Why I won’t be compromising with Justin Sun


At this point, it seems like most of the community is in agreement on one thing: they don’t want Justin Sun here. The primary disagreement seems to be how to achieve that. From what I’ve been told, even Justin himself has said he doesn’t want to be here. He just wants to get paid to leave.

So the purpose of this post is to list the reasons why I don’t think it’s a good idea to pay him to leave and why I won’t be participating in any such deal via coding support, money (among other ideas, I’ve been told via intermediaries that Justin would happily sell Steemit to me now), or even as a simple endorsement of a deal.

What’s the value of Steemit Inc now?

In my opinion, Steemit Inc has nearly zero value now

Wait, what about the Steemit stake it holds?

While it controls a stake with a quoted value of many millions, it will never be possible to realize that value now. My best guess is that it is worth around $200K USD, and that's only if the owner considers it ethical to dump the stake that was promised for development. My estimate of its dump value being so low is because it can only be dumped slowly, which will give the market time to see what's coming.

This is also one of the big reasons why Justin is lobbying to get the powerdown rate changed to something like a day. The faster he can dump it, the more value he can get from gullible buyers who think they are getting coins cheaply, never understanding that the coins they are buying will never regain their value, because all the value is going to leave (more on this point shortly). Time is not on his side in such a dump, because the more information people have, the more they will realize that what he’s selling won’t be worth buying.

As a side note, all the above is one reason Steemit got sold to Justin to begin with, in my opinion. Ned has dealt with Steem long enough to know that he was unlikely to extract the value just by dumping it and he didn’t have a plan for how to profit by using it for development (he tried that and failed already). So instead he sold the company for less than half the value of the Steemit stake and was happy with the deal.

Wait, what about the IP and developers?

When Justin acquired it, Steemit absolutely had some strong value, in the form of intellectual property, branding, and experienced blockchain and frontend developers. But now, all the developers he acquired are gone (they’ve all quit).

Branding, good will?

Despite all the mistakes it has made, Steemit Inc also had some good branding and good will from its role in starting the Steem blockchain. But almost immediately, Justin began destroying that via his public statements and actions. I don’t want to rehash that, because almost everyone else has already deeply analyzed those actions (most reasonably with a few bizarre exceptions).

At this point, Steemit Inc itself has no community to support the value of a coin it controls: the only community here is the Steem community, not the Steemit community, and it mostly wants nothing to do with Justin (some are even willing to pay him to leave).

What option does the Steem community have if it won’t compromise?

Before long, we will launch a new coin that is essentially a re-branded hardfork of Steem, airdropped on all Steemians, without airdropping to the Steemit stake. This new chain will maintain all our collected posts and our transaction info and will support all the same Dapps we’ve come to know and love.

I believe all the economic value will move to this new chain and the chain with Justin's stake will ultimately just die. He can keep his chain running for a while, trying to find uninformed people to sell it to, but it’s not going to last long with no devs, no real plan from Justin on how to keep it alive, and most of all, no community to support it.

In other words, I believe the value in your existing Steem coin account will migrate to a value in this new coin. And I believe the value (i.e. the price) of the existing chain will just drop as Justin dumps on that chain.

I see this as a big win for the community and particularly existing Steem holders, as we free ourselves from an entity that has just been dumping on us economically for a long time, without properly returning that value with enough technical development or publicity.

Another cool thing, from a marketing perspective, is we will be a literal demonstration of how a community is what gives a coin value. We should make every effort to capitalize on this in cryptocurrency media, just as we’ve done so far in our DPOS vote fight with Justin.

Does the community have the skills to operate a blockchain?

We have more developers committing to work on this new chain than we’ve ever had before. We already have a team of 36 experienced developers, including key devs that were involved in the initial development and maintenance of Steem. And new developers are joining us daily. By contrast, from what I know, Steemit had 4 devs, and currently has none at all.

And we don’t just have devs, we have marketing people, business people, artists, and idealists. Our combined efforts can do far more than a narrow-minded, profit-driven Steemit ever dreamed possible. As many here know, the community constantly reached out to try to help Steemit, and was continually rebuffed. We plan to be be the opposite of that, with an all-inclusive, decentralized approach to development, marketing, and on-boarding.

Does the community have the resources to launch a blockchain?

Yes, we do. It’s actually much easier for us to launch a chain, because of the many lessons we’ve had operating the Steem blockchain. And as far as financial resources go, several prominent Steem stakeholders have privately offered both computing resources and significant financial support, including my own company, BlockTrades. Even at this early stage, I’m utterly convinced we have sufficient support to launch and develop this new blockchain.

We’re also already hard at work lowering the costs of operating the servers that power the Steem ecosystem (web sites and Dapps). We’ve identified key areas where we can dramatically reduce operating costs over the costs paid by Steemit and we’ll be ready by launch to deploy these higher efficiency API nodes and services.

But isn’t compromise always better?

One of the first things we’re taught as children and often taught again in life, is the importance of compromise. Generally speaking, compromise is often a good idea. But compromise is not always the right choice: 1) it usually fails when you can't trust the other party to keep a compromise agreement and 2) it doesn't make sense to compromise if the resulting value trade is uneven. Both of these apply in this case, I believe.

Making any kind of deal with Justin at this point would just be a case of handing over dollars that we can use for development to a guy who can still go after Ned for financial restitution as well. Any payment to Justin represents both an economic loss to us and a potential financial win for him (since if we pay him off to leave, he can even potentially profit off a legal recovery from Ned too). From both an economic and moral perspective, it makes no sense to compromise with Justin.

What about exchange listings?

Some of our community depends on the ability to translate their Steem into fiat money. They will not be forgotten in this move. To protect them, we will need to get exchange listings. We’ve been in promising talks with some exchanges already, without disclosing too many details to them, and I’m sure we will be able to obtain plenty of listings as we show that our chain is the true community chain. But no matter, I’ll do whatever it takes to make sure we have one exchange listing within days after launch.

We win by fighting, not by compromising

The ongoing fight with Justin has been and will continue to be a huge publicity win for us. We are getting more publicity now than we have had in a long time.

Steem has long been ignored by most of the crypto-space as a failed project of Dan Larimer. We are now being giving the opportunity to show that the community we have is so much more than that, and that we can emerge under the umbrella of a new coin, as a dominant player in decentralized blockchain development. Our strength is the personal contacts we have with each other. We are not just strange looking addresses on a blockchain, we share more than just number transactions, we share ideas, beliefs, and fellowship with each other.

More to come

Now, one thing I haven’t done here is lay out all the details of what we will do with our new, revitalized chain. There’s a lot of ideas for that, and some obvious first steps. But the long term plan is one we will need to build together. The important thing now is to align on what we value and how we want to approach the future. Not everyone on Steem may stick with us, and we have to accept that. But we should reach out where we can, if only to save them from losing money investing in a Justin-run chain (that is mostly why I’m writing this post now, even though I haven’t had a chance to express all of my own ideas or the ideas of others for future work).


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16.03.2020 17:39
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Really? You're here as well?

16.03.2020 20:21
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Wow, this is making me super excited! Bring it on Steemians! :)))

16.03.2020 17:41
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Sign me up already! It's about time we did this. We have a few years lessons to guide us as a community as we move forward. It may or may not work, but we may never know how great we are as a community if we don't try. Anything is better than being held hostage by a psycho dictator here.

16.03.2020 17:43
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I commit to this 100%. I will be providing all of my available development resources and blockchain knowledge to the new chain.

The Steem technology will not die, but the Steem blockchain, as you said, has little to no value remaining. I look forward to helping create a new beginning for this community that has already been through so much.

The new community in the new chain will have a real sense of ownership without a looming threat hanging above their head in the form of illegitimate, ninja-mined stake.

There are some exciting times just around the corner. I implore the community to hold tight and keep your eyes and ears open.


To be clear, I think Justin Sun, and likely Ned Scott, should be criminally charged for their actions. Due to this, I fully agree that Sun should not be awarded at all for the damage he has caused. @justinsunsteemit doesn't even engage with the community unless he thinks they will benefit him and vote for his sock puppet witnesses.

Eli Powell is constantly lying or spreading a false narrative about what is to come. I hope everyone takes this opportunity to continue their efforts on the new chain WITHOUT the stain of SteemIt, Inc.

16.03.2020 17:45
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Eli has no dignity what so ever, therefore i consider her to cancer along with Justin and that piece of shit @ned.

Thanks for everything you've done in regards to soft fork, you will always have my vote. Fuck tron, fuck centralization, fuck justin... nono, fuck all of them

16.03.2020 20:44
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How did Justin get control of Steem? Believe me, I am not a fan of Justin or any "leader" of crypto. It goes against the very reason I got into BTC after the 2009 fiasco that opened my eyes to a corrupt and tired fiscal environment. outdated tools and unethical practices were so prevalent, you might as well hand over the fed TO lying manipulating quacks( oh wait, the nation did it). So with that out of the way, Justin keeps crytpo in the mainstream and he has done far better than most of us at a very young age. Hopefully, he will grow up and become the Gates of my son's generation. You should all stop nagging about his take over of Steem. If you can do better, do it and keep the insults to yourselves. YaZEN -"see the tears but don't react, be prepared for a massive onslaught and attack"

20.03.2020 01:42
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Yep, that's why we left the chain :)

Insulting him is the least i can do after he called our witnesses hackers and usurped the chain.
We used to call this place "home", now its nothing more than a blockchain.

