 'not downvoting others' isn't mindset worth supporting?

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:44
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@jaguar.force I would like Steem to become more successful and gain wider adoption.
For that to occur people need to be able to accumulate and distribute Steem.
The oligarchy here which promotes flags as a virtue, is literally driving users and potential users away.
This comment of yours, it leads me to suspect that you are part of that oligarchy which is actively working against the success of the platform and Steem.
I doubt that anyone could be so divorced from reality that they actually believe that this pathetic behavior helping to attract users lol

you accusations against @crypto.piotr are so pathetic they could have come from @berniesanders or @themarkymark

29.01.2020 20:46
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Dear @crypto.piotr, thanks for your great work.

It is not easy to find people with a firm opinion and position in the face of behaviors such as these, in addition to having the courage to denounce and expose them without fear of being disqualified and attacked by whales who want to forcefully impose their point of view.

I have read comments that say that the reasons behind the negative votes is the health of the ecosystem and the good functioning of the palataforma. Honestly, this discussion demonstrates everything that is contrary and what it says is that there are people with unconsiderable voting power who abuse that great power, and vote with vague and meaningless criteria publications that simply do not fit their way of thinking or their particular taste . If you don't like something, keep going.

A discussion like this and an attitude of "gunman" not only frightens and increases new users, but also the older ones who find it difficult to attract traffic to their publications.

Great gesture friend, congratulations.

28.01.2020 17:18
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Thank you for your supportive comment @fucho80
And enjoy your weekend ahead :) Yours, Piotr

01.02.2020 09:07
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''In any case we do have to accept unreasonable upvote and downvotes.''
I have two questions.

What is an unreasonable upvote?

And why should anyone accept flags for anything other than plagiarism?

To accept such behavior is clearly the death of Steemit, it needs more users.

if the aim is to de-fang Steem and make it irrelevant everything makes sense.

29.01.2020 19:55
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Perhaps some do want to make the blogging side irrelevant.

Many believe that endusers do not add value, so in their mind, any upvote is unreasonable, so feel self upvoting is unreasonable. All sorts of people have different views.

Now what?

29.01.2020 19:57
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I dont see that they want to make the blogging side irrelevant.
They want to make the human connection irrelevant which is possibly the number one component.

''Now what?''
Get clear about how flags are used: Farming and plagiarism and abusers who flag outside those perimeters such as @berniesanders / @themarkymark and the rest of the irredeemable's

30.01.2020 05:16
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And how will I enforce this on Bernie and Marky?

30.01.2020 05:18
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@whatsup, I agree here with the first two sentences. I don't agree with the last because you don't give a gun to a kid who has never used one and tell him to go play nicely with his friends. You definitely shouldn't give it to a person who has ill-intent. Where is the vetting process? Not everyone needs the power to DV.

My opinion.

29.01.2020 22:44
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Well that's a funny opinion. Who is going to Vett? Based on What criteria?

How is the open and decentralized?

29.01.2020 22:47
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I do understand that this is a libertarian platform and most people here don't believe there is a government here on the platform because it is "open and decentralized."

Who is going to vett is a good question. How can that be developed is another good question. Neither one do I have an answer for at this time.

Based on what criteria? That would also have to be developed. I'm sure some of you that have been around would have some opinions on it. Maybe the criteria is as rigorous as becoming a doctor; maybe something a little less intensive. Right now, as it is, if a person has money, they have the power to control (government) what happens on this platform. Money should not be the deciding criteria because the some of those people with the money have ill-intention or just simply have a strong opinion about something.

I say leave the DV that doesn't take away any money but don't give everyone the power to take (steal) other people's money.

29.01.2020 23:17
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It's a DPOS (Delegated Proof of Stake) platform, that means... Literally... those who are invested make the decisions.

Sort of like a business owner. Those who do not make the decisions do not.

The entire blockchain runs on that... The entire distribution runs on that.

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it less true.

While your ideas are great, they do not match the Steem Blockchain. Maybe a bunch of you should get together and make a competitor programmed around some different criteria.

29.01.2020 23:32
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Again, it comes down to who has the most money and that shouldn't be the one deciding factor. What about time invested in the platform? What makes this not count?

But, my opinion doesn't matter here because I'm a homeless dude without much money and, therefore, shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. Many of the content creators here, while they may not be homeless, don't have much money either; but we do bring something to the platform: our under-valued content that gets us little return on our time invested. But, hey, we're poor. So who gives a fuck. As you said...

Sort of like a business owner. Those who do not make the decisions do not.

This is my current opinion on how this platform is run.

I'm still here though, chipping away.

29.01.2020 23:45
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I'm glad you are here... and you can hold opinions, but the opinions you hold are on a Delegated Proof of Stake Blockchain.

Which means... All decisions are based on stake. All distribution is based on stake. It's just a fact no matter what people's circumstances are.

29.01.2020 23:49
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Thanks, mate. Glad to hear.

I do have a stake in the platform, but it isn't enough money for people to turn heads. And this is one of the reoccurring problems I've seen since my time being on this platform. It has come across it too many times. Something about it just isn't working.

29.01.2020 23:57
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I agree it is very flawed. But I guess I think it helps to understand why it works the way it works.

maybe not.

30.01.2020 00:03
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Nice speaking with you.

I do have one thing I hope that you would be willing to help out a little, that is if it is something that you would support. plan of action.

It is abuse flagging from a person that shouldn't have the power to DV but does because he has money and nothing else from what I've seen.

Peace, brother.

30.01.2020 00:09
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Late thank you for dropping by @tristancarax and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:14
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What an excellent and mature comment @tristancarax

01.02.2020 09:08
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🙏🏼

01.02.2020 21:39
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Thanks for dropping by and your supportive comment @tristancarax

It's hard not to agree with you,
Piotr

01.02.2020 09:08
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hold on here... if your VP is sitting at 100% that indicates you are not only not downvoting .. you are not UPVOTING others.

That begs the question.. if you're posting and expecting upvotes.. then why are you not upvoting others?

When my VP gets up to 100% it's a signal to me that I've not been active and need to get busy. You need to get busy engaging and upvoting others if you don't want to downvote.

Seems to me that transisto maybe didn't communicate as well as he could have but he has a point.

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28.01.2020 14:37
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First, I have a life outside and Steem, I don't monitor my VP 24 hours a day and upvote whenever it drops.

Second, I curate for other communities, when I'm not upvoting other people, I am still curating and supporting others

Third, in the 20 minutes before you cared so much to check my VP, I upvoted 5 posts, spent 10 ten minutes writing a comment because it takes me ages to write a comment in Chinese but I still do it because I care about reading posts and writing quality comments

Fourth, the last I checked my own VP, it was at 91% not 100%

Fifth, and I repeat, What the hell does my voting power have to do with anyone on Steemit?

Apart from downvoting random people, getting busy engaging and upvoting others, is there any thing else I need to do? I'll make sure I pin it up in front of my computer screen so I don't forget.

28.01.2020 15:05
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you are the one who made the statement about your 100%VP being the cause of you getting the downvotes. So since you don't want to get downvotes for 100% VP and don't want to be coerced into downvoting, it follows that more upvoting solves the problem.

Since you're curating for other groups .. maybe leave a browser open with your account logged into and upvote the posts your curating? Gives more support to who you are curating and uses up your VP.

28.01.2020 16:28
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So since you don't want to get downvotes for 100% VP and don't want to be coerced into downvoting, it follows that more upvoting solves the problem.

Are you for real?

HF21 and 22 anyone? And you are on the board? FFS, maybe that's why @elipowell still can't figure out where the power up button is.

29.01.2020 01:36
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Lol, can't find the power up button,...

@elipowell

!dramatoken

29.01.2020 06:42
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You've got DRAMA!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

29.01.2020 06:42
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lol

03.04.2020 15:01
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I must inform you that since the last hardfork in september there is two separate pools, one for downvotes and one for upvotes.
You can use only your upvotes and have your dv power at 100%.
You can easily see this by going for example to any profile in steemd, where you have 2 power lines, one for UV and another for DV.The issue highlighted here is not that she doesnt upvote, but that she doesnt downvote.

28.01.2020 22:48
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Dear @whatsup

Thank you for your kind comment. I actually appreciate your feedback greately. I always like to hear people thinking alike - however I like to hear out those who disagree even more.

I fully understand your view and in many ways you're right. Noone does say 'it's unfair' that I got upvoted. But do we ever in real life complain when we're receiving gift? Or someone is showing support (that's what upvotes means)?

People never do that. It's simply against our nature. Wouldn't you agree?

However majority of population will feel stressed if they will feel targeted. That's how we all function.

And if at the end of the day our goal is to bring new users and to keep them here - then we need to understand that we're dealing with people. And being sarcastic isn't going to help us to reach our goals.
(by the way, i really enjoy sarcasm and I enjoyed yours too))

Just like you said: Everyone is acting on their own views of what is good and bad for the platform
I do agree, that we need to have downvotes. However at the same time I believe, that it's important to build awareness between huge whales that this tool can bring damage if it's being used like a machine gun.

Making posts about how you are a hero for downvoting or a victim from getting a downvote is just lame.

Unfortunatelly it does reflect on your lack of understanding how general population seem to function :(

Yours, Piotr

27.01.2020 18:29
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And your constant cries for removing downvotes showcases that you don't understand it is the only tool we have for fighting those who would harm Steem.

You have to take the good with the bad and stop yelling about the unfairness.

28.01.2020 01:51
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have to agree with you on this. Instead of complaining about the downvoting, engage in educating people that they are a balancing point for the platform. That sometimes people doing the downvoting are not always going to make sense but it's going to happen.

As much as I loath Reddit ... the only real difference between downvotes here and downvotes on Reddit is that here they will impact rewards earned while on Reddit they impact visibility of the post. Their purpose is the same and just as important.

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28.01.2020 14:45
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Dear @shadowspub

Instead of complaining about the downvoting, engage in educating people that they are a balancing point for the platform.

What about educating people who have power to downvote others? What about educating them how powerful is this tool and what are consequences to those who are being often abused with flaggs?

I don't think "whales" need much protection here. But those users who receive downvotes for reasons like the one mentioned in the post (downvoted for not downvoting others) need to feel that someone care.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:55
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The biggest part of the problem is they wont be educated. They know how powerful it is and choose to use it indiscriminately at times. I suspect they are over-compensating for other failures but that is just a theory and one I prefer not to seek further on.

