# Geometry Of Crepuscular Rays

Had a nice time staring out at the case inlet in western Washington yesterday. Probably should’ve taken a time lapse as the geometry was beautiful.

Do these look like Sunrays from a light source 109 times the size of earth & 93,000,000 miles away? Or something much smaller & closer 🤔

Do the lines of these squares look like they are pointing towards the center of the wall?
Yes they look like that, but they aren't! In fact they are parallel.

That same phenomenon is what's also causing the sun-rays to converge towards a point sligthly above the clouds although the sun is 1AU away.

28.07.2019 20:55
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I am very familiar with the public school explanation. However, I do not believe Vanishing points high in the sky account for what can be seen clearly with the naked eye 😉

29.07.2019 01:03
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As I stated your data doesn't disprove the globe.
I can propose you a simple experiment that would let you clearly distinguish between false believe and true reality.

29.07.2019 08:10
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Happily for me, your data does not prove 1au or a globe.

Anyone who believes science should not be questioned is relying on faith & failing at science.

& by all means propose away 🤲

29.07.2019 15:52
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Anyone who believes science should not be questioned is relying on faith & failing at science.

That's true, but if scientists would doubt every single aspect of science(including evidence in form of photos), there would be no more advancement.

If the earth was flat, the distance between you and the sun would change.
At about 3pm it would be rougly 1.4 times farther away than at 12 am, as illustrated by this image:

As you know the energy delivered to a certain area is proportional to the distance squared.
Therefor the energy delivered by the sun would be 2 times higher at 12 am, than at 3 pm. Energy delivered on an area that is orthogonal to the direction of the light.
On a sunny day you can really easy test if that's the case using a cheap solar panel() holding it like this at both times of the day:

The only thing you would need to then is measuring the energy the solar panel outputs at the given times. This can be done using an amperemeter(you probably have one around somewhere in your house. If not I could help you find another way to measure the energy).
Try it out.

29.07.2019 16:44
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I think you mean 12pm and 3pm. So if your assumptions are correct, the same should hold true for 9am to 3pm or even a bigger time gap with proper angle. Also we would need to establish the true sensitivity of the cheap solar panel or other measurement device being used, which is quite difficult in relation to the sun.

In either model, the distance to the sun changes as the earth rotates or as the sun moves away, but as we know if the sun is truly 1au it would be much harder to measure any difference via energy delivered.

I prefer to look at the size of the sun grow bigger from morning to midday & smaller from midday to dusk. It is a simple thing to do with a Timelapse similar to this one

If the sun is actually 1au away the size should not change so obviously & consistently imo. However, no one observation or experiment is sufficient to provide proof to someone who is already convinced of the outcome either way. I genuinely strive to be open minded on the topic, but am admittedly highly skeptical of the mainstream narrative.

29.07.2019 17:41
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Not the time gap is important. 9am and 3pm should be at equal distance, just in opposite direction.
The sensitivity doesn't matter, as this would be about measuring relative values. If both values are dropped by a factor of 10(probably the sensitivity of the cheap panel), the result would be the same.

but as we know if the sun is truly 1au it would be much harder to measure any difference via energy delivered.

That's the point of the experiment. If you measure a factor of roughly ½ between the two you can say it's flat. If you don't measure a huge difference between the two you can say with certainty that the sun is far away.

That video doesn't really fit to what we observe everyday. When I looked at the sun rising or setting I never saw any of this. If that was really the sun getting farther away and not some effect of refraction, shouldn't it be observable every day and not just on some random video?
Also even if this was a sign of the sun moving farther away why is it such a huge effect at sunset, but throughout the rest of the day not observable?

However, no one observation or experiment is sufficient to provide proof to someone who is already convinced of the outcome either way.

I have learned, that not even an infinite amount of evidence and reason would be able to convince that person.

I genuinely strive to be open minded on the topic

I hope you really are, but I learned that those who ignore all arguments and reason tend to say that as often as someone who really is open minded.

29.07.2019 20:13
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It is the sum of all experiences that affects a persons opinion on things & we are all limited by our own perspectives.

My original post & subsequent words have been intentionally non definitive because claims of proving something with one photo or experiment is not logical to me.

What is logical to me is being critical of the things I was taught the earliest that don’t make much sense. When I see things like crepuscular rays & the sun moving across the sky in person with depth of field, I can’t help but question the official narrative.

My knowledge of solar panels & their technicals is admittedly limited, though it is an interesting point and potential experiment. One which would provide me with useful practical knowledge & perhaps something to consider on the macro as well.

Something I love about the macro topic in general, is that it requires a lot of detailed study on many topics I wouldn’t have thought twice about when I believed the mainstream narrative. So I appreciate the response and civility which is most important for freedom of thought, investigation & speech.

30.07.2019 18:27
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Now, that's a view!

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02.08.2019 20:23
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That’s the same thing I think when I see your workout pictures 😘

02.08.2019 21:45
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That's the gateway to heaven, if there is one 😁

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02.08.2019 20:23
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Love that perspective 💚

02.08.2019 21:46
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