Feel free to support everything crypto should stay against. :)

Cheers

20.03.2020 06:59
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gosh i have like so many questions. are we waiting for andrarchy to get the new dpos chain done from scratch or are we still attempting to hardfork justin out of our lives and then make our chain the most popular chain, while koreans and tron can do with their chain watever? is blocktrades talking about using existing steem sourcecode and just starting a steem blockchain totally from scratch running the same code? what time frame are we talking about?

16.03.2020 22:12
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Blocktrades post is talking about using existing Steemd code, with some modifications, on a new chain with an entirely new token.

It will not be stained by SteemIt, Inc or the SteemIt, Inc stake.

Then we can use the blockchain hardfork technology to implement bigger changes in the future.

The Steem blockchain that Tron has destroyed will still remain in tact for Tron to continue to destroy I suppose. Up to them.

16.03.2020 22:27
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but using the existing blockchain transfering all data and savings, and not starting from an empty blockchain? so that we have steem on that chain right from the start and dont have to worry about loosing all steem in the process of a tokenswap, but can slowly transfer over trons copies of the tokens?

17.03.2020 11:11
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This is so big, unheard of! Cheers to all of you! !BEER

17.03.2020 00:41
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17.03.2020 00:41
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Eli Powell is constantly lying or spreading a false narrative about what is to come.

Really? That would involve communicating with people - and I've never seen much evidence of that!
lol

17.03.2020 00:51
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Ya I'd have a lot more respect if she would quit alongside the devs and Andrarchy. But Steemit is her religion and Justin Sun is her priest :-/

17.03.2020 03:44
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HI & rEsteemed!

IM ALL IN

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19.03.2020 01:49
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I'm all aboard :)

Just please, please don't name it steem classic.

"classic" sounds like old, obsolete. Now we have a chance to distinct ourselfs from steam gaming platform (google always asks in the search option: did you mean steam?:D )

16.03.2020 17:47
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We've got a much cooler name in mind :-)

16.03.2020 17:51
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Great to hear!

16.03.2020 17:57
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Good because I would flip the table if it were to be called Steem Classic. lol

16.03.2020 17:57
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Would you flip the table if it was named “BROchain?”

Because it might be BROchain, bro. :)

16.03.2020 18:29
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Do you even crypto, bro? 😁

16.03.2020 19:00
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Sounds like a gambling crypto. lol

16.03.2020 19:00
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To me it sounds like a faucet that hands out free crypto for poker and casino style social entertainment with zero risks.

17.03.2020 14:54
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Zero risks!

17.03.2020 20:22
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thats good :)

16.03.2020 20:23
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I hope it's a good one! The name "Steem" has always been highly disappointing... doesn't reflect what the coin does IMO :-D

16.03.2020 20:24
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Awesome, a rebrand will reflect the fresh start!

16.03.2020 21:44
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SWARM, BRANE, PROOF
Those are my suggestions if name's case isn't closed.

16.03.2020 22:35
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SWARM was close!

16.03.2020 23:57
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Swarms = communities ??

darn it... now I almost wish for a new user name.... Can we have nicknames also?? no worries if not.

17.03.2020 06:17
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I'm using an app called SWARM, it's a location checkin and review app.

17.03.2020 15:32
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oh, no, lets get better names ;-)

16.03.2020 17:56
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It will be called steemi of course!

16.03.2020 18:00
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😂

16.03.2020 19:33
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no way! it should be steemy

16.03.2020 20:09
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good idea

16.03.2020 20:11
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SAFU

16.03.2020 22:49
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LOL

16.03.2020 23:06
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estimi man estimi

17.03.2020 09:00
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It will be called NEDCHAIN to honor our beloved ex-leader.

16.03.2020 18:01
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Ned-Dbag-Chain

16.03.2020 18:11
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🤣

16.03.2020 18:23
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17.03.2020 00:55
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Also please don't name it like Synereo Plus or SynerSomething alike :P

16.03.2020 19:21
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Im glad you said it. Damn. 😀
If we fucked up like that again id turn red. lol

16.03.2020 20:40
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If we fucked up like that again id turn red. lol

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

17.03.2020 12:50
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lol! Please no!!

16.03.2020 20:54
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dSteem

16.03.2020 22:23
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yeah.. plz NOT !BEER

17.03.2020 00:52
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17.03.2020 00:52
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Agreed. Actually, the token holders should be voting on the new name. It shouldn't be decided by anyone but the majority of the community.

In fact, the entire fork and new features to be added should be voted on by the entire community.

17.03.2020 13:10
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;)

17.03.2020 13:22
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2020 is already the year of revolution. It's about time we take the future of our community into our own hands.

I, for one, will provide my knowledge & skills towards any goal that is beneficial for this community.

16.03.2020 17:51
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Damn right, 2020 is starting to change to the surface of the world. This year is unique in many ways.

17.03.2020 00:43
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17.03.2020 07:42
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Exciting news. When Justin will be stuck on his precious chain ran by his sock puppets, he should keep in mind that with short period power downs, he won't be the only one dumping... His stake will be worthless by the time the whole community dumps its own old-STEEM.

16.03.2020 17:51
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yup. Assuming JSun pushes through short powerdown as soon as he is in control of super majority of witnesses, I would be highly surprised if the market caps of old Steem and new chain don't flip within a week. EVERYONE is going to dump their Steem as soon as the short powerdown is pushed through, and almost all the current Steem whales are on board for new chain.

16.03.2020 19:10
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Better yet, we can convince exchanges Justin Sun is an attacker and he lied to them already, and the world, they could just swap the ChainID for us and we keep the original "Steem branding". The big problem with not going this route, is Bitcoin's hard forking talent into oblivion, no one works together on seperate platforms.

16.03.2020 23:03
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The short power down period would only be for Steemit stake and the 3 Exchanges. Everyone else will have a long Powwer Down period to keep them from dumping.

17.03.2020 01:12
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I shall await for the announcement, "Attention all Steemians, Abandon Blockchain, repeat abandon blockchain...Women and children first, proceed in an orderly fashion to the Hive lifeboats and make your way to the SS Hive."
"Not you J.S. Blye, a Captain goes down with his blockchain."

17.03.2020 05:51
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Hey old buddy! I've been on Steemit only intermittently the last while and have no idea what is going on. Sounds like good news, though?! Everything will just happen, though - nothing for me that I need to do?

Good timing as I now have a ton of content lined up after years of prepping and sorting a lot out. I should be able to be posting quality content 2-3x a week now. Excited if this is a new beginning for all of us!

18.03.2020 07:02
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Gosh! I love this!!!
I hope HIVE will have a good dApp finally.

18.03.2020 21:56
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I'm in, fuck 'em!

16.03.2020 17:52
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Yes! 😂

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16.03.2020 19:40
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Do you like him or just want to F__K him?

17.03.2020 01:54
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I guess the exchanges listings can be solved over time, and considering that currently STEEM is not listed on too many of them I guess the new STEEM may even outperform the old one. I am curious though to hear details about the new chain, and hopefully you(the ones that could make this a reality) will take into consideration the current flaws that Steem and Steemit have and that led to this situation. I am not that technical but as I mentioned a few times on my blog I sure wish some sort of a way to be found in solving the rewards pool abuse, the spamming, the privacy issues related to public wallets, which in my opinion should be private and why not self voting. I know that the current chain is a DPOS one but I hope for the new one, in voting witnesses, a vote to be equal between any given members. Rewards wise I totally get the use of VP but in the case of witnesses if we would have have a slightly different weight on our votes, where the number would decide and not the junk, I guess Justin wouldn't have a chance. Curious about future updates. Interesting but uncertain times ahead I have to say.

16.03.2020 17:54
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So censorship is counterproductive and you need Hard Fork?

16.03.2020 17:54
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I will be more than happy to migrate to this new chain.

We should not feel obligated to remain on a chain where the largest stakeholder is completely hostile to nearly the entire community. We should not feel obligated to go down with the proverbial ship. We should not feel obligated to maintain a presence simply for the sake of being an opposing force.

Let the centralized chain rot in its own incompetence and arrogance. We will move on with little more than a blink...and will likely prosper once unleashed from our four-year burden of poor leadership and wasted funds.

The albatross will no longer be around our necks. We should seize that opportunity to make this new chain what Steem could have been years ago.

16.03.2020 17:56
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As long as it's a swap, so we can exchange our STEEM for the new crypto. I would hope this would be done in a pretty seamless fashion like BTC and BCH was, for example.

16.03.2020 20:29
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It'll be like bcash but it wasn't a swap it was coins on both chain, you'll have sell on one side as fast as possible to buy more of the other side.

16.03.2020 20:59
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you'll have sell on one side as fast as possible to buy more of the other side.

Which stock exchange will support the new Steem or do we support Bitcoin?

16.03.2020 21:48
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I don't see why exchanges wouldn't support it, Most likely none at start.

17.03.2020 03:49
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That's cool, but you know the exchanges don't list coins for free?

17.03.2020 09:35
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Yes they do, maybe they don't lists scamcoins with pre-mines for free through.

17.03.2020 11:44
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Okay, but who's gonna cover that amount in hive? So scamcoin with pre-mine? :P

17.03.2020 11:59
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The BTC-BCH split was a fork. If you had bitcoin before, you now had bitcoin on both chains. Blocktrades mentions this will be an airdrop, such that all existing STEEM holders will end up with two tokens (except for Sun).