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29.01.2020 15:42
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Hi again @shadowspub

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:06
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We may have different views on very same topic @whatsup, however I respect the fact that you're very mature and polite with your replies.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:56
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I've never found that having different opinions makes others unlikable.

I think via discussion we can come closer to at least understanding another point of view and in some cases finding agreement.

I also respect others who can discuss differences without getting personal.

29.01.2020 09:19
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Hi, buddy. I don't really know what to say about what this person says, but it sounds to me like what a socialist dictatorial authority would say: If you don't like the way I'm governing, you'd better leave the country

But it would probably draw too much attention and I would also be a victim of downvotes. Which appear for no reason in my posts every time.

28.01.2020 10:56
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Firstly Read Complete Post Then Comment,
He @livinguktaiwan Downvoted For Not Using His Downvote Power.

27.01.2020 21:13
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I read the post

27.01.2020 21:17
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Thanks for dropping by and your supportive comment @khalil319

01.02.2020 08:56
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Post about being downvoted, gets $20+ for post. I should do that more often. But, knowing my luck, I probably will only get like $5-7 for it. lol

28.01.2020 01:24
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lol, I hear ya.

28.01.2020 04:07
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!dramatoken

Be right back with a special honorary @transisto Batman meme but had to call it before someone else does!

28.01.2020 02:45
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Here's your DRAMA. Don't spend it all in one place!

To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.

28.01.2020 02:45
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"Because @transisto's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."

xm3opu.jpg

I really love how the screen snip captured:

"I simply dowmvote"

To be perfectly honest, he could have stopped right there and not even extend the courtesy to these people. I'm generally not in favor of content agnostic downvotes but these is something I can can get on board with because it's some bullshit reasom people give for not using their dowmvotes to make Steem better.

A. They are a people pleaser that shirks duty for being liked and defers it to others.

B. They are a coward afraid of anything remotely controversial.

Both of these I have little if any respect for. If everybody had a mentality like that, this place would go to hell in a handbasket.

//////BREAK//////

@crypto.piotr,

Wish you would try to be more diligent about these kind of writing. Maybe ask for eyes from downvote communities BEFORE you publish something on a topic you demostrate to know little about. That would be highly adviseable as misinformation is harmful.

This really should be flagged to be honest. We need more downvotes as there is still plenty and I mean PLENTY of token manipulation going on.

You want a race to the bottom because not downvoting that stuff is how you get a race to the bottom.

28.01.2020 03:02
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I'm not sure I consider people who don't downvote lazy nor do I think many of the downvotes help a lot, but they are a necessary problem and it doesn't work at all without them.

We just have to accept not everyone is reasonable and we all have different agendas and tolerate each other if we can't respect the other people here.

The hero downvoters are equally obnious as the whiners.

28.01.2020 04:09
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28.01.2020 05:05
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As a individual on Steem with a personal account and personal stake, as long as ROI does not matter to you, you might feel free to downvote, but abstaining from downvotes is just something any business has to do though.

@heiditravels delegated her SP to some curation service, and then she had a bunch of complaints from her viewers about her SP contributing to downvotes toward them so she undelegated and apologized. Downvotes don't work for true professionals on Steem, just people here as a hobby will use downvotes long-term.

Why? Because business goes better the more you avoid conflict. This is why advertisers are concerned about what Youtubers say in their videos if their ads are in the video. Businesses want to make money and that means pissing off as few people as possible.

Downvotes are bad for business long-term. The investor argument that you are helping the network does not matter, because you're doing too much harm to your individual reputation. The idea that people will get use to downvotes is childish, it won't happen, and businesses will always be anti-downvote because it creates divisions.

Sorry, but this path people are taking Steem down is anti-business, which will only lead to Steem not becoming a hugely adopted platform.

29.01.2020 21:19
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Excellent comment @blake.letras

Why? Because business goes better the more you avoid conflict

You nailed it!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.And enjoy your weekend,
Piotr

01.02.2020 08:53
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I downvote when I come across a reason to do so. I don't downvote because some jerk or group of jerks decide it is my duty to do so. Your attitude is as much of the problem as those who think downvoting should be eliminated.

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28.01.2020 14:41
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Oh you're just arguing for the sake arguing. Ad hominem isn't an argument by the way.

You're just being a drama queen. Here take this. 👑

28.01.2020 15:12
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Grab a Snickers, Shadow. You'll be alright.

28.01.2020 15:17
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You do know that I entertain people because of my non-vanilla approach ? You just got a chip on your shoulder, lady. Looking for an axe to grind.

You merely adopted the downvote. I was born in it, molded by it.

28.01.2020 15:25
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Since you're a fan of Batman quotes:

"Its not about what I want. Its about what's fair!"

flips a coin...

Tails.

(Literally flipped a coin and it was literally tails)

29.01.2020 03:53
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This is literally the first time anybody has made my day with a downvote. 😁

But I have a question for you

If Joker is the agent of chaos, what is Two-Face an agent of? I may have missed some details while my daughter was treating my bro like a jungle gym so hoping you caught some insight.

I was tempted to think he is the same but perhaps chance is a distinct category in itself. Not sure. I'll probably pick up on it in the next run.

Way to give me something to ponder this evening. Cheers 🍻

29.01.2020 04:29
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Feel like I probably would have a more solid grasp on it had my daughter not been treating my brother like a jungle gym while we were trying trying to watch. Def a film I will adding to the Bluray collection.

Probably th others.rilogy for that matter. I was really blown away by the depth of the characters and themes during my second viewing and hope it will be the same w the others.

29.01.2020 04:36
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Oh but I gather the implication of my being put to the coin test was your concurrence with @shadowspub.

Or did you out her to the same test and just didn't comment?

Just trying to read the subtext.

29.01.2020 04:42
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No one else was tested, I just thought I'd drop a quote as well, and this one fit the upvote/downvote theme. So, I grabbed a coin and decided if it was heads you would be upvoted and if it was tails you'd be downvoted.

29.01.2020 21:02
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You seem intuitively know it's the right thing to do but have this sort of dumb laissez-faire attitude that precludes you from telling others to do the same.

It is a problem that people like you don't want to see past your own hubris. This sort of self-righteous hypocritical indignation that instructing / influencing others to do what we know profitable is somehow reprehensible.

Get off your high horse unless you're gonna stop downvoting people. If you think it's good to downvote certain thing, why do you not tell others to do the same.

28.01.2020 15:58
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Gee, maybe I was shooting to high calling that group jerks... infantile morons might be closer to the truth. Get a life little one.

28.01.2020 16:31
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That's the best you got? Oh, the mean words.

Come back when you have an argument of substance. I think I more than amply provided my own.

28.01.2020 16:41
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you call that pompous windbag spewing an argument.. okay .. you roll with that

28.01.2020 21:15
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Way I recollect it going down is you came out swinging.

Did you think you were just gonna throw shade at not only me but my peeps... and I wouldn't clap back?

You know you could have approached my points in any number of ways but you chose the most base. I'd say it is a testament to your intellect or lack thereof.

You knew what you were doing but reckon you miscalculated or confused me for someone else.

Well, now you know. Go in peace.

28.01.2020 23:09
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OH is that what prompted your infantile behaviour... you saw yourself and your companions in a comment where I named no names.... well shucks.. but you know what they say ... IF the shoe fits, wear it.

29.01.2020 11:23
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You replied to my comment. Where you in a conversation another user and replied to me maybe?

It's too early for this. I need my coffee. Nah I just thought you were being snakey trying to get dig in on me and my guys.

All I know is esteem said you responded to me and it wasn't very nice. So, you can tell me to drink my baby bottle, change my diaper or whatever you wanna say but let the record show I didn't start the aggressions.

Bye

29.01.2020 12:50
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Maybe you are just having a bad day. In that case, I don't want to make it worse, ok.

But, if you're gonna make charges in a public forum, you would do well to make such charges in a way that is restorative.

Point out the where, why, when etc.

Not just make sweeping claims about a me and an entire group of people without anything specific.

That's not helpful and I perceived as you just trying to get a jab in and in public. Not something done in good faith or for discussion sake else it would have been framed differently.

And that's not hot air.

28.01.2020 23:22
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Dear @anthonyadavisii

Thank you for sharing your view on discussed topic with me. I actually really appreciate your time.

Wish you would try to be more diligent about these kind of writing.

I'm not sure how much more diligent could I be. I really already lost several "friends" because they felt targeted and I only managed to convince some of them to get back on steem.

And when I've seen others dealing with similar problem - I decided to speak out. Not to criticize any whales (I do believe that downvotes are necessary). But to build awareness that sometimes 'whales' are hurting all those "little people" - which is not ever going to help us increase and grow steem userbase.

BEFORE you publish something on a topic you demostrate to know little about.

Honestly, Im not sure how to reply to your words. I start to wonder if you even read my publication.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 12:17
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I'm just saying the "no downvote" types are doing themselves and us a disservice. It's not just one side. I was planning on executing a script to see the last time he downvoted was or if ever.

We don't they downvote the potato. Thats an easy target and puts back more for actual authors. If we use our dowmvotes, we can affect major change.

We have more power together than many think. The problem is leadership. I know you are bit of one so the way you influence these is of critical importance imo

29.01.2020 13:50
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Dear @anthonyadavisii

I'm just saying the "no downvote" types are doing themselves and us a disservice.

Correct. And for that reason I underlined within first sentence of my post, that I'm not against downvotes. I'm against downvote abuse.

It's a bit like saying: I'm not against guns, but I'm against using them to kill random people without explanation - or with some nonesense explanation.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me in such a mature and polite way.

Yours, Piotr

01.02.2020 08:56
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Transisto is a nutcase though, the downvote crying aside. lol.

Piotr is just taking it too personally. You need to learn to take it with a pinch of salt.
Vote, downvote... At the end of 7 days is what is yours.

28.01.2020 10:10
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Dear @lordbutterfly

Thank you for dropping by. I've been trying not to take it personally and my goal was to underline problem, which most users seem to scared to talk about. As a result I got downvoted massively by few large accounts as well.

I really don't like seeing more and more users leaving this platform, because they feel targeted and have no idea what to do about it.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:50
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Yes. I said this four years ago.

28.01.2020 13:07
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Does Patreon require the ability for users to remove someone's funding when you dislike them? No, you vote with your dollars by funding who you like and that is the extent to your power. Downvotes are in no way a requirement for the system, that is a religious stance some are taking here. It is foolishness because #NewSteem is less populated, less valuable and has more disgruntled people ditching it than old Steem because the bot votes didn't go away, they just switched to the downvote control tool.

Upvotes are a way of supporting financially those that you believe are worthy of it and it is proportional to your investment, that is as far as it needs to go. No, we do not need to control how others vote, including self-votes. Why? Because your votes are personal decisions that do have an impact on the overall value of the network, but only proportional to your risk. So, people acting foolish with their votes is fine because the damage is limited to the amount of money they have sunk into the network.

Having downvote control is similar to a neighborhood organization that starts giving home owners rules. True freedom loving people despise this sort of domination over people, forcing people to do with their own property what the organization wants and not what the owner wants. That's not decentralized freedom, that's more tyrannical governance.

29.01.2020 01:42
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Clearly Patreon and Steem operate differently.

On Steem you make a post and the audience (community) reacts for 7 days. They can upvote and downvote and at the end of the week, you get to keep the balance. That's all there is to it. If you don't like how it works that's fine. I fully acknowledge it is never going to be for everyone.

29.01.2020 01:51
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I disagree, I believe Steem is very similar in its overall purpose to Patreon. I have always thought that a mature Steem would not be as much a replacement for Reddit as it would be a replacement of Patreon.

Think what you want, but this open, universal upvote/downvote system has been recognized by Steemit Inc. to be a problem. It will either be changed or Steem will experience a slow death. Its a terrible idea to give people online that are anonymous such influential power simply for being well off. The solution is the removal of PoB for STEEM and to make it exclusively about RCs. At this point, PoB needs to be an SMT thing alone.

29.01.2020 03:33
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I'm not telling you an opinion. I am telling you how it is designed.

I get that some of the downvotes are mean spirited, I get that some of them are dumb. I get that they make some sad and mad.

I don't think you get how Steem works.

You can make a pretty picture about how you wish it works, but there are some pieces you just aren't understanding.

29.01.2020 03:49
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I know perfectly how Steem works. You really think its text storage is all that valuable? No one cares, for some, its an inconvenience.

Its the PoB system that makes it interesting. Still, Steemit Inc. in a rather recent post commented that it is unfair for a PoB system to be universal for all topics and communities. PoB how it works today does not work well at all.

PoB has potential, but its designed wrong right now. Free downvotes also tilts the atmosphere to a negative energy rather than a positive energy.

Also, I have explained to you why your argument for downvotes makes no sense. Your idea is the same idea made by neighborhood associations that try to control people and not let them do what they want with their own property. Its socialism essentially, wherein you never truly own your own property because others get to tell you what you must do with it.

The same principles are applied to downvotes. The only reason you want downvotes is to be able to hurt someone that does with their own STEEM what you dislike. But they really can't hurt the network, because they can only do as much harm to the network as they add to the network market cap.

Allow me to explain in more detail. Imagine someone buys 1 million STEEM and powers it up. All this person wants to do is upvote their own posts. Are they hurting the network? Nope, in fact, they are a net positive.

This person locked up a lot of STEEM, increasing the value of STEEM by reducing its circulating supply. This person cannot be hurting the network because they can only take the percentage of the reward pool equal to the value they add by staking. Every STEEM staked (powered up) increases the value of the circulating supply, which is why the staked STEEM receives inflation as a reward.

Now, you argue that they do hurt it by not upvoting high quality content. But they have no obligation to do that, and they are not really hurting the network by upvoting whatever they prefer to upvote because they are actually already a net positive by staking.

This idea that they MUST upvote content based on merit is a coercive, tyrannical position that is completely in opposition to the liberty and right of free action promised by decentralized systems.

So again, what is the downvote for? It is so that you have the power to force others to do what you want. Because every staked individual is a net positive, the downvote button is not essential. It does not matter how many times people try to repeat that it is essential, as a matter of fact, it is not.

29.01.2020 22:01
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This topic really seem to "touch you" @blake.letras :)

01.02.2020 09:13
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'Proof of brain' is meant to require brain, not wallet. That alone doesn't justify control, but it does demonstrate how proof of brain and thus the rest of the network are negatively impacted by upvoting garbage.

03.04.2020 14:58
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@whatsup, you heard him say stinc wants to end rewards for posting?

29.01.2020 06:38
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I didn't see that. I've never heard anyone at SteemIt Inc say that, they are still talking about onboarding.

I've heard several of our whales suggest it though.

29.01.2020 06:56
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@ned said it a long time ago.
'How about we just do away with rewards entirely?'
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29.01.2020 07:55
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@ned who? 🤓

30.01.2020 23:02
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Here, let me show you where they suggested that Steem would try to move away from STEEM as the reward system:

"Community-Based Value Standards
The problem is that different communities have different ideas of value. Right now STEEM stakeholders (Steem Power holders) determine what has value on Steem. These are people who cared enough about Steem to invest their time, energy, and capital, into the platform. But these are not people who even claim to be good judges of beautiful art or mesmerizing poetry.

"It is tyrannical to force one community to conform to the standards of another, and it's even worse to force every community to conform to the standards of one community. So, it should come as no surprise that other online communities have not flocked to the Steem blockchain and steemit.com.

"That’s why Smart Media Tokens (SMTs) are so important. SMTs will give every community the ability to have their own token which it will use to reward the most valuable contributors based on their own standards.
For these users, the STEEM token will drift into the background. It will be something they might need to power up if they want to perform more activities in their favorite community, or purchase goods inside a game like SteemMonsters.

"It will be similar to Gas on Ethereum, except unlike Gas, you will not be paying a fee that you never get back. You will always be able to power down your STEEM and leave the ecosystem if you so choose. This is key to making Steem the best blockchain in the world for powering free-to-use applications."

Source:
https://goldvoice.club/steem/@steemitblog/part-3-of-our-plan-to-onboard-the-masses-smart-media-tokens

There is a lot of whale support for the removal of the PoB system for STEEM as well. The goal here is to make STEEM a low inflation cryptocurrency primarily used for RC generation/delegation purposes.

I look forward to this hardfork. :)

29.01.2020 22:19
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Steem-power-delegation is vastly superior to pa.treon.

Voting is basically worthless for the majority of steemians (small fish).

31.01.2020 22:20
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Are you really saying that you would like to do away with voting which carries a financial reward? Or have I got that wrong?

I don't understand why you think that removing a concept like proof of brain would make any difference ?

01.02.2020 22:27
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I think he makes a great point here. The downvote has been rationalized until its supporters are blue in the face but the reality is simply that it is far too negative to work as intended. The user metrics basically speak for themselves. Very few want to endure the negativity even if there is money involved.

Remove downvotes, user activity will sky rocket, more people will come, the price of steem will go up, and steemit,inc will earn more ad revenue.

29.01.2020 22:11
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Dear @planter

Thank you for dropping by and sharing your view on that particular issue.

I've visited your profile just to learn,that you never posted anything. And yet you have 10k SP. It's quite confusing :) Are you fully into curating only?

Yours
Piotr

01.02.2020 09:12
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Yep, you are exactly right. The downvote button is a weapon for negatively much more than it is tool for accurately valuing content.

The downvote needs to go, or at least go to a handful of (paid) moderators.

29.01.2020 22:08
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Using negative votes may have good reasons, but when I have encountered cases of negative feedback, the author of the post asks what he did wrong, they do not respond and when you go to review the activity of the account that gave Downvote ... notes that does not publish anything and ALL the votes it makes are negative ... well, that is no longer normal and I do not think it is done for the tar goods and the health of the Steem blockchain.

29.01.2020 02:52
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If you want decentralized freedom you have to accept the good with the bad.

I think the way many of those downvoting are handling it, is silly. It is their right to do it and the system is designed around it.

You can yell about it, or you can try to understand why, quit taking it personally and understand how it works. It's up to you.

29.01.2020 03:35
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You're right @whatsup.

We must accept that we live in a world full of idiots. And that there are even worse idiots, who are on steemit and use DVP as they please just to please the whims of that pair of neurons that they have in that place where the brain should be.

You're right.

29.01.2020 04:17
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Yes, that is true. There are idiots of all flavors here. Some downvote, some upvote, some refuse to understand how it works and demand it works differently.

Humans come in all shapes and sizes and intelligence.

29.01.2020 06:33
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Wow! that was strong!

Well, there is an old saying that "God must love the crazy, because he has done many" unfortunately some of those crazy people have a problem in their heads that makes them feel pleasure in disturbing and harming other people, they are the ones we would call Troles, haters and (in offline cases) sociopaths.

30.01.2020 14:40
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Certainly, our world is not perfect and there is no "Paradise" without problems, I know that and I can accept that all things have something bad that accompanies them, but does not imply that I like such bad things and that I do not want their effects or manifestations are reduced or at least controlled.

In this particular case, one thing that I don't like very much is the existence of accounts with the appearance of bots of negative votes, those that never publish or post or comment and when you start to see their activity you find that since its creation it only emits negative votes without stop ... that's suspicious.

Although bot accounts of this type have not caused me many problems, I usually ignore them, but instead, cases of application of the "Law of the Strongest" in which a user with a lot of SP harasses, crushes and chases another user. I don't like that either.

30.01.2020 14:38
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Dear @whatsup, @pedrobrito2004

If you want decentralized freedom you have to accept the good with the bad.

Ehm. With full respect: there is no such a thing on steem blockchain as decentralized freedom. Word FREEDOM doesn't fit current situation. We're experiencing here more of a decentralized bullying than freedom :)

Anyway, have a great day ahead
Piotr

01.02.2020 09:04
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I have made lots of comments about unfair up votes
Most of them made by your buddies and their numerous accounts !
do you live in a cave?

29.01.2020 06:27
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I meant you don't see anyone say... I received an unfair upvote.

Not complaining about other people's stake and network.

29.01.2020 06:29
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Yea that would be right lol

29.01.2020 06:38
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Ever notice how no one makes a post about an unfair upvote?