A swap is distinct in that it requires users to trade or destroy an old token for a new token. That's an interesting model to make sure the new token holders actually care about the project. But ultimately you'd lose the automatic adoption you get from an airdrop

16.03.2020 23:09
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So, in the new chain SUN's STEEMS will be removed and Freeom/Pumpkin still be the king?

17.03.2020 15:37
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agree 100%.
HIVE should have free accounts and a kickass mobile app. Anything other than that, and we are left with the same problems of onboarding. Let's do the next one in a smart way.

18.03.2020 15:25
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In Solidarity! Will make sure that the new chain is in adherence to the values putting people and decentralization at the fore-front. Any other attempts or interests if arises will be prevented by and all resources available.

16.03.2020 17:57
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... putting people and decentralization at the fore-front.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

17.03.2020 12:52
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I am 100% on board with this and look forward to moving on from the SINMS that has been killing Steem for so long.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@berniesanders/i-support-the-move-from-steem

16.03.2020 17:58
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16.03.2020 18:06
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16.03.2020 18:08
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I just went to your post and liked. Let's have a !BEER together to celebrate tonight! Btw. will you be president soon?

17.03.2020 00:50
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17.03.2020 00:50
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I'm in. I've been a witness since October 2016 (a time when the business was still run by Ned and Dan). Never too prominent, always floating around 50-60 in the witness chart, but with more than 10,000 posts (probably 10% articles). I was attracted by the initial promise of the blockchain, a promise which have been repeatedly broken, by various events or actors. I also wrote - just for fun, but I can do more - one of the first dapps, http://steem.supply (now a bit in the limbo, because it was relying on steemit API node). My point is, I am one of those real people that wants to contribute.

16.03.2020 18:00
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You will get your Rewards on the HIVE @dragosroua

18.03.2020 05:26
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Ok. Let's go.

16.03.2020 18:01
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This is for the first time I see you agreeing to something against STEEM.. Time brings change to everyone!

17.03.2020 08:35
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I can get onboard with this!

16.03.2020 18:01
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I am boarding this train.

I understand the intensive fight that has been going on over the past few days but it is time to pull the plug.

If Justin Sun can have his friends at Binance open up withdrawals for him and only him so he can affect consensus, how far will is he likely to go.

There is no chance for a win-win. I will not work with Justin Sun.

I only ask you put up a roadmap so we can start preparing for the exit. Meanwhile we can sustain the fight and hold off Justin long enough for the new chain to be ready.

16.03.2020 18:02
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Roadmap coming tomorrow.

16.03.2020 18:36
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Wonderful. 👍👍
Please include the parameters for the airdrop. 😊😊

16.03.2020 18:41
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It will be 1:1 STEEM/STEEM POWER/SBD from Steem to a new chain.

16.03.2020 20:35
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Nice. I am so excited.😎

16.03.2020 20:48
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Great

16.03.2020 19:21
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Dang you do move fast!

17.03.2020 02:57
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I'm absolutely committed to providing my development resources and knowledge to a new chain, and would be interested in joining this team of ~36. I'd also hope that we allow for more input into the decentralization of the chain, as the problems around the ninja-mine (not the ninja-mine itself) imho, mostly stemmed from the fact that the stake was also able to control governance. I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control. LMK how to contact you/this team and I'll get started. Cheers!

16.03.2020 18:04
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Send me your email via steemit.chat and I'll add you in.

16.03.2020 18:11
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Or you can email me directly at dan thatfunnyatsymbol blocktrades.us

16.03.2020 18:12
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Emailed directly, steem.chat (?) has weird issues for me sometimes. Steemit.chat has expired ssl

16.03.2020 18:19
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Ok, invite on the way to your inbox.

16.03.2020 18:34
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16.03.2020 20:23
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I would also like to be included in the team. I work on a team with two other developers to build blockchain-as-a-service solutions (formerly steem-as-a-service) and would like to be a voice for LTS blockchain and DPoS governance improvements.

16.03.2020 21:06
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as the problems around the ninja-mine (not the ninja-mine itself) imho, mostly stemmed from the fact that the stake was also able to control governance. I

Well said. I have always thought the same. Its not the ninja-mine thats the issue but how it was used or rather not used.

16.03.2020 18:11
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'Put someone you hate in charge of the system, does it still work?' has been all over discord lately and it's so true. 'Would you prefer x in charge?' misses the point entirely for me. It's about decentralization, not about who is in charge. There shouldn't be a person 'in charge'. Getting rid of the ninja stake only gets rid of the ninja stake. It doesn't solve the problems we've had regarding decentralization, since the ninja mine didn't cause those either, it just made them super fuckin obvious.

16.03.2020 18:27
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There shouldn't be a person 'in charge'. Getting rid of the ninja stake only gets rid of the ninja stake.

I wish more people understands this. If we need decentralized system as we claim it is, the system design should be done in such a way that there should be hard coded rules that will not change with people's ego. The way I look at the current drama is a failure by the design to incorporate multiple scenarios. It must be remedied in the long term.

16.03.2020 19:55
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I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control.

Exactly!

16.03.2020 20:51
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I'd like to see a chain where you actually can't just buy control.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

17.03.2020 12:55
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Disagree with implementation there, although SP limit does make sense. I was looking at changing number of witness votes, even a 51% attack gets hard when you have to figure out how to split that 51% amongst 4 witness votes, and still have all 4 in top 20, just to get a veto.

17.03.2020 16:29
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We are in agreement that more massaging of the witness voting scheme needs doing. Yet to carry old baggage to the new incarnation of the chain seems to be setting things up to fail in advance. If STINC's was the only ninja mined coin, then a surgical @null|Mr. Sun makes sense yet it was not. Now @freedom will have greater influence and Bernie can be an even bigger bully.

17.03.2020 20:10
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This is exactly what I was talking about re: Bobinson about ninja stake vs. governance issues. I'm totally ok talking about bernie and freedom once governance is stable and, imo, fixed by not allowing the outsized influence. If freedom could only vote 1 witness, and that guy got #1 bc of it, I don't care tbh. It's when one person can control a supermajority of witnesses that I have issues, and that's my issue w/ governance overall. ninja mine would have been a lot less of an overall issue, if it could only control 1 witness per steem.

17.03.2020 20:39
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pissed.jpg

16.03.2020 18:05
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I'm 10000% in support of this. Justin has proved far beyond any doubt that he's an asshole(I'm not sorry for calling him that😐). He's like Corona Virus to this beautiful chain. Fork his fucking head out. Let him run an empty chain. 😑

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16.03.2020 18:06
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I like what i read .

16.03.2020 18:06
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Fully agree and ready to jump into a new chain with every project we developed!

16.03.2020 18:06
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Question, will the airdrop be done to liquid and/or powered up STEEM?

16.03.2020 18:06
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to both, and SBD too

16.03.2020 18:07
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That's great! I feel it's the right thing to do please leave out non supporters!!

16.03.2020 18:28
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That's great! I feel it's
The right thing to do please leave
Out non supporters!!

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I'm a bot. I detect haiku.

16.03.2020 18:28
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LOL I actually like that automated haiku!

16.03.2020 18:49
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Excelente. Hasta ahora he leído cada uno de los comentarios, y he aprendido muchísimo de todos. Pensaba justamente en eso y me parece genial esa forma de hacer la migración. Aplausos y todo mi respeto para ustedes.

Excellent. So far I have read every single comment, and learned a lot from everyone. I was just thinking about that and I think that way of doing the migration is great. Applause and all my respect to you.

17.03.2020 01:49
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This brings up a good question. Will Hive have a SBD like stable coin? I hope not.

17.03.2020 02:59
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The structure of the new chain will mirror Steem initially. From there any changes the community wants to make can be made, including SBD. No doubt some will want to get rid of it and some will want to improve it. Possibly some would want to keep it the way it is, but I don't know many in that camp.

17.03.2020 10:50
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if we would do that, i think it should be exact copy of current state. powered up, sbd, liquid, savings. that feels fair.

16.03.2020 18:49
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Sounds cool and you rightly said we are true community. Let's do this 💯

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16.03.2020 18:06
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I've been waiting for this post since the beginning of that drama with Justin. A post that makes things clear. You made my day! 💪
Thank you, I can't wait to hear more!

16.03.2020 18:08
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Sorry we took so long, we didn't want to tip off Justin before we were ready.

16.03.2020 18:13
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It's understandable.
I cross my fingers for this project!

16.03.2020 18:18
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Does he really know what he's doing anyway - Although it was amusing when he discovered how delegation works.

Definitely looking forward to knowing about the infrastructure/witness node requirements and rollout.

17.03.2020 01:53
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Exciting news. I will be happy to become a part of it. As a content creator I look forward to continuing with the same audience. I really hope we can get everyone onboard, apart from Justin obviously.

16.03.2020 18:08
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I’m down.

16.03.2020 18:08
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Full Steem ahead!!! JS and Ned are two POS who need to be cast out and shunned. Screw JS and all his enablers and let's break away and start a new future.

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16.03.2020 18:08
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Our Fund of Projects building on Blockchain (previous steem) will be happy to continue to develop on decentralized chain that is fast and free.

Do please consider implementing some of the DPoS reforms that would continue to keep us a leader in the innovation of DPoS governance. This include but are not limited to the ideas here enumerated by @rycharde.

16.03.2020 18:08
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I don’t want to spoil any announcements, but there will be a few small changes on the new fork, one of them regarding mitigation of the takeover issue. It is one of the goals of this new chain to address DPoS security concerns for the long-term.