Ever notice how a street-performer never complains when you leave $5 in their hat, but they throw a fit when you TAKE $5 OUT-of-their-hat and redistribute it to the other street-performers?

How weird is that?

31.01.2020 22:18
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While I don't totally agree, I certainly loved this comment. :)

31.01.2020 22:52
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While I don't totally agree...…….

haha you know its exactly the same.

02.02.2020 06:22
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No it isn't, It's more like a week auction where people can bid for a week, but I thought it was a reat comment.

03.02.2020 03:04
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haha that is perfect

02.02.2020 05:16
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The main isaue is that, as i said on my latest post, the bit stake holders of STEEM is only looking at the price, and not the value.

These reasoning to downvote is only about that: price.

Downvotes are needed on something like steem, but since we have way lower activity, people are finding the weirdest reasons to downvote anything.

Have you noticed some small downvotes spread randomly on almost every posts?

They are really small, but when you add up thousands of small downvotes...

27.01.2020 17:18
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Dear @phgnomo

Thank you for dropping by and sharing link to your own publication.

the bit stake holders of STEEM is only looking at the price, and not the value.

Isn't price related to it's value? After all price is all about demand and supply. And if we can bring more value into steem blockchain, then demand for it's token should increase.

Have you noticed some small downvotes spread randomly on almost every posts?

I actually didn't notice. Thx for letting me know about it. I will pay more attention.

Yours
Piotr

28.01.2020 22:07
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Yes, price and value are related and interdependent, but they are different things.

Price is the amount of money people are paying for something.

Value is what is being recieve in return for that price.

For example, two similar restaurants serves the same food, with products coming from the same supplier and charge the same price for the same dish.

But in one of them, the owner take a special care in training his employees to treat their clients way better.

Wich restaurant offer better value for the costumer for the same price?

The same concept can be applied to any asset, including steem.

Will people get any good value (material or immaterial) that matches the price they are paying?

If the answer is that the value is bigger than the price, then it is worth buying.

28.01.2020 22:43
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Your voice is worth something
Get paid for good content. Post and upvote articles on Steemit to get your share of the daily rewards pool. (Steemit.com)

Why should people come here? The content to read is very changeful, many authors have no idea of writing and posting. The selection mechanism is bad, not all posts are good which have a lot of upvotes.

Many deadfishes... "Steem has a killing rate of 95 percent" - wrote somebody, I don't know, who. Some professionals and whales, orcas can earn, most of the users, not. Only a few pennies. Steem price is declining in trend. Anarchy is the official state form, no rules, no security, no control. Upvotes and downvotes should make things better, but they don't. For example, raging downvote maniacs are coming up with new and new pretexts to live up to their passion. "Reward curve" is bad for small fishes.

There could be solutions, but I'm afraid most of them won't be voted...

27.01.2020 18:00
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Bots are still an issue and I could point you at plenty of people who use them for 90% of their rewards. I am downvoting some of those. People are quite happy to take an unexpected upvote, but the freedom of Steem means you can downvote whatever you like. This person is making 10x what I do and so cannot complain too much about a downvote even if it seems unfair. We all have to share the reward pool. I get a few downvotes and just consider them part of the game and perhaps a little tax on what I do here. My priority is to use what little influence I have to get rewards where they are deserved.

27.01.2020 19:50
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Can’t you just MUTE these people ? That’s what I do... and then I be some invisible to them. I disappear. Off the Grid.

27.01.2020 20:41
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Unfortunately, muting someone doesn't prevent that person from downvoting you. Let alone - from going through your blog and downvoting every single post and comment they find. And if the blooger's rep is lower than that of the downvoter - that could be devastating.

I wish muting would completely ban person from the blog (or that there would be a "block" or "ban" option in addition to "mute") but that unfortunately is not how it is :(

27.01.2020 22:41
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Yeah .... blocking or banishing people from your blog would be great. This feature needs to be added. I see too much harassment on these blockchains. Mute sometimes does nothing. Not sure how people can still find you after you mute them. This is a big problem over on https://Smoke.io also.... actually it is much worse there

28.01.2020 01:45
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How about just go downvote 10 new Steemian who make a mistake and spam the place.... downvote them at 1% and let them know In a comment that your 1% Downvote is meant as a gentle reminder that Spam is Not welcome on The Steem Blockchain. How about that ?

27.01.2020 20:43
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Hello friend it is difficult to win these people, many laugh when you tell them something, you have a part left and good. I with those 6 levels that really lowered me do not know what to say @cripto.piotr. I'm sorry and well always the abuse of power is latent. Thank you for your unconditional support. May you reach some agreement and make yourself understood in the best way. A big hug.

27.01.2020 21:00
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Regards @crypto.piotr and dear @steemit community

In my perspective, or, better to put it on the table :-)

In my artistic perspective, such a thing as downvote should not even be mentioned inside of an ecosystem that beats the drum from the beginning as being "libertarian", "decentralized" and so on ...

From the beginning, such a nasty habit ( that reminds me the same old and ego-centric approach from some old platforms like youtube, facebook and many others ... who actually injected the minds with such a behaviour)

The entire spectrum from now is nothing else than a result of frustrated people in most of the cases, which are not even listen/reading/watching the contents of the blogs they're upvoting randomly, like they would have scrolled their idiotic social media platforms ... where, they are actually stoping by just in the case, when, some nasty photoshoped lady would appear, or some idiotic joke/quote would have been appearing on their bloody feeds.

The other days, i've had an issue, regarding my #lnbt token https://steem-engine.com/?p=market&t=LNBT on which a fake name created arround "satoshi" ( another illusoric phantasie actually ) has been starting to downvote my blogs through which i was offering to all of those who interracted and upvoted/commented on my blog ... and ... the funny thing was ... that i've discovered ... (because I CAN) :-) that one of the accounts that actually was liking the blog through which i was offering the giveaways of my #lnbt , was in the time the follower and the creator of that bot with that fake name, through which he was just downvoting ...

The motif, was hilarious, because he saw bots voting my blog ... when actually where bots from pages like tunes/neoxian/talent/actnearn which are something like monitoring the trends, behaviours of those accounts that are active inside their platforms.

The most shocked thing was, when i've told the guy the fact that he has received my giveaway through my #lnbt token an in the same time he downvoted my blog :-)))

he said that he sent me back my tokens and he s just a follower of this mentality in using bots, so, he's continuing to do that ...

my next question was, if, he has something with my blogs ... and he answered that he even doesn't know my blogs content :-))))))))

that was the cherrish on top ... confirmation on what i've mentioned above ...

frustrated people with a lot of ego, filled with anger are devoted to serve an ugly machine like the downvoting one ...

Another thing ...

I'm an artist, i'm spending my time in composing/creating music :-) so i don't spend hrs.after hrs.just to drain a so called "steempower" ...

This sounds to me like some idiotic entities, who are going 24/7 hrs at some bloody non sense job ( JOB = just over broke) that they don't like, and, suddenly, when they realize that you're having a peaceful life/craftmenship and you're not draining your 100 % steempower to non-sense actions, then, they will make everything that needs to be done to take your power off :-)))

Just simply, 'cause they're some bloody frustrated ones ...

IF, someone thinks that the New World will have not, such a path that will not imply Order, you're living in your own illusoric world ...

We'll implement in the near Future, with our own consent, this Order, under which, anyone with such a behaviour of hatred/ego/downvoting and so on ... will pay for that ...

It will be either human harmony, and, no one has nothing with anyone or ... the opposite way ...

I think this idiotic downvote button should dissapear right now and there can be other criterias to encourage people to be more inspired when they're writing their blogs ...

Maybe the best way should be that major accounts that were managed as bots inside steemit, should become super representatives inside the platform, like, for instance, this protocol happened inside the tronscan platform ... a smart contract protocol created on tron's blockchain.

Maybe @steem-engine might have some cool platforms which are providing their tokens inside #steemit blockchain to remunerate their bloggers.

I'm happy as well for my #lnbt token https://steem-engine.com/?p=market&t=LNBT for which most of the people, even the ones who received donations/giveaways from me, it seems they don't know what to do with their tokens :-)

Anniway ...

Stop this illusory manifestation with this silly downvote, even, if we know that more than 0 % of this new blockchain spectrum is created by same old people with old and bad habits :-)

The End ...

Ciao a tutti!

27.01.2020 21:58
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It was meant to fight plagiarism, bad content and spam, now it is used to fight the use of bid bots too and more...

As it the idea is not bad but the users are but isn't that much different from the upvotes? Most of what I read is not good content, bad writing, boring, etc. Still the real writers/authors are not rewarded and the worst publications are.

Steem stands for good content?

28.01.2020 06:02
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Apparently, it doesn't matter whether the content adds or subtracts from the platform. You get DV'ed merely for someone not liking the content.

I don't mind the DV's that are set to 0. It's when, after I've spend a good amount of time on post, some DV'er takes something from me, not because of it being plagiarism, bad content and spam, but simply because they don't like what I'm doing. Too many children have their finger on the nuke button here.

29.01.2020 22:57
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03.02.2020 04:27
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Thank you for this AWESOME comment @luciannagy

Quite a long read :) It seem that you promote your token in every single comment :) lol.

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person :)

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:17
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The problem with downvoting is that the author takes it personally anytime and the first response is to feel threatened and you want to downvote in return. This is a natural response and it generates negative emotions.

Why, when I write a post does one downvote hurt me but the 160 upvotes are likely to skip my mind?

It's because of the negative emotions that are linked to it. These negative emotions can have a big impact on an user and it can lead him to quit steem on a bad day.

The probably best downvote strategy on steem

  • Don't use it immediately. If you believe that somebody did something bad, write a comment tell him that he risks a downvote in the future.

I believe that its not wrong to downvote spam or plagiarisme but there is no need to search for a reason to downvote others. In the long term we are hurting ourselves. If a downvote is responsible for a user to leave steem, then this downvote not only leads this guy to power down and sell his steem, it also anhilates all the steem that this guy could have powered up during the next years to come...

27.01.2020 22:01
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Well said.

Btw to many not ever receiving one single comment hurts as much if not more as one downvote. 💕

28.01.2020 06:04
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Hi @achim03

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment. I always value and appreciate it.