16.03.2020 18:14
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Excellent. We will consider running a witness node to support this new chain.

16.03.2020 19:34
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I would commit to this as a user

16.03.2020 18:11
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Call it “Meets”

Perfect lol

16.03.2020 18:12
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With respect to what you have written. Jack Miller speaks highly of you and I hold him with high regard myself.
Does this mean we should power down our Steem?
It does concern me on another level that I am just jumping from one chain to another were a voice as low SP as mine would not be heard.

One thing I have voiced since coming to Steemit.com was to use Steem to invest to the FIAT world to bring a higher value and a demand for the token. I see this as a method to bring more people to the economy of a chain.

Do you have someone I could discuss the possibilities of an ambitious project with?

16.03.2020 18:12
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Generally all the existing balances will be carried forward an airdropped in a fork like this. That will be including liquid coins (currency), powered up and SBD. The names in the new chain will be different.

16.03.2020 18:24
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I'm thinking your account name just got a little more valuable :)

16.03.2020 23:00
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@steemitQA just realised today, TheHive is not just my name on Discord lol.
Definitely got a bit more visibility.

17.03.2020 00:54
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Xd
Don't settle for a little bit a of money for the name ask for 1 billion!

17.03.2020 02:35
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I'd accept support for my Hive Recycling project, with the ambition it could assist in growing the value of the token, while reducing the costs of living and enabling people in the real world. lol

Growing the community from investment from the community that bring back value to both the community and the token.

17.03.2020 02:51
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I do like the idea haha let's see what we can do with all this!

17.03.2020 02:57
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I had a similar idea way back when. Always wanted to provide an avenue for people abroad to invest in the African economy. $50,000 is enough to build an apartment complex that would return about a minimum of $1000 a month after costs.

17.03.2020 14:02
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I would like to advance the project to other industry like drinking water. It starts to get complicated. Along with the housing, A rebate system for rental accommodation would provide an avenue for daily life interactions with the token.

17.03.2020 15:01
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I'm in and have been waiting for this day for many many years since it became obvious long ago that Ned and his amateurish ways were incapable of properly running things.

A true Community Steem chain is what some of us have been dreaming of and it's day is fast approaching. #cant-wait

16.03.2020 18:15
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We are not just strange looking addresses on a blockchain, we share more than just number transactions, we share ideas, beliefs, and fellowship with each other.

I will call this; decentralized faith and unblemished community bond.

In support with this move, I believe it will breakthrough and put the steem oppressors to shame

16.03.2020 18:16
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6So essentially you announce a steem fork.

Now to the golden question. How will the airdrop work? Do we get one new steem for each steem we have powered up or what? When will the snapshot be made?

16.03.2020 18:16
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the big boys can get one, everyone with the username penderis gets x 10 because that is better and some of the people who know penderis and have less than 10k stake. Totally fair.

16.03.2020 18:25
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Sounds like a plan!

16.03.2020 19:40
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Formal announcement from group with snapshot date for airdrop will be announced tomorrow. This post today is just my personal statement.

16.03.2020 18:39
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Cool, thanks !

16.03.2020 18:53
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Alright @blocktrades, It's been "tomorrow" for almost 7 hours.... The suspense is killing me! lol.

17.03.2020 10:51
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Too bad our steem is locked in binance for the airdrop snapshot. Any recommendation?

17.03.2020 11:29
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Formal announcement from group with snapshot date for airdrop will be announced tomorrow.

Starting a new chain built on theft will not be great karma in my opinion.

https://goldvoice.club/steem/@novacadian/q7c831

17.03.2020 12:58
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There's no theft: Steem will still exist and so will those tokens. This is a voluntary movement by people who don't want to support the value of those tokens, when they were promised for development and people made decisions based on those promises.

This is one of the true wonders of blockchain technology: it allows people to freely associate, disassociate from those with differing principles, and reform as a group again, all on a voluntary basis. At the end of the day, the value of the coins on both chains will be determined by the values of the supporters of each coin.

17.03.2020 15:29
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@blocktrades Please take care of two things:

  • Make the new coin scarce. Much lesser supply than steem will look good.
  • Too much inflation is not good, make it reasonable.
17.03.2020 17:28
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Well an arbitrary decision is being made as to whose tokens will be brought over and whose will not. You are bringing more baggage with you. STINC was not the only Ninja Mined coins.

With your proposal @freedom will have more influence with witness placement than ever before and @berniesanders will be an ever bigger bully in the new pond to name but a few.

If you are learning from past mistakes of the DPoS experiment then my recommmendation would be to leave the old baggage behind. Perhaps start all existing accounts off at 500SPs.

It's your project so your call. It just has no interest to me to get rid of one bully and raise up others. A level playing field seems the way to go for true decentralization if that is your true goal. My guess it is not. Just have to wait to see the OpenSeed has to offer. Maybe the best of all chains by allowing one to come and go among all the splinters of the STEEM community.

17.03.2020 19:55
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If you are learning from past mistakes of the DPoS experiment then my recommmendation would be to leave the old baggage behind. Perhaps start all existing accounts off at 500SPs.

That sounds nice but it doesn't work as well. The new blockchain needs the financial support of some whales, else it fails. Because someone has to pay for equipment.

@blocktrades already said he is working on a better REP system. My guess is the the new chain as a "carbon copy" of the current STEEM DPoS implementation is just the start.

The implementation and even DPoS itself should evolve from there.

They already are aware that without further development it will fail. This very blog post says so.

17.03.2020 20:20
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Putting funds in the SPS system will eliminate the need for whales. In my opinion, the choice to bring the baggage is for self interests not anything as practical as you are suggesting.

@ned->@justinsumsteemit->@freedom

17.03.2020 20:41
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the choice to bring the baggage is for self interests

I have to be honest with you, as libertarian I do believe self interest to be a virtue.

If a social blockchain is created on self interest by its founders, then they need to implement a protocol in such a way that will benefit them. But to get that benefit, they need HUMAN users. The more users, the more benefit.

If you create a failed set of rules on that new social blockchain, well, they will harm their self-interests.

So I don't see an issue there. Either their develop a good social blockchain or a shitty product. Time will tell.

I myself prefer a social blockchain by @blocktrades than by @justinsunsteemit , but also already explained what I envision as an ideal protocol for a social blockchain (wont publish the link again).

But not everyone has resources to put theory into reality. I don't have enough resources to build an ideal (in my vision) social blockchain, so only can suggest others a couple of ideas and wish for their success.

17.03.2020 21:50
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I have to be honest with you, as libertarian I do believe self interest to be a virtue.

That seems understandable to me, in the sense that we have all been attracted to STEEM for many reasons.

Mine was primarily the technology. An Experiment as Dan Larimer called it. It has been found to have a serious weakness. To have another kick at the can and bring along the old baggage of economics seems not to be driven as a scientific experiment. Instead of offering a true egalitarian start up to the community that has come together over the last 4 years this development has as its primary focus capitalistic profit as a guiding star.

Getting currency out of tokens is difficult.

... then they need to implement a protocol in such a way that will benefit them.

That does not sound like the philosophy of Open Source Programmers to me. Maybe your point is in terms of a Libertarian?

Decentralization may make demands on our concepts of property.

A reboot is done when using software to reset the data not to carry it forward normally. From my experience anyway...

17.03.2020 22:23
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That does not sound like the philosophy of Open Source Programmers to me.

How come not? You are free to create your own version of STEEM, with all accounts reset to 500 SP and that would be an "egalitarian start up "

I probably wont do much there but power down my freebie share and dump, because it wont be (in my view) a sustainable blockchain. But I may be proven wrong. I am not against any fork. That's the easy part.

I known I can't fork STEEM and apply my own protocol vision, I don't have the resources, time, etc.

So, I'm onboard HIVE. Why should I have the same share as others? It doesn't make sense to me.

The level of success of the new chain will be proportional to the level of justice. But egalitarian economics is not about justice, is about communism. I don't want to be rewarded at the same level of people putting more work into that.

Also if the new social blockchain is based on an unfair system, it will be fail too.

@blocktrades et. all are doing an emergency fork after an attack. That is a starting point. They claim have learned from 4 years time experience what is wrong with STEEM. They have an opportunity to develop something better.

I can't be against that. Time is ticking out.

17.03.2020 23:30
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Well said, and no disrespect meant at the effort underway with this project, if that is how it may have appeared to you.

17.03.2020 23:49
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17.03.2020 20:55
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Are you and my Mom dating again? :)

17.03.2020 22:48
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what about tokens held on binance? will binance support? or better to move to steem account for snapshot?

18.03.2020 00:02
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Agree with the fight agree with the HF.

In my opinion, Steemit Inc has nearly zero value now

Justin Sun bought it really cheap. It does have some brand rights (I guess) that he can use to legally block the real STEEM community to use it and it's the www.steemit.com site is an easy onboarding platform for a TRON token.

That's why he doesn't care about the rest. Of course, if he could sell STEEM for some $$$ better for him, but his value plan probably takes into account that stake to be $0 in value.

PS: @blocktrades I don't want to spam your blog, just leaving this for visibility and future reference as I honestly think it contributes some ideas for the future.