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person and I got hammered :)

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:27
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What a dink

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28.01.2020 01:52
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Hi @crypto.piotr. I'm interested in participating in this reflection. For some time now I have criticized the downvote because user accounts that normally do downvote do not produce at all for steemit, i. e. they do not publish.

The downvote must be regulated. A user performing a downvote must provide an explanation. This explanation cannot be "I don't like it"; because that is a subjective thing.

The downvote is a punishment for the publication and when it is marked, a mandatory dialog box must be opened automatically in the post and it goes directly to the platform organizers.

Currently the downvote is an abuse! That must stop. My downvote is 100% because if I don't like something I simply don't give my vote but I have no right to punish an original publication that meets steemit's publishing parameters.

28.01.2020 02:21
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Late thank you for dropping by @marcybetancourt and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:26
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It's me again @marcybetancourt

I've just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:14
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the use of down vote is the right of every Steemian. Steemian can use it or not, everything is left to each individual. nobody can force. However, if there is a Steemian who thinks an account must be downloaded because it does not exercise its rights I think this reason does not make sense. We cannot accept reasons like that. It would be naive if we have never done wrong then forced to do wrong, then we punish others who do not want to do wrong. IS THIS FAIR?
if this continues and is carried out massively, I will make the STeem ecosystem less or less healthy.
thank you @crypto.piotr for sharing this post. We need hold each other to against abuse of down vote. I also resteem this post to get many response.

28.01.2020 02:41
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Hi @rokhani

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your supportive comment

ps.
My own publication has been downvoted really hard. I guess i poke wrong person and I got hammered :)

Have a great upcoming weekend,
Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:25
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Never mind.
Somebody or many somebodies out there don't accept our opinion, but I think they are know that your post admitted as a true fact.but the are poked so the want to revenge by downvote.
We mus make us downvote as a trigger to create our strength more powerful.

07.02.2020 04:28
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28.01.2020 03:04
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Here's what you can do. You can stop crying about downvotes existing on STEEM and make sure if they are unfairly doled out, you are there to help upvote the difference. This is one guy who has crazy standards, like downvoting a post for being too long. This is not the place to be if you are thin skinned. Go play in the walled garden of facebook if you can't handle stake-based governance. It's not for everybody.

28.01.2020 03:48
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Dear @joshman

This is not the place to be if you are thin skinned.
Go play in the walled garden of facebook if you can't handle stake-based governance. It's not for everybody.

You mean ... steem blockchain? That sound like you're admiting that this place is simply hostile and not friendly to new users. Wouldn't you agree that it's not going to help onboarding new people? And that we're killing this platform ourselfs?

What's hilarious to me is, you didn't even upvote her initial post that got downvoted in the first place with your @project.hope. You're just here to virtue signal

That wasn't true - I actually did.
I did use both of my accounts to show support with upvotes - however it doesn't really matter. It's not about me or @livinguktaiwan but about ensuring that abuse of downvoting power will be limited.

It's just sad that you took it this way. I wouldn't mind hearing that you disagree, but the way you did it is just ... kind of sarcastic and disrespectful.

Anyway thanks for dropping by and sharing your thoughts.
Yours, Piotr

28.01.2020 21:30
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We are a tough crowd.
Entertain us, or gtfo.

29.01.2020 06:53
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I have been a victim. It feels horrible. It feels even more bad when the reason is simply not making any sense. Downvote abuse nearly threw me out. I just wish there is a way to censure downvote use to only valid cases, and not just using it at random.

28.01.2020 05:30
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Thanks for sharing with me @focusnow

ps. this post has been downvoted by few serious "whales". It's amazing to see how 'greatest' of this platform are completely against common users - like us :/

Cheers,
Piotr

29.01.2020 07:38
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I knew it will come to this. Its really a pity how some few greedy individuals would want to destroy this place for personal gains. Its really shameful. Wish i had enough SP to counter their downvote. I will do my best and any other thing you deem fit to counter these bad eggs.

29.01.2020 12:46
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You know this goes on for longer but most only care if it concerns them. If it concerns someone else it is not important especially not if it happens to a small fish.
You all ignored me as I wrote about it.

I am fine with a downvote if it is about plagiarism or spam but that is seldom the case.

There will be no respond because a group here lives on the budget of the down vote a and find it better to shut up.

If it comes to your title.
It is not the downvotes only that make people leave but the huge lack of engagement.

If you earn here and you do very well, you should engage here too, comment, comment, comment. This platform is not social. The biggest group is here to earn. They all believe they can post something and make a huge income with that. A post that in most cases is not interesting, badly written or written only for a very small group.

They are disappointed if they hear all those great stories about paying the rent and shopping with what is earned on Steem but it doesn't work that way. You have to do something back. They are not willing to invest here, do not understand this is not Facebook alike and leave. To be honest I am happy with that.

If you want to stop the downvotes the only thing you can do is call these people by name, say thanks for your "great" investment on this platform, stay, keep publishing and engage!
If you leave and give the down over won. I would say: See it as a game, this is social media and should be fun. Focus on the good Steemians and enjoy your day. 💕

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28.01.2020 05:55
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Late thank you for dropping by @wakeupkitty and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 13:18
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@crypto.piotr You are welcome.
It is not always easy to say it in only a few words.

Engaging, commenting takes too much time for most plus they do not care. They come for the money and that will only increase.

Quality content is too much asked too.

If we engage more we hear/know more. If it comes to it dpoll is a great help to me.

Enjoy your day. ❤️Posted with ![](https://cdn.steemitimages.com/DQmbroYujK9LNd2s8zDKPUCADmseyJDuNbhwBPrrF7xM8FL/logo-comment.png)

10.02.2020 06:18
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Resteemed

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28.01.2020 06:04
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Hi again @lichtblick

Thank you for previous resteem.

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:14
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Done.

04.03.2020 10:25
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... I'm also fully aware of how the amount of spam has been reduced

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to apply to your personal favourite flavours; memos and comments.

28.01.2020 10:39
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Dear @johan.norberg

I'm sorry if my memos upseted you. I will made sure not to bother you again with any.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:33
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Hi again @johan.norberg

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:11
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Wow.

Are you just trolling, or are you really so dense and clueless as to ask me for a re-steem for a different post?

12.03.2020 17:26
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Thanks for this bold and outspoken post. I find such reason for downvote insane and brash. Resteemed.

28.01.2020 10:59
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I guess this post poked wrong people and I already received some solid downvote @gandhibaba :)

28.01.2020 21:18
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It's unfortunate that it has happened this way but the most important thing is that you have let the cat out of the bag. Cheers!

28.01.2020 21:26
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Every time I see this kind of injustice, it reminds me of what happens in my country every day. I figured this kind of thing shouldn't happen on a platform with blockchain technology. With so many advances, artificial intelligence, machine learning, DAC, DAO, etc... Shouldn't there be a better solution?

28.01.2020 11:20
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How do I join HIVE Community?

28.01.2020 12:17
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Enter this link and look for the "Join" button.

https://beta.steemit.com/trending/hive-175254

You're welcome.

If you are also interested, we have a telegram channel to share your publications on AI, crypto, finance, technology ...

28.01.2020 19:34
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Hi again @golden.future

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:11
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"You are free to do as you want as long as you do what I want."

This seems to be the mentality of the whales around here. Which leads to the question:

  • How is this... Freedom?
28.01.2020 15:04
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Well stated.

28.01.2020 16:22
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Freedom? Such a good question @trincowski

31.01.2020 10:11
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Hi again @trincowski

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:11
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  1. I do not enjoy your wallet messages. That is pure spam. Going on for a long time. But you can do it because the system allows you to do it.
  2. You write a post to make your thinking visible on DV. Great! System allows you to do it.
  3. System also allows people to DV your post. If they disagree with the rewards. Read the steem white paper please.
  4. So far you have complained about DV on comments. You never wrote a complaining post about it. Now you did.
  5. Bad idea.

This is my first and last communication to you on the subject.

28.01.2020 15:13
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Dear @azircon

Thank you for your polite comment and my late reply.

Please accept my appology if I upseted you with my memos. Sending memos is unfortunatelly the only efficient way of communicating with others on this platform.

Going on for a long time. But you can do it because the system allows you to do it.

Indeed. Since I'm being charged (resource credit) for each memo - I see it as a fully legal way of promoting valuable content. If creators of steem blockchain would not like allowing mass memos, then some limits would be introduced.

Most people are perfectly fine with receiving memos, however I understand that some people do not like to receive them and I fully respect that.

I will do my best not to bother you in the future.

Yours
Piotr

06.02.2020 12:25
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Your edited reply on the second try is more politically correct. However, it doesn’t change my view on you to the slightest. You should go back and read my comments on your complaint post on DV. My views have not changed.

06.02.2020 12:31
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I value appreciate your polite reply @azircon and I understand that we see things differently.

06.02.2020 14:46
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28.01.2020 15:48
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@crypto.piotr, after speaking to @themarkymark, it appears that @freezepeach is the only account even remotely focused on mitigating abusive downvotes.

Please consider delegating a few steem to @freezepeach to show at least token support for their valiant efforts.

28.01.2020 16:21
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Could you please tell me more about this account @logiczombie?

31.01.2020 10:06
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It appears that @freezepeach is the only account even remotely focused on mitigating abusive downvotes.

I have very little to no information besides that.

31.01.2020 13:30
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Late thank you for dropping by @logiczombie and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:16
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Hi @crypto.pioter ,

I think it is good that you write content about this subject. I had problems with Somebody downvoting me 2 years ago wen i still had a very low level and it was very frustrating for me because i put in alot off time and effort in my posting.This person downvoted my post that had small earning and i lost all my Steem and sbd that i worked hard for.. Thank you very much i follew you and i will upvote & resteem you post. 👍👍👍

28.01.2020 16:53
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Late thank you for dropping by @davidamsterdam and your comment.
Somehow I didn't notice your comment until just now.
Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:15
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No problem.. have a good day..

07.02.2020 09:12
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Hi again @davidamsterdam

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 14:57
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Hi my friend,

I resteemed your post!

Kind regards,

03.03.2020 18:07
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I've noticed! :) thank you buddy

04.03.2020 09:10
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Liked

28.01.2020 17:03
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@cripto.piotrhola. La verdad no entiendo el porque de su downvote: cuando entre a mi cartera, me entere de su decisión, me asombro mucho su acción(extrema); No recuerdo tener relación con likwid, ni haber comentado algún post con ese nombre.

No obstante que puedan tener razones de sus conflictos. No es algo que a mi en lo particular me atañe, no he usado "el downvote", sencillamente, porque aun no he visto nada que me motive a esto. Para mi usar esa herramienta y expresar abiertamente, (no solo rechazar un post sino ir en contra de este) molestia y desagrado es de suma responsabilidad y seriedad.

No pido explicaciones ni siento culpabilidad por transitar steemit. Solo soy un participante mas y como todo es posible, quizás , tal vez, puede ser, que sea yo el equivocado y esto lo digo porque es tan reciente mi entrada aquí, que no me ha sido posible aun conocer bien esta comunidad y sus reglas.

Reconozco que todo es posible y por mas extraño que a mi me parezca, quizás lo que hace usted,puede no ser tan descabellado y en cambio yo este errado.

reciba usted cordiales saludos y que tenga un buen dia.

28.01.2020 18:34
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English please @alpind

31.01.2020 10:04
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@crypto.piotr I like to speak your tongue but my english is bad however my spanish is very well, but you cam to understan better, traslate my words - by google traslate-, I think so, that´s good idea..
thanks and have a good day.

31.01.2020 12:43
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Hi again @alpind

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:05
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@crypto.piotr Saludos, agradezco su atención en incluirme para participar en forma activa en lo que usted llama "Restaurarlo" y hacer un comentario serio acerca de este proyecto. aun no estoy seguro de como "exactamente", incluirme y solo se me ocurre leer con detenimiento la publicación a la que hace referencia (el link que usted dejo).

Leeré y luego pensare sobre el respecto y espero comprender bien de que trata este "proyecto hope", como usted sabe, soy de habla hispana y usted de habla inglesa, ya solo por esto, nuestros razonamientos son diferentes. Por ejemplo, cuando usted dice: Suficiente es suficiente, en letras altas, de entrada, uno se alarma y hasta puede resultar intimidan te, esta expresión, claro, uno continua leyendo y se da cuenta que en realidad no hay porque intimidarse sino que se refiere a otro orden de ideas, no obstante habla de retroceder para ir al futuro (descubrir algo importante), se observa a primera vista que hay algo que no esta bien pero todo esto es para dejar de perder a los usuarios de steem, lo cual es loable.

Todo lo dicho es para que usted vea con claridad que nuestros razonamientos son muy diferentes y por supuestos estos (ideas conceptos) sean de su consideración e interprete bien su significado

Espero dar una respuesta concreta tan pronto como me sea posible.
Un abrazo para usted y mis deseos porque tenga un buen día

05.03.2020 05:39
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in truth that the difference in languages is also related to differences in cultures and ways of thinking, I think it was Borges is that he wrote "Your words limit your thinking" and if we extend it to the way we express ourselves is a reflection and a limitation to the way our culture and society has taught us to function in the world, well, I think it makes sense.

06.03.2020 21:54
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@pedrobrito2004 Un placer para mi conocerlo y por supuesto que estemos de acuerdo.
Para Borges que fue todo un personaje y que fue capaz de decir cuanto le vino en su real gana y en su propio idioma pero aun mas, escribirlo, nos dejo un pensamiento que, en alguna forma nos limita, creo que le falto decir al revés, "tus pensamientos no pueden ser limitados por tus palabras, lo que nos daría mas libertad de expresar nuestras ideas o conceptos, entiendo que una afirmación o en su defecto, una negación verbal (y mas de un escritor tan famoso), es como una sentencia (maldición, para la gente de habla hispana), que suelen limitar a quienes se enteran de dicha "espresion", por aquello de que- aquello que nos limita mas, es lo que ya sabemos, justa mente por esa razon- ya lo sabemos y nos adaptamos sin pensar mucho, porque, quien lo dijo es un autoridad o por lo menos creemos eso.

bueno dicho esto, confieso que lo exprese´, por tratarse de un "personaje importante", en esta plataforma y por llamar su atención hacia sus razones para dar, en su opinión un downvote, a quien el supone que lo merece, pero sabes que!, para quien lo recibe pueden no ser tan evidente, sus razones, y menos estar de acuerdo con ellas

Gracias por su comentario y tomarse el tiempo de leer mi respuesta. Un abrazo para usted y mis deseos porque tenga un muy buen día.

07.03.2020 23:10
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No hay de que :)

Después de todo, en concepto esta blockchain nació como un proyecto de Red Social, así que interactuar y compartir opiniones es algo que es´ta en la esencia misma de Steem.

07.03.2020 23:41
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@cripto.piotr(/@cripto.piotr) Hi my friend. Espero que mi respuesta inicial a su invitación sea vista no como una critica a usted sino como un aporte de los diferentes puntos de vista entre una persona de habla inglesa y otra de habla hispana. sin meter los problemas que causan la traducción, que a veces no es la mas exacta.*

Por otro lado. Como atraer personas desde adentro y desde afuera de nuestra comunidad es todo un reto, pero se me ocurre:
1- Podría sorprender gratamente a cualquiera con un reconocimiento, por pequeño que sea, o un comentario positivo, o una invitación individualizada (no hecha en general), o algo que se pueda entender como una "particular atención" de un miembro de steemit con suficiente peso y que se fija por un instante en alguien que comienza a subir. Siempre tendrá un efecto atrayente y positivo.

Si el curador (persona de autoridad dentro de la comunidad), no solo llama la atención cuando algo no esta bien sino que deja ver que siempre observa y felicita a los que participan y ofrecen posibilidades de crecimiento a aquellos que mas lo necesitan porque están desarrollando su talento, ejemplo de lo primero es; las recompensas de steemit bounty y tal ves otras innovaciones de ideas- no solo en los temas tecnológicos sino en aquellos de sensibilidad humana.

Si el que participa (sobre todo aquellos que están comenzando), encuentra que alguien de mayor posición (que ya tiene un tiempo en la comunidad), lo observa y hace sugerencias de como puede crecer mas rápido, aunque no lo necesite, tan solo este gesto, seguro lo sorprenderá gratamente.

Se puede observar con cierta claridad que los comentarios que aportan mayor contenido de calidad, no siempre son los mas votados (upvote) o mejor votados, por ejemplo. Veo que al final de su link, algunas personas dejan sus comentarios pero si comparamos el comentario de @nicolas83(/@nicolas83) quien lo menciona a usted pero no se refiere a ninguna idea que permita desarrollar soluciones, recibe $ 0,07 y 8 votos, mientras que @pedrobrito2004(/@pedrobrito2004), quien menciona que se sentía "solo y desorientado" (palabras claves en las posibles causas de abandono de steemit), así como parte de su historia en steemit, que contribuye en forma consistente e ideas concretas a desarrollar, como un aporte a sus planteamientos, no recibe ni la mitad de reconocimiento a sus comentarios; 0,03 y 4 votos, de ahí en adelante se observa una fatiga en quienes leen y votan todos los demás comentarios, parece que no hay nada mas que los incentive a seguir colaborando con sus votos(upvote) y que se pueda percibir que alguien mas los leyó o se entero de sus opiniones o aportes a la comunidad(en este caso a su post), y de que están conscientes "del porque?", son convocados por usted.

No esta de mas una campaña a expresar tu voto, dejando expresamente el mismo y no pasar por alto que ha sido leído pero no votado, en mi caso, ya me ha pasado unas cuantas veces con quienes les dejo un comentario que luego agradecen "por ser tomados en cuenta", pero que no soy votado, es decir tomado en cuenta y esto se entiende como una desatención por parte de quien ha dejado un post y luego no agradece en forma consistente a quien lo comenta.

Espero no haber abundado con mis explicaciones (aunque es un tema largo y apasionante) y observaciones con el fin de aportar concretamente a los objetivos del reto de la semana por el Proyect Hope.

bueno sin mas por el momento, un abrazo y que tenga un buen día

06.03.2020 07:24
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The recognition of what we do is something nice, after all, as humans, we like to be recognized. But, it is a very personal and subjective thing on the part of our recipients who value what we share in a lot or a little, it may not seem interesting to me what I wrote or that is not close enough to the style they usually appreciate.

Personally, I don't care much, although I don't deny that I like it when people like what I write :)

Well, at least I don't have negative votes in the comment, that would have disappointed me a little.

06.03.2020 22:03
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@pedrobrito2004 No estoy seguro de entender su comentario pero supongo que su comentario se refiere a cuando "le menciono", que!, si lo lee, debe votarlo, pues no es exacto decir que si lo lee entonces merece un voto, no, por favor no es así. me he referido a que si alguien expresa agradecimiento (en un comentario explicito), debe al menos votarlo. Es muy diferente , cuando lo lee y no dice nada, entonces no hay queja ni se espera otra cosa. o como en su caso, que expresa mas sus ideas o comentarios sin ningún agradecimiento, lo que no implica votarlo

Un abrazo para usted y mis saludos cordiales

08.03.2020 00:09
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OK!

Disculpa mi confusión, creo que no había leído bien.

08.03.2020 00:44
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Gracias, un millón de gracias, por la pronta respuesta. No creo merecer tus disculpas pero demuestras sin lugar a dudas, que existe grandeza en ti, cosa (espresion), que para la gran mayoría suele ser difícil de decir y menos de aceptar.

UN gran abrazo y mis deseos, que sean maravillosos tus dias

08.03.2020 01:21
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simple downvote replicantua, its only a copy+paste

28.01.2020 19:30
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Hi again @detlef-s

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:10
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Something needs to change, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

2 things that can be done:
1) Mute should completely ban the muted user from the blog disallowing everything - comments, downvotes, upvotes. If someone out there has a grudge against any of us - we should be able to block that person from harmning us.
2) Power of the downvote should be limited to the maximum voting power of the person being downvoted. That way if someone with 850,000 (or with 12,000) steam power downvotes a user who only has 15 - the downvote would be limited to that amount - enough to send a signal that someone out there didn't like the post (or the blog or the blogger himself as a person,) but that won't have the knockout effect when one sees his reputation halved and the post hidden for low rating.

That should prevent the abuse (or most of the abuse) that we currently witness.

28.01.2020 20:54
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One downvote from a whale can cut your reputation in half? How is that safe for new users?