Reputational Enhanced Delegated Proof-of-Stake (REDPOS)

16.03.2020 18:17
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i vote yes

16.03.2020 18:17
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lets not call it steem though, it was always a terrible name, also get rid of sbd

16.03.2020 18:21
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lol who comes here after so long time. Nice to see you mate :)

16.03.2020 20:49
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I'm around, I just don't post anymore or support steemcleaners now that it's just an abuser itself, probably one of the most abusive things on steem, but who's going to stop it. :)

But hello :p

16.03.2020 21:09
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So, there is not a chance to save Steem? Isn't it like we're giving up?

Don't get me wrong here. I think this idea is good but there are still a lot of "what ifs"...

16.03.2020 18:18
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We're not going to save the name "Steem". Ned nina-trademarked it a while back and it's not worth fighting for that much, especially as it doesn't have a great reputation outside of Steem itself. But we're going to save everything that really matters.

16.03.2020 18:41
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Do you think Justin Sun will join Hive?

16.03.2020 20:33
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... and then history repeats ... :)

16.03.2020 20:57
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It won't as there will be no ninja-mined stake to buy ;)

16.03.2020 22:31
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We should try to save it for sure. We did put so much energy in this. I hope that will not be gone for nothing !

17.03.2020 11:15
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16.03.2020 18:20
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I fully support this and look forward to helping in anyway I can.

16.03.2020 18:22
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Finally.

Been waiting for this announcement for a while. I hope the "stalemate" bought enough time.

16.03.2020 18:22
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Yep, that was pretty much the plan, lull him into fighting the wrong battle and false narrative of a "stalemate". He's seen this as a token battle, when we've all really known it was a battle for community solidarity.

16.03.2020 18:43
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Ese fue un golpe certero.

That was an accurate blow.

17.03.2020 01:53
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Great News! How do you plan to handle the Airdrop for the exchanges?

16.03.2020 18:22
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Great News! How do you
Plan to handle the Airdrop
For the exchanges?

                 - twinner


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16.03.2020 18:22
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Full plans for the airdrop, including important info for how exchanges can choose to support the airdrop will be via a Hive group post tomorrow.

16.03.2020 18:44
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with no kyc please)) Voice chat on telegram had 2 messages/24 hours 2 days ago. Nobody impressed with that innovation by Larimer.

16.03.2020 19:12
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no kyc needed, proof of keys only

16.03.2020 23:26
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Does it need master/owner key or will active key be enough? I lost my master/owner key long ago but I am still here because of the latter.

17.03.2020 05:17
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All keys on the new chain will be the same as the old chain.

17.03.2020 10:46
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Thanks for the answer!

17.03.2020 11:00
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Great!

17.03.2020 08:03
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I believe you would already have a great plan for the airdrop. I wanted to share a small thought on this.

I would like to recommend that people should be able to manually login and claim their airdrop instead of getting the airdrop straight away based on their balance during the snapshot. And for the accounts that don't claim their airdrop within a specific period / deadline date, we can probably burn them or cut them from supply.

16.03.2020 19:31
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That method can be unfair to people who lose their keys and later find them (it happens) or who are simply away for a long period of time for reasons beyond their control. Anyways, in cases where keys are permanently lost, the stake is effectively out of the supply anyways.

16.03.2020 23:28
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yes like being in an ICU unit with no internet access

17.03.2020 00:49
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Hopefully not, but especially at this time it is a very good point, unfortunately. Anyway the airdrop method being used will preserve those coins for what we hope is any such community members' hopeful recovery.

17.03.2020 10:48
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An airdrop for Binance so they could play the same trick right away(???)

17.03.2020 13:32
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I would like to suggest the name 'Water' the tokens are 'Drops' they can be 'frozen' like stake and the whole thing will be condensed from Steem.

16.03.2020 18:23
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But you have to spell it funny, like WOTR or something...

16.03.2020 20:59
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maybe H2O

16.03.2020 21:14
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I like your name more than "Hive". I hope they consider your name or an alternate. Though, something tells me they've already decided on Hive without even consulting the community. Kinda bummed about that.

16.03.2020 21:17
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YES! I'm 100% onboard with this @blocktrades!

This is the first time I have seen something that feels truly solid in the course of this entire shitshow. There are so many things about a move like this that feels right... from being a win for our community to the broader picture of it being a win for both DPOS and decentralization on a meta level. I believe this would not only save the community and everyone's years of sweat equity, but it will also be a "watershed moment" in terms of what can accomplished by a group of people working together.

I believe the exchange issue will fall into place, in time. It may be difficult for some in the short term... but the proof will be in the pudding, so to speak.

16.03.2020 18:26
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I was trying to warm you up for this the other day. Glad to have you on board and excited for the new opportunities!

16.03.2020 18:32
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Yes, I remember... and I've been letting that "marinate" since then and it seems like the only appropriate way to go, particularly if there's overwhelming support in the greater community!

And what better time to actually DO this than while so many of us are cooped up at home with nowhere to go due to corona chaos... so we can get the "new and improved" community off to a flying start!

16.03.2020 18:41
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Is there overwhelming support? I dont think so.

17.03.2020 02:09
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I am fully IN !!!!
Looking forward to read more.

16.03.2020 18:26
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All I'll say is this:

  • I'm not against this.
  • I won't be boarding any hype trains.
  • I'm not easily swayed.
  • I'm not easily impressed.
  • Don't let me down, because I've had enough of that shit.
  • I adore this community.
  • I don't want to quit.
16.03.2020 18:28
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I think you’ll be surprised to see what we’ve been able to do in just a couple of weeks as a rag-tag group of malicious hackers that have also been simultaneously fighting a benevolent dictator. I don’t believe there will be much “hype” - just a lot of truth and some choices that we’ll all need to make.

I hope to see you on the new chain, as your work is one of the shining examples of creativity in this community.

16.03.2020 18:38
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I hope to see you on the new chain, as your work is one of the shining examples of creativity in this community.

All I need is a place where I can focus on that. I deleted the rest of this comment because all I did was go off on a tangent highlighting a few frustrations from my past here. I have a feeling this community only wants to move forward now.

16.03.2020 19:05
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I share the same frustrations too but let's give the fresh start a chance... Maybe this whole Tron situation was a blessing in disguise hey?

16.03.2020 20:24
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All blessings wear a disguise.

16.03.2020 20:52
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Except me, the blessing without a disguise (although could probably do with one to cover up that mug in my profile picture) heyyyyy 😉👉

16.03.2020 21:28
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Yes we all want move forward but I think we need to keep the knowledge and wisdom of past frustrations/mistakes to guide us forward.... If not we will be doomed to repeat it all...
If we are to move forward with a new chain we will need to keep those past frustrations front and center and do our best to remedy them in the new chain.

16.03.2020 23:04
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I agree. 100%

Live and learn.

16.03.2020 23:47
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Just for the record, I consider Justin Sun a malevolent dictator.

16.03.2020 19:07
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I think he would disagree with you. But you’re probably blocked by him, so he can’t read this anyway.

Just in case...

@justinsunsteemit

16.03.2020 19:10
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Good to know that there are developers working behind the scene to actually make this possible. We'll be holding to your word though, we expect to see great things! 😉

17.03.2020 11:55
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well said.

16.03.2020 18:50
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I don't want to quit... but ill be planning my next hiatus nonetheless. ;)

16.03.2020 20:42
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Everyone knows the difference between a vacation or time off and quitting.

I've been back a month, and that's the first thing you say to me?

It's nice to see you again, Self-proclaimed Asshole. ;)

16.03.2020 20:56
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A downvote on the "second coming" post was a statement,, i think. ;)

I proclaim to be any naughty name anyone would call me. Im a little pink faggot boy as well.

16.03.2020 21:06
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Certainly haven't lost your charm. Did you downvote me? I didn't notice.

16.03.2020 21:09
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Well its under an inch. What can i say? Sometimes you just dont feel it. :(

16.03.2020 21:25
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Don't feel sad. You're just a late bloomer.

16.03.2020 21:55
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Great idea, I'll be following most of the community (I hope) on the new chain.

From a more down-to-earth point of view, the date and time of the fork must be made public (some time in advance) to ensure everyone has the same chance to buy / sell tokens before the fork (hence the "snapshot"). If that's not the case, it will be botched and the launch will be (as with the ninja-mined stake) forever stained by evident and predictable insider "trading".

16.03.2020 18:29
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A formal group announcement will be made tomorrow. This is just my personal message.

16.03.2020 18:31
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Thanks for the quick answer !
From which account will the announcement be made ? @blocktrades ?
Anyway, looking forward to this, exciting times ahead !

16.03.2020 18:34
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Yes! Please!

16.03.2020 18:32
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I absolutely agree and welling to do what ever I can to help the community be better!

16.03.2020 18:32
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Great, motivating post!

As you may know, for several reasons I am (was?!) in favour of seeking compromises, because ...

  • I saw the benefits of the financial resources to support STEEM development and the promotional skills of Justin Sun.
  • I fear(ed) that with no exchange listings of the 'new STEEM' its value in USD may approach zero; good to know that you have some ideas/plans for bringing it to the exchanges.
  • I fear part of the community might get lost after a separation (for example I really would miss the Korean community).
  • As the STEEM blockchain is kind of a long term storage of my ideas and thoughts I wondered what happened to all my articles (this fear seems not to be justified according to your post).

However, your post made me somewhat more optimistic and calm, even if I still wonder about which exact consequences such a fork would have.

If the fork will happen I really suggest to limit the witness votes per account to prevent that single individuals are able to appoint the majority of the top witnesses (again) and thus control the whole blockchain.