As a new member with no voting power, I feel like I HAVE TO walk on eggshells around here, constantly in fear of a steemit ending downvote. I haven't been here long, but I've been here long enough to have seen people get brigaded right off the platform.

29.01.2020 11:15
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It's hard to believe, but this is how it works. There is a guy with the 12200 steam power and ~45 reputation, just goes and downvotes everything I post. Each such downvote results in a hidden post and a huge dent in my reputation. Since this creep clearly has a grudge against me, even walking on egg shells won't help. (I know that there's an option to disallow votes altogether, but I can't find it.)

29.01.2020 20:37
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Pay that account no mind, it's just trying to get a reaction out of you. Keep going like it doesn't exist, and you'll be fine. Also, I wouldn't decline payout on posts are comments unless you are posting content that you've gotten from elsewhere.

04.02.2020 22:15
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Thank you for your supportive comment and for resteeming my post @yvhobbit

Yours, Piotr

31.01.2020 10:03
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By the way - is there an abuse team on Steemit? If there is a user that abuses the downvote button (and the enormous power attached to it) or, if there is one that never posts himself, never comments but goes around downvoting others's posts and comments - is there someone out there that could put an end to such abusive downvoting?

28.01.2020 21:32
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@freezepeach does that, somewhat.
If you want a say in the downvotes join @steemflagrewards.
It's open to nearly everybody.

29.01.2020 07:01
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It's me again @yvhobbit

I've just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

04.03.2020 09:09
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Nicely written Piotr,
This misuse of downvotes is a major problem here, and I have seen it affect people to the point of leaving, simply because they were downvoted for no apparent reason.

I also think that downvoting is only part of the problem. Circle jerking is still a problem. When you see users who've been here for years, still barely making anything for their efforts, while seeing potato heads and burn posts on trending, it starts to make one wonder, "is it really about the content, or just the return that large accounts can potentially make?"

I'm pretty grateful for my average post rewards, but it's still frustrating to know that there is plenty of low effort content making double, triple, quadruple the rewards that I make. I feel for the one's who struggle to make even a dollar on their posts.

The large stake holders have a responsibility to protect their investment by properly employing the utility of Steem, if they do not, I fear for the future of Steem.

Thank you for bringing up this topic Piotr,

Cheers,
Jake

28.01.2020 22:05
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All stakeholders have this responsibility.
Join @steemflagrewards and we will show you plenty of abuse to downvote.

29.01.2020 07:02
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I agree, we all do. I did join a while back, and was criticized in the discord for bringing bid bot abuse to the attention of the team.
Reason:
The bids were small..

Abuse is abuse right? But cherry picking happens all over the place, even in SFR discord in my experience.

Flagging doesn't stop big accounts from circle jerking either. (Releases more rewards for them to take though) I can list off at least 10 giant accounts that I've never seen a vote from. (and doing so would likely get my ass flagged) At this point in the game, I don't think it's much a question of quality content. 5 minutes on my blog is enough to see I create quality content (in the opinion of others) but I could probably list off another 10 accounts that make immensely more , no matter what they post, because of the solid automated jerksation.

Tell me I'm wrong dude, that people are not leaving in hoards because of this shit.. and to be honest, I'm pretty close myself.. Sometimes I'm not even sure what keeps me going here anymore.

29.01.2020 07:50
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I agree, we all do. I did join a while back, and was criticized in the discord for bringing bid bot abuse to the attention of the team.
Reason:
The bids were small..

And now we are just flagging all of them because some still won't stop.

29.01.2020 16:50
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Yes, steem suffers from abusive stake, do you fold and go to bed, or do you fight?

It is your choice, you gotta do what you do.

If everybody folds, steem fails.

29.01.2020 19:21
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Exactly. I've been here for over two years now, I try my best to not only bring quality content, but also work behind the scenes to help communities.

I'm a curator for eSteem, have curated for OCD in the past, help charitable organizations here, and yet, it's still hard for me to make even 10 dollars a post..

Not to sound like a self entitled cry baby.. but damn, wtf more do I have to do?

And worse, some people have been here just as long and still struggle to make even a dollar a post.

Meanwhile, have a look at trending. It's work not to vomit all over my keyboard on a daily basis.

I'll consider joining SFR again. My downvote VP just sits at 100% most of the time anyway.

29.01.2020 19:28
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I think any post over 2stu doesn't get a vote from me, and any over 10stu need to be examined for shenanigans.
More folks getting pennies brings in more users than some folks making bank and most others getting nothing,imo.

Steem is a currency, we want folks holding their bill money in it, instead we get reaped by the btc now! crowd.
Smdh.

Sfr has a trail, easy to follow.

29.01.2020 20:49
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How does SFR work?

06.02.2020 12:13
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Join the discord.
https://discord.gg/7pqKmg5
They got their guidelines.

You can call the bot by flagging and listing the abuse in a comment.

Like this:

@steemflagrewards spam bid bot abuse

07.02.2020 03:00
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How does SFR work?

06.02.2020 12:12
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Thanks for dropping by @freebornangel and your comment.

06.02.2020 12:12
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Thank you for this amazing comment @futuremind

And I'm sorry it took me a while to reply.

while seeing potato heads and burn posts on trending, it starts to make one wonder, "is it really about the content, or just the return that large accounts can potentially make?"

Are you against sbdpotato project? Just curious.

ps. my publication seem to attracted wrong kind of attention. So many large downvotes. Crazy shit, heh?

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:11
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Upvoted and resteemed. This is terrible behavior and precisely why the HoboDAO intends on being completely focused on SMT/SCOT rewards for its contests and is abandoning STEEM rewards.

29.01.2020 01:18
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Thank you for your supportive comment @hobo.media

31.01.2020 10:00
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Certainly the use of the downvote without an explanation or that by requesting an explanation directly from the user who gave you a negative vote ... well, or does not give any explanation or provide a rather arbitrary or even absurd explanation ... All that harms the integration of the community and rather it gives the idea that it is moving to a "toxic community" of those that on other occasions some of my younger relatives tell me about their video games.

29.01.2020 02:21
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ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
this post made my cup run over after reading certain comments here and that it gets downvote on a user who has not used his opportunity to downvote others. I didn't think that would happen.
It is like throwing stones at a glass house, we are about to let the whole house here collapse. If it falls down it will never be able to rebuild. Everyone can use downvote and upvote, but this time it will be completely wrong.

I have previously highlighted flagging and there was a heated debate on good and bad. The mentality of some of the big flags must think before they flags because they probably want the same thing as everyone here.
And then you must use your power properly, it is not fair as it is now. Many good users on steem should not be chased away, they are the ones who can attract new to the community.

I have brought some major investors to Steem and I have a new big investor coming in. But if the continued use of the downvote continues, I cannot justify bringing investors here. They are aware of the potential for downvote in society that we need, but not with the wrong use of it. If we are to succeed, downvote must be used wisely and correctly otherwise this house is collapsing and we can look far for investors who will use their SP for the community to grow.

Opinions are shared about what and how things should work here and it is easy to be great when most of us are behind a PC.
What if we sat face to face in a major forum to come together
Would that then be a different discussion and a more polite tone.
Yes, I think so and solutions would come to the table.
I speak from experience and know that it is useful.
But as it is now, it seems that only a handful of you with greater power have contact and agree on how everything here should work with downvote. You have to understand that there is dictatorship, how to help instead of displacing people.

I've seen a lot in here since I signed up July 2016
But now I see that we need to be even more positive to help more people do things right here and think correctly when given the downvote.

Our great platform must have new users in, not scare them away

29.01.2020 04:22
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Thank you for this amazing comment @xpilar

I have brought some major investors to Steem and I have a new big investor coming in.

Could you tell me more about it on Discord?

ps. my publication seem to attracted wrong kind of attention. So many large downvotes. Crazy shit, heh?

Cheers, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:08
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I got downvoted because someone said I supported "mmmmkkkk311"'s beef against sbi x) I have sbi shares, why would I ever support one who downvotes sbi members, but it took a few weeks + a shit ton of retaliation before the user and I made trace :)

29.01.2020 07:01
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Thanks for dropping by @cwow2. It sucks to be downvoted for some silly reasons, right?

My post has been targeted by few large whales. It seem that "talking" about downvote abuse is a very touchy subject.
Yours, Piotr

31.01.2020 10:00
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Yes! It sucks to be downvote for something stupid :D

For example I dont like anyhing regarding religion and I wanna avoid it, but that doesn't mean it deserves a downvote. It can be a really good and well written post about Religion or God and thats good. Its not my interest, but I will never downvote it :D

31.01.2020 13:48
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Hi @cwow2

Can I take few min of your time? :)

ps.
Together with few friends from @project.hope - we're working on our own curation trail.

Basically all publications which we resteem on project.hope (3-4 posts daily) are being upvoted with @ph-fund, which triggers our curation trail. And few hours later 300k upvote from project.hope is being placed on that post. Which pretty much double all curation rewards of those who follow this trail. I see it as a win-win scanrio.

Is it okey if I share with you link to post where we're brainstorming this idea? I would like to hear your feedback and perhaps you will find it interesting and worth joining.

Yours, Piotr

04.02.2020 20:42
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Dear @ocdb, @curangel

Would you mind sharing with me why this post has been downvoted by your accounts? I would really like to know. Don't you agree with my mature and polite way of describing the problem, which many users are currently facing?

We've common friends and at least 2 @curangel curators are close to me and I've learned to respect your own projects already long time ago. Is destroying our little community on steem (which I'm trying to promote) your current goal ? Did us talking about downvote abuse somehow upset you? I really would like to know.

Yours, Piotr

29.01.2020 07:31
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This was the major reason why i left steemit in the first place. It is the big boys world. The world where small fishes are fishes while whales make themselves bigger and then perk on small fishes because they have the power to.

P.s: I sent a message to you on telegram, i hope you read it. Thanks

30.01.2020 06:56
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Got it @ajewa

30.01.2020 09:31
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Thanks. I wish to start fresh on steemit and i hope I can

30.01.2020 09:50
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finally you managed to set up your profile picture @ajewa :)

31.01.2020 09:53
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I wish you would stop spamming people's wallets.

30.01.2020 12:13
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Dear @contrabourdon

Thank you for your polite comment. I will make sure not to bother you with my memos ever again in the future.

Yours
Piotr

31.01.2020 09:53
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Thank you.

31.01.2020 10:09
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Highly rEsteemed!

Always appreciate your efforts to demonstrate the positive aspects of this platform @crypto.piotr. High Regards and SteemON Bruv!
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30.01.2020 22:08
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WOW, you're attracting some SERIOUS downvotes!!


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31.01.2020 22:16
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Indeed I got hit really hard @logiczombie

ps. i've noticed that your voting power is down to 30%. I'm not sure if you've noticed that too :)

Cheers
Piotr

04.02.2020 20:39
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Thanks for the note, I'm just dolling out as much encouragement as I can.

I plan to delegate all my steem-power to freezepeach next week (leaving me with no upvotes).

04.02.2020 20:47
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Hi @logiczombie

Oh wow. Don't you want to be in charge of any SP on your own account?

Could you tell me a bit about freezepeach ? What do they try to achieve, what are their goals and also what will you get in return for your delegation?

Yours, Piotr

06.02.2020 12:01
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My ultimate goal is to make myself redundant.

I interject myself into the meta-conversation when I feel there are no reasonable voices.

I am trying to identify reasonable voices and encourage them as much as I can.

The downvoting for differences of opinion is really out of hand, and freezepeach is the only account I know of that really tries to help people.

I've been in the casualty-care discord hosted by steemflagrewards and they seem to think that it's basically the wild west and if people are posting "low effort" (in their opinion) or "comment farming" (I don't even know what that is) or "self voting" (how is this a crime?) or perhaps they posted some quote or something and forgot an attribution link (should we cite sources for every meme?) or if you got upvoted by a bid-bot (I'm also not sure why this is a crime) or if you bad-mouth some powerful steemit-user (they are quick to use the word "libel" but aren't clear on the definition they prefer, or present actual evidence, or allow any semblance of a "fair-hearing" or a path-to-remediation, so once again, just their opinion I guess) then they say, f-that-guy they deserve downvotes.

I make what could easily be considered "low effort" posts. Why don't they downvote me? Enforcement seems to be arbitrarily capricious.

Should they downvote markymark for using Mark Wahlberg's pop-star name (impersonation)?

Should they downvote marymark for using a profile pic of Nathan Fillion and Firefly wallpaper without explicit permission from the copyright holders?

Who am I to say? I'm just some rando seeking logical coherence.

Should I cite my sources for proper attribution to honor the person who coined the term "rando"? I have no idea who that even is.

Is it spam for me to reply to a post with "Thank you for your contribution"? More than 10 times in-total?

Interesting side-note, they do consider burnposts to be "spam", but they don't downvote them because so many people band-wagon on for the huge curation rewards, their significant downvotes barely make a dent and so they just save them (downvotes) for smaller fish.

I don't expect to "get anything" from delegating to freezepeach except the satisfaction that they will heed the cries of the down-trodden.

If I could write a bot to scan for downvoted posts that I could actually do something about, and counter-vote them (after some cursory evaluation), I would do that, but I don't have the resources and I don't know who to ask for help (I already tried trufflepig).

Freezepeach seems pretty fair-minded and I'll keep an eye on what they're upvoting and if I find that my steem-power can be better deployed somewhere else, I'll undelegate (they don't seem to be particularly active, but perhaps they're just saving up the voting power for when it's needed most).

Also, I might have overstated my "delegate 100%", since freezepeach doesn't seem to be particularly active, I'll stick with my 777.777 delegation for the moment and keep the balance for my fractional upvotes for now.

06.02.2020 13:45
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This is interesting (most downvoted), https://steemitboard.com/ranking/?p=54404&s=reputation

04.02.2020 21:04
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Ye I am with you on this.
And thank you so much for speaking up about this issue of abusing the privilege of free flags.
Do you think it would be worthwhile to articulate very succinctly what is considered abusing the privilege of free flags.
It may be that free flags are being abused so much that we need to remove them from the available menu completely.

01.02.2020 22:19
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Thanks for dropping by and for your comment @hone.heke
And for resteem as well

ps. I noticed that your latest post is veryyyy old. Did you give up on Steemit completely?

04.02.2020 20:37
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No I have not completely given up on Steemit.
Still trying to find my feet/or direction/or something lol.

Its a very strange animal we have here. Many things to consider and many people actively hunting for things to take offence too, so they can feed their own personal warrior delusions.

04.02.2020 21:05
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Hi again @hone.heke

Can I ask you for little favour? I joined contest called "Community of the week" with project I manage and I would be grateful if you could RESTEEM it and help me get some exposure and drop some encouraging comment :)

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 15:04
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Until there is skin in the game, those that go beyond down voting plagiarism and posts that fail to meet terms of service will continue to abuse their privilege. There should be a penalty to down vote something that doesn't warrant a down vote.

There's a large responsibility to having an account large enough to make significant damage to likely as many as half of the users at one time. Many of the mechanisms that led to down vote abuse have been curbed to a healthy level. Putting an onis on services that claim to be and are intended to prevent abuse that become abusive themselves would have an effect on abusive down voting.

02.02.2020 18:51
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Thanks for dropping by and for your comment @thedrollyears

ps. I noticed that your latest post is veryyyy old. Did you give up on Steemit completely?

04.02.2020 20:31
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Not at all. I'm impressed with the positive evolution Steemit has shown. I think once SMT are in effect it may even be time for a second to around of me inviting all of the people that never joined Steemit when I first discovered it and saw its enormous potential. I don't have the time to put a lot of effort towards posting. The posts that I made were fun art collaborations and the full intention of doing them was to earn steem to share with @gardenofeden. When they stopped earning steem it seemed too much time was being put into the creations.

05.02.2020 15:34
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I'm glad to see that you're so responsive @thedrollyears :)

06.02.2020 11:57
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It's me again @thedrollyears

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 15:02
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Building awareness - that's the answer

Awareness could come only when the guys with a lot of upvote power (which means big stake) become aware that destroying the platform will destroy their investment.

On February 1st 2018 we had 705,537 accounts

On February 1st 2019 we had 1,210.615 accounts

On February 1st 2020 we have 1,359,486 accounts

I’m afraid the number of true users is far smaller than accounts number, and it has fallen since “the Big Fall” in 2018. No platform can grow without widening its user base.

I’m currently working on a dictionary that doesn’t leave me much free time, but as soon as I finish it, I’ll try to post a text about the construction of a decentralized platform on a foundation that should prevent abuse as much as it would be possible, using the experiences from the decentralized platforms made so far.

Cheers, @crypto.piotr

03.02.2020 08:06
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Hi @lighteye

I only realized now that I never actually thanked you for your comment. BIG THX :)

Awareness could come only when the guys with a lot of upvote power (which means big stake) become aware that destroying the platform will destroy their investment.

You nailed it!

as soon as I finish it, I’ll try to post a text about the construction of a decentralized platform on a foundation that should prevent abuse as much as it would be possible, using the experiences from the decentralized platforms made so far.

Share link with me. I will gladly upvote it with @project.hope (300k) and share with our own HIVE.

Yours,
Piotr

04.02.2020 20:29
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You’ll be first to know when I put the text up, but don’t hold your breath for some time while I’m working on the dictionary :)

04.02.2020 20:56
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I'm very curious - what kind of dictionary are you working on @lighteye?

I thought that in current days all dictionaries have been already 'invented'.

Cheers,
Piotr

04.02.2020 21:05
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It’s a Vocabulary of the Geographical Terminology, @crypto.piotr. Pretty painstaking job.

06.02.2020 15:38
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It's me again @lighteye
(I just dropped another comment, don't miss it :P)

I would like to ask if there is any way we could DM you? I wanted to talk to you a bit about some idea I'm pursuing with few guys from @project.hope.
I think that you may find it interesting. Do you use telegram or discord by any chance? My discord: crypto.piotr#3426

Cheers
Piotr

04.02.2020 20:30
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It is becoming funny that people who came to Steemit strived for Liberty, Freedom of Speech and Freedom of voluntarism in all they do here but be accountable for every action made; however from what that just happened, it seems that someone is too uncomfortable seeing people who learn to practice to hold their tongue (from downvotes) until much necessary.

I probably would not have easily downvote someone unless the content is really REALLY bad and the rewards were really uncalled for, or something I am highly not comfortable reading.

Most of the time, I just ignore that content creator unless he / she decides to swing to the extreme.

I got so many random downvotes from painstakingly well-thought, image edited for best viewing posts that I already am numb by these push-overs.

There will always bee push-overs, and what they do, they will have to answer to all their actions at the end of their journey called life.

03.02.2020 11:51
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Late "thank you" for your awesome comment @littlenewthings

ps. bloody hell, my own publication seem to bring some unwanted attention and has been flagged really heavily. did you notice?

Yours, Piotr

04.02.2020 20:22
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I didn't feel comfortable interacting too much and ultimately muted that individual because I've been subject to downvote networks my entire time here on Steemit. I've left many times and came back to the same account and hoped for better only to get downvoted until every post I did would be unable to receive funds.

During bots in 2016-2017, people thought I was a bot so I was placed on group lists to kill revenue.

During 2018,i was still on some group lists and would get downvote partied. I delegated power to Upvote bots to get around the not getting paid even with tons of votes. Keep in mind, I wasn't using Upvote bots to get Upvotes but getting pay directly to my wallet from delegating power for bots to Upvote with.

During 2019 I used a service to help me fight against the down votes but alas that service died. So the lack of being able to be noticed started and I still get random downvotes to kill some revenue. Just check my Timeline, I've been on this blockchain since 2016.

Thank you for spreading awareness and keep doing what you do. 👍

06.02.2020 17:44
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It's me again @digi3d

I just realized that I never actually thanked you for your comment. Big thx.

ps.
I would need to ask you for little favour. Recently I've decided to join small contest called "Community of the week" and I desribed our project.hope hive/community. Would you mind helping me out and RESTEEM this post - just to get some extra exposure? Your valuable comment would be also appreciated.

Link to my post: on steemit or on steempeak

Thanks :)
Yours, Piotr

03.03.2020 15:00
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Thank you, Sure no problem.

05.03.2020 06:09
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A downvote does exactly what it is intended for- to down ones spirit and make you run from the site @crypto.piotr

01.03.2020 16:38
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