16.03.2020 18:33
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Fucking Checkmate boss! "unless" he starts buying people and I'm not selling. Consider me in. This is really exciting, I'm pretty sure we can regain value and make this ship sail again!

Regards boss!

16.03.2020 18:35
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Buying people from exchanges will be funny :)

16.03.2020 19:11
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Sun got sucker-punched by Ned and I've no empathy for either of them. A lot of CEO's abandoned ship prior to the virus and that suggests insider tip-off.
FWIW: it's obvious that this is the only pragmatic move left and the correct course of action but I'm skeptical that the new chain won't be an oligarchy.

16.03.2020 18:36
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IMO: one of the overarching visions of the new chain is to make this type of platform a viable way for the masses to earn a basic income: at least 12,000 grand a year under current economic modeling.

16.03.2020 18:39
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It's inevitable that Hive will, at the beginning, be a reflection of what Steem is, in terms of the rules of the chain. But I don't see it staying that way for too long.

16.03.2020 19:31
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Now THAT'S the update right here!

So will the hard fork/new chain you're proposing effectively work the same as it does now with SP, steem, SBD etc? Or will the dynamics of how that all works change as well?

Just need to plan ahead as I co-run a contest via the current post payout/reward pool mechanics and want to make sure we can keep it running and all-inclusive. Also hoping to bring in a lot more electronic music producers once this dust settles!

If you are going to fork, will there be a whole rebrand/start afresh or is it going to keep the STEEM name?

Sorry, I have been trying to keep up with all that's happened here but I'm a casual user so miss the finer details.

Sounds exciting though!

Nicky

16.03.2020 18:37
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The initial dynamics will be very similar. New token name is Hive.

The only initial tweak will be to a delay on voting power of newly poweredup tokens, to avoid another attack by exchanges (or by someone who hacks an exchange and steals the tokens).

16.03.2020 19:33
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Sounds great to me! Yep, I think keeping the changes minimal to begin with so there's a "bedding in period" (in terms of how everything works from a casual daily user POV) but adding security to the network in the initial period and then roll out well communicated upgrades as time goes by is the way to do it.

Looking forward to the new chain 🙂

16.03.2020 20:15
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I'm in.
He doesn't deserve a compromise from us.
Let him waste his money on a pile of garbage.

16.03.2020 18:37
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Just name the account to power up so community stake can do to stunc what stinc tried to do to us.
I will happily set it as my power down route.

16.03.2020 18:37
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My two bits of advice: Don't take a long time to release the new blockchain. That's like the games that stay in early access for a long time, so by the time they finally reach full release no one is paying attention to them anymore. And name it something that doesn't include the name "Steem". Not only should the new blockchain and coin be an entity unto itself without hearkening back to the Steem branding, but using the name Steem has always been a point of confusion for some between Steam the game platform and Steem the cryptocurrency. It should be a new and unique name.

16.03.2020 18:37
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New name is Hive. And we'll be moving quite quickly on this one. Most of the delay was making sure we were ready as far as the code, testing, and servers were concerned before we made any kind of announcement that might tip of Justin Sun.

16.03.2020 19:36
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Hive sounds cool!

16.03.2020 19:43
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I like this name!

16.03.2020 20:42
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Hive...? I get how the community sort of acted like a hive and stung off those trying to exploit which is kind of cool in that light, however... A hive is generally to my understanding a hierarchy with a queen which is like the total opposite of freedom/anarchy.

I Googled the science of it more and some people are saying the queen in a hive doesn't really rule and there's a form of Democracy, though, it still seems like hive is often associated with a "hivemind" and "groupthinking" as opposed to individual sovereignty.

I think that critics of this effort will likely start referring to us as "buzzing drones" and "clones", are you sure Hive is the right way to go? The community and tech are what's really important in my opinion, but, a name can have significant implications as well.

Hive doesn't roll off the tongue that great in my opinion, though, it's not that bad either... I think the community will do well either way. Just thought I'd say something cause the word Hive doesn't fit as well with freedom as I might like.

16.03.2020 20:46
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Hive was chosen by a group vote, and I suppose it has different meanings to different people. In the future, as we start exploring ways to improve the chain, I'll share my own ideas for why it can be an appropriate name.

17.03.2020 02:20
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Thanks for your response.
Does the broader steem community even know who this "group" was that voted on our future name? It feels like this was decided in secret without the broader community having any input or say and the name is an important factor in my opinion, it's not "nothing" the name does matter.

One other question. Did you check to see if you have the legal ability to use the name? There's already a Hive Blockchain company, are you sure there's no conflict there? And I mean... Wouldn't it be nice to have a name that is original, new or unique and not one that another crypto company already uses?

17.03.2020 02:44
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I didn't see any poll crated to make the community choose the name. Didn't even here about that in discord. Maybe they just wanted to support the hive communities created. Anyway, we have the right to stay in both chains and see what will happen. We worked for years to spread steem name in the world and it will be hard for us to explain everyone that's hive now. Also in twitter there are already a lot of people talking about #hive and they refer to something related to bees. I don't really know what to say. I also created a poll in twitter and 50% voted to not fork. I don't want to leave them behind. They are like a family to me !

17.03.2020 10:52
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awesome stuff! i have one question:
if i start powering down all my sp right now, how would that affect the future air drops in the forked chain?

17.03.2020 04:11
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I think it's better to not power down before the fork is ready. There will be an airdrop and you will be able to get more of that new hive power ! I think the amount that you will have in steem power will be the same in hive power !

17.03.2020 10:54
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wait. i'm assuming the airdrop is gonna inlucde SBD, STEEM, and STEEM POWER based on a snapshot, meaning even if you're powering down the only difference is liquidity. i guess we'll find out. i gotta wait 5 days anyway before all my delegations are cancelled.

17.03.2020 11:16
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They will write the roadmap today I guess, let's wait for that.

17.03.2020 11:22
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To be quite frank, which is a natural fault of mine of which I just can't help at times, lol, it is totally the wrong name for a new site. Basically for two reasons, first being that many people feel the site is to centered around a exclusive group of people, that it's hard to garner new users and keep them when they are at a disadvantage over it. Many feel, and many that have left feel this way, the platform is centered to the advantage of a feel select groups. Second would be that the new name implies such and the fact that people were left out of the decision process to determine or vote on a new name implies such, and implies there's nothing going to change in regards to that. It's one "hive" of people whose at an advantage and decisions will be based on just what they think is right regardless if a majority of users aren't happy with the decision. It would be totally different if a group of people came down with a list of choices and said the new name will be based on which name gets the most votes from the community....not that that will quell much in the decision making process complaint department as most people know how that's going to come down anyway, as the bees will leave the hive to sting the shit out of the upvote button regardless if they know it's going to kill them in the end.

Hive is just totally the wrong image, unless of course you actually are out to portray the site as exclusive as to how it's run. You won't be attracting more bees with less honey.

18.03.2020 00:08
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I don't agree.
This wasn't something planned years ago, much less two weeks ago.

I applaud the quick thinkers who took a name, ran with it and made it happen.

This doesn't seem like an online poll situation.
Time is of the essence!

20.03.2020 08:01
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Yet people do d polls here all the time.

20.03.2020 20:20
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Think of having your own "HIVE" @apolymask, what is more FREE than that?

Hive Coin... I effen love it .... Steem will always be remembered like that first girlfriend that you exed after finding a real one.

17.03.2020 06:12
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I guess it really depends on how you look at things and what the word Hive means to you, like most words it has numerous different definitions and ways to interpret it and you can choose to only see the positive ones if you want to, however, I think what's even more concerning than the negative implications of the name is how it was done in secret among a smaller group of people as opposed to the whole community out in open in the "sunlight" so to speak in a truly decentralized manner.

And in regard to your last metaphor, I've never exed any women like that before so I can't really relate to your analogy or line of thinking. Sounds a bit insensitive or dishonorable to me, but, to each their own.

17.03.2020 06:47
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Hi, Hive! This is a beautiful name!

16.03.2020 21:04
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Hive sounds great! Do you already have a Logo? 😊

If thats not the case, i would try to create something. Maybe you like it. Its up to you then. I make it for free to give a little contribution.

Edit:Hey @blocktrades. I finished a design for a Hive Logo now:
https://steempeak.com/steem/@remotehorst23/hive-logo-contributionHope you like it.^^

16.03.2020 21:08
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Maybe if you made the internal shape of a hive, it would look better. But the decision in the end is for the majority, if it really is a decentralized chain

17.03.2020 01:36
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Thanks, i will try out your idea. It sounds good. Not sure if it works well in terms of balancing (could look too "sharp and hard"). But i try a few things with that. I will let you know when i update my Post.

17.03.2020 01:43
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Hive has too many negative connotations, how about HONEY?

16.03.2020 21:10
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Hive has too many
Negative connotations,
How about HONEY?

                 - r0nd0n


I'm a bot. I detect haiku.

16.03.2020 21:10
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Oh haikubot, you finally pay off

17.03.2020 07:04
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To be clear, I mean HONEY as the token name, Communities can be rebranded to Hives, but you'll attract more flies with HONEY.

16.03.2020 21:12
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But then we can't call the scandalous types, Hive Turkeys.

16.03.2020 21:34
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I see your point here @r0nd0n.

What if it was the Hive blockchain and the HONEY token?

17.03.2020 11:05
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Holy shit,that's golden.

18.03.2020 11:34
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Yeah, I also think the community could choose a better name.

17.03.2020 10:59
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we kinda broke out in Hives in response to the Sun allergen 😁

17.03.2020 12:20
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Dang, I thought it was going to be a surprise announcement. We shall shed our steemian skin and become hiveians!

16.03.2020 21:17
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Just for your information: one of the oldest social networks in the Netherlands was called 'Hyves'. I've set up our first date with my wife in 2007 on that platform. Many fond memories..

However, at some point a venture capitalist came along, bought it, tried to turn it into some game platform, which failed miserably.

Let's learn from experiences.

16.03.2020 21:27
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Fellow Dutchie waving

16.03.2020 23:26
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So cool, I met my wife on Hyves as well 😃

17.03.2020 07:19
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"It all started with a 'krabbel'...'

17.03.2020 07:55
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What about the logo @blocktrades ? Will it be the same or we will have a new logo as well ?

16.03.2020 21:28
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New logo for sure!

17.03.2020 02:24
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Will our hive communities transfer there as well ? It's one of the most important thing. I'm building that for months and already 200 subscribers are in @dcooperation

17.03.2020 09:32
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Please! a nice dApp !

18.03.2020 22:02
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Interesting name. I suppose the communities could be called "colonies" or something like that. What programming language is it being written in?

16.03.2020 22:33
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Core code is still C++, we're only making minor modifications there in the initial launch.

17.03.2020 02:24
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Nectar would be better

16.03.2020 23:08
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

27.03.2020 11:30
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I like Hive, but at the same time it sounds a bit obscure... at least is my feeling about the name. Why not, "OpenChain"?

17.03.2020 02:56
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Hive will be seen as HIV. I don't like it.

17.03.2020 04:17
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Fair point..

17.03.2020 06:13
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or HIVE or HVE also.... give me a hive five for this one! hehehhe

17.03.2020 06:15
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HIV really isn't a name nor pronounce it that way.

18.03.2020 00:14
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Perhaps a name related to decentralization will be better. The story is clear: a community migrates from its formerly centralized platform to a decentralized place. The name has to spell out the most key aspect about the place.

I get that Hive likely spells out that community is the most key aspect. But the connection is not readily obvious, it's obvious only to insiders. It has to be explained that Hive is about community. Whereas a name that spells out decentralization will be instantly understood.

17.03.2020 09:12
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This is a very good point.

17.03.2020 11:01
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Getting to the core essence of your most important message and presenting that succinctly is one of the fundamentals of real marketing.

17.03.2020 13:28
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There's no decentralization here and never has been, get over it.

18.03.2020 00:11
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New name is Hive.

Love the name of the new blockchain. :)

17.03.2020 09:14
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Steemcleaners can't wait to become Hivecleaners or Hiveminders :-)

17.03.2020 10:28
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I like the word "Elysium" and I think it somehow explains current situation.

From Merriam-Webster:
"Elysium, or the Elysian fields, was the home of the blessed after death."

After the death of old steem, those who had good will, will be there.

17.03.2020 18:45
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Steem has also been confused with Steam Powered Giraffe

17.03.2020 01:14
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yup.... HIVE COIN sounds better the more I say it.

17.03.2020 06:16
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Excellent. I'm glad to feel your enthusiasm and that you are on the same page as most in the community here. I totally agree that this is an opportunity to demonstrate the strength of both the decentralised, blockchain model and also the STEEM community. As far as compromise goes - a compromise ALWAYS results in someone not feeling great and always leads to a less than ideal outcome. Blockchains allow for ZERO compromise and for the enacting of free will, provided that those making the decisions have the resources and knowhow to maintain their own fork and guide their own destiny. If the community chooses to go in a different direction to Justin Sun, then that is there choice and they will mostly feel good about that without needing to compromise ideals. Justin will have to accept that he has created the outcome he experiences and while he may not feel good about the outcome, he would at least not have been forced into it without having had options (which he apparently consciously chose not to take).

There are over 5000 crypto tokens listed on coinmarketcap currently and I have no doubt that, as you say, a legit STEEM replacement would get listed on enough exchanges to allow it to prosper.

On a lighter note - I joked about naming the new token MEETSNORT (TRONSTEEM backwards) and the names MEET and TEEM were obvious too. The domains from those two aren't readily available though (but some are for sale). If we specifically want an 'anti sun' token then maybe SUNBLOCK would be a good one. lol

16.03.2020 18:37
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MeetSnort is amazing. I might learn to code just to put this into practice

17.03.2020 12:58
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Hehe, probably better than 'hive' - go right ahead! ;)

17.03.2020 15:29
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Finally!!! I was getting tired of watching shit going in circles... #packing my bags as we speak

16.03.2020 18:38
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I am good things and I think you will do a good job there. Anything's better than giving Justin what he wants. 👍

16.03.2020 18:38
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I might have been a bit more pessimistic in my own post about Justin's intentions, and I already started powering down, but I do support this effort 100%.

Just keep us posted on how the story develops, and if there's something we as the community, the users of Steem could help with. I'm sure we'll all be supporting the move.

16.03.2020 18:44
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I love this community!

16.03.2020 18:44
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I fully support the coming new chain. The best possible outcome and a big win for the community.

Soon the world will understand that Steem is not Steemit inc.

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16.03.2020 18:45
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💪🏼🙌🏼😅

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16.03.2020 19:38
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This is a historic moment in blockchain. We will NOT let Justin Scum or his bitch-ass mafia exchanges crush our freedoms!

16.03.2020 20:08
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I'll more than gladly offer computing services if we make our own chain.

Anything for the cause.

16.03.2020 18:46
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As an activist investor in our community I agree and support this take. I wholeheartedly agree that steem inc the entity that Justin Sun bought has no value. We as a community will create value in the new blockchain. Whatever help the community wants we will step up. Thanks for the effort @blocktrades

16.03.2020 18:47
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Let’s do it... I’m down 😎🤑

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16.03.2020 18:48
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I hope it works but since there's nothing to lose it's a good solution. 👍

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16.03.2020 18:49
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Will you reach out to news agencies like Cointelegraph, Coindesk etc to generate a greater (initial) attention to the a/the new chain?

16.03.2020 18:49
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Many people are involved in this effort from around the community, including ones with good contacts to the various crypto news sites. They will definitely be contacting them about the new chain and our fight.

16.03.2020 19:49
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Many people are involved from the community, and they will be reaching out to various crypto news sites to spread the word about how we plan to fight Justin Sun's takeover via Hive.

16.03.2020 19:50
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Brilliant, but give Steem a good name, like Steem Ultra or something cooler. On board.

16.03.2020 18:49
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We're tired of saying:
"Steem With two EE's and not the gaming platform and no it doesn't really mean anything."

16.03.2020 19:45
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lol, but Steem is still a cool name :)

16.03.2020 21:20
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😂

17.03.2020 02:56
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:) Steem Ultra! :D

16.03.2020 20:29
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Or Steem3 for Steem Freedom or Steem Free :)

17.03.2020 08:41
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Okay, interesting thoughts @blocktrades. But can we add new designs while this new snazzy chain is being made? It is a legitimate concern that Steem behaves too much as a plutocracy. We need this to be changed.

Bag of "Goodies" I want to see happen for New Steem (Neem?) #Neem

  • Can we discuss speed trade-offs in favor of an increase in the amount of consensus witnesses? Perhaps we can employ sharding in order to maintain similar speed but increase the number of witnesses. Personally, I want 63 consensus witnesses.
  • Reduced amounts of votes per account on witnesses from 30 to 3, at least 8.
  • Remove curation for STEEM and relegate it to SMTs. STEEM inflation switching to 91% staking, 9% block rewards and we cut inflation rate down to 4%.
  • Make "Steem Power" (Let's just name it Stake damn it!!!) an equation of Stake Amount Stake Length so that rewards and influence on "Neem" is not such a plutocracy system but more about rewarding people for their devotion to the ecosystem*.

Example: Dude #1 stakes 5000 "NEEM" for 1 year, Dudette #2 stakes 500 "NEEM" for 10 years and they both end up with equal rewards and influence.

16.03.2020 18:50
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I expect the rate at which Hive"evolves" will make Steem look like a Sloth. We will have far more developers and far more people generating new ideas, now that we'll finally have a chain where Steemit doesn't act as the gatekeeper for even the smallest change.

16.03.2020 19:29
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holy crapolas this is all SO EXCITING!!!!

16.03.2020 21:55
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Dear @blocktrades

At this point, it seems like most of the community is in agreement on one thing: they don’t want Justin Sun here.

I wouldn't be so sure about it. I've read hundreds of comments and posts written by small size users (like myself or even smaller) and majority seem to believe that conflict between witnesses and Justin is nothing more than fight for power.

At the same time those users seem to be afraid to speak out (myself included) in fear that we will become targetted and downvoted for expressing our thoughts. I really am afraid that this comment will put me again on the radar of some powerful stakeholders, who will threat me (just like I was threatened already in the past).

Majority of people out there seem to hope that our witnesses and Justin will find way of working together. That's reality.

Unfortunatelly narrative "us versus him" is so very strong already, that it's hard to still have any hope :(

Personally I can find it very difficult to imagine any product/project being succesful, knowing that major investor/stakeholder (marketing guru) and community build around project are in open and very public conflict. It's hard not to feel that we're in serious trouble.

Before long, we will launch a new coin that is essentially a re-branded hardfork of Steem, airdropped on all Steemians, without airdropping to the Steemit stake.
I believe all the economic value will move to this new chain and the chain with Justin's stake will ultimately just die

I'm failing to see how new chain could hold any value. And I'm really trying. Also what would make people keep their steem and sell all aidropped tokens, bringing price to it's knees with no time? Wealth cannot be just doubled like that.

Good luck with whatever you guys do. Obviously people like myself have no other choice but to watch how it's all unfolding.

We win by fighting, not by compromising

Sometimes conflicts cannot be won. Just like trade war between US and China. If compromise cannot be found - then there are only gonna be dead bodies and loses on both sides. Unfortunatelly.

I hope I will not regreat speaking my mind.
Yours, Piotr

16.03.2020 18:55
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Justin came here to earn money, and he doesn't care about Steem as a blockchain or Steem as a community. The mobilization during the "fight" showed that we are a unique community in a crypto world, and the value is where the people are. Even if the price of a new chain's tokens will be lower for some time, I can't imagine a situation when the old steem wins. Justin does not own a community, and since a few days, he doesn't have developers that could introduce any changes to the blockchain itself.

I'm excited about the new chain and its possibilities to grow and evolve without Steemit baggage.

16.03.2020 19:28
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Fortunatly with a HF you don't have to guess, you could think of it in terms of a "back-up" in case Justin Sun destroys the current version. The real community (the humans that make the real STEEM) can't afford to risk not having a HF.

16.03.2020 19:40
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We understand You have concerns and I hope you are not treated poorly for them... perhpas the group of users running the new chain will respond with reasons why you should re-consider instead of any threats.

16.03.2020 19:44
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The value isn't in the token, it's in the community. I hope that post helps clarify some things a bit.

As to this point:

At the same time those users seem to be afraid to speak out (myself included) in fear that we will become targetted and downvoted for expressing our thoughts.

I have raised this issue as well. It's unfortunate that some here on Steem have no concern for cussing others out, attacking them personally, or flagging / spamming them because I do think it has a silencing effect. I don't know of a solution to this other than communities where guidelines for participation can be clear and those who don't want to follow them are excluded. I hope that everyone is free to express their views and they will be respected, even when people disagree.

16.03.2020 22:37
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Your comment is especially funny. Steem. It has been based for the last two years on an exclusion system that is based on power, not on wanting to participate.

Good joke. That you especially say what you say.

17.03.2020 05:14
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It has been based for the last two years on an exclusion system that is based on power, not on wanting to participate.

Are you referring to rewards distribution or witness voting or both?

DPoS is based on token distribution. Those who have the tokens make the rules and influence how the rewards distribution happens. What do you suggest that is better than DPoS that isn't easily sybil attackable?

17.03.2020 21:06
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I mean everything in global.

Steemit has been administered and controlled by witnesses who were more participatory, even above Steemit. Perfect. So far everything perfect. But.

You can't leave a whole project on the users with more power, when those users are never thinking about growing the project. If those users are exclusively thinking about making money.

Why. Because it is impossible for it to work. Because the ego will never cease to be ego. And because those people who are users, become owners that will never think of creating a project for other users.
If not. That they use that power exclusively to achieve their own benefit.

They will never have the idea of ​​a business in their heads. Exclusively thinking of your quick benefit.

And that will end up destroying and rotting everything.

To the point of being able to vote trash all the time to earn direct profits.

To the point of constantly publishing garbage, always talking about the same thing to earn direct profits.

To the point of completely destroying a project to transform it. Almost exclusively in a forum about your thoughts on the world of cryptocurrencies. Cryptocurrency statistics and other multiple "¿junks?".

May you and I be interested. But that for any "normal" user or person on planet earth.

That you and I are interested in the subject of cryptocurrencies or technology. That's great.

 But that for any "normal" user or person on planet earth. He doesn't give a shit.

I have been at Steemit for over two years. I have never seen witnesses realize that the cryptocurrency theme towards a "normal" user is a conversation between aliens.

Nor have I seen any witnesses realize that the social mass related to cryptocurrencies is 0.0000000000001 of the planet.

I have never seen a witness concerned about this. As long as his bots kept working and making money. That has always been enough for them, and that is the main problem of Steemit.

The thought of the witnesses. At least for the last 2 years. There is no doubt about that.

02.04.2020 03:09
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If you're so afraid, why not simply send/spam this message to our wallets like you always do?

Speaking of which. You agreed to stop spamming my wallet after I told you the cost is now 10 SBD per memo. You owe me ten bucks. ;)

16.03.2020 23:05
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I rang the warning bells on that guy months and months ago. One of these days people will start listening to me... . . 😂

17.03.2020 09:14
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I will certainly never downvote you for a comment of this sort. I'm sorry if someone did, but people's emotions run high in times like these.

But I think you're wrong on many points, starting with:

majority of people out there seem to hope that our witnesses and Justin will find way of working together

It's definitely not the majority of people I know, it's pretty much the opposite.

I've seen a few individuals and one block of users (zzhang group) that seem to think that is the best solution. And frankly, I think that group simply doesn't have enough information to evaluate the situation correctly. Like you, they seem to believe that Justin actually has plans for this chain, something I feel has obviously never been true: his only plan was to move everyone to TRON. I've seen the original contract with Steemit Inc, so I can say this with some certainty.

All his attempts to deny this plan after he got so much opposition to the token swap have fallen flat. And each time his subordinates like Roy, Eli, David, etc promise something, he then goes and does something that shows their words don't matter, it's just what he wants to do. And what he wants is to control the chain and stamp out opposition.

Personally I can find it very difficult to imagine any product/project being successful, knowing that major investor/stakeholder (marketing guru) and community build around project are in open and very public conflict. It's hard not to feel that we're in serious trouble.

Describing Justin Sun as a marketing guru at this point is just pretty funny to me. He's revealed here just how bad he is at real marketing. I was actually expecting him to be OK at this, based on his reputation, when I first learned he was coming to the chain. But the disastrous "AMA" that he had with Ned where they droned on about things no one cared about, ignored all feedback from the audience, answered literally only 3 questions form the AMA (choosing only the easiest to answer) and then fleeing because of "battery problems", made it clear to me he is no marketing guru.

He seems like a Bitconnect guy: he can make a lot of noise and fool people who don't understand any of the technology of blockchains. This type of guy makes money off new, inexperienced speculators, not experienced cryptocurreny investors. And he does it by selling them crap and empty promises, so I won't be a part of such efforts, even if it is a way to make money. No one of sound ethics should ever stoop to making money this way.

And he simply doesn't know how to market himself to informed crypto people. He acts in ways that immediately make them angry (for example, attempting to centralize the chain via sockpuppets). And it's obvious that he doesn't even know what the response will be to such actions.

Finally, marketing aside, it's clear that he has never understood the battle he should have been fighting. He's been fighting for token-based control of the blockchain, without ever realizing that the value of this chain is the community that supports it, not the tokens themselves. Instead, every action he has taken has made the community less willing to work with him.

I'm failing to see how new chain could hold any value. And I'm really trying. Also what would make people keep their steem and sell all airdropped tokens, bringing price to it's knees with no time? Wealth cannot be just doubled like that.

I don't think the overall token value will double in this case, although there can be an increase sometimes during a fork.

But overall value should be about the same as before in this case, because I don't see Justin supporting Steem in any meaningful way for very long. So I expect Steem value will go towards zero quickly after the airdrop of Hive, and value will migrate to Hive coin as most of the users will migrate there. Some holdouts will stay on Steem for a while, but as Justin dumps Steemit stake and fails to support the chain properly, the price of Steem will tank.

Sometimes conflicts cannot be won.

This is true. But I haven't heard a single argument from you yet that explains why you think this one can't be one. I've written an entire post with reasons why it will be won. So to convince me otherwise, I need to hear concrete reasons beyond "marketing guru".

And if your other reason why you think this conflict cannot be won is "Justin's wealthy", let me say a couple things about that. First, I firmly believe that Justin's real wealth is greatly exaggerated, based on the amount of time that was spent negotiating to acquire Steemit Inc, quibbling over terms of a relatively small amount (I wouldn't have even spent that much time on the negotiation of such a sum, and my net wealth including intangibles like IP is only a couple hundred million at best).

I think he's sitting on a bunch of TRON tokens, that give him a theoretically large wealth, but not one that he can realize, because of lack of sufficient market willpower to absorb those tokens if he tries to sell them. This is similar to the problem he will be facing with the Steem tokens, except it will be worse with the Steem tokens.

Also he's been very cautious about acquiring Steem tokens lately, and he hasn't even powered up the ones he bought yet. This is a sign of a man having severe doubts about his plans.

17.03.2020 00:18
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En este punto, me viene la pregunta siguiente: ¿Cómo será realmente la migración? No soy desarrollador ni tampoco un gurú de la informática. Estoy todavía aquí porque me gusta lo que hago, lo que comparto en mis publicaciones. ¿Habrá una migración automática? EL nuevo token será 1:1 con el steem? He leído que se respetará el steem líquido, el encendido y los SBD. En la nueva cadena, ¿Estarán también 3 tipos de token?

At this point, the next question comes to me: What will the migration really look like? I am not a developer nor am I a computer guru. I am still here because I like what I do, what I share in my publications. Will there be an automatic migration? Will the new token be 1: 1 with the steem? I have read that liquid steem, ignition and SBD will be respected. In the new chain, will there also be 3 types of token?

17.03.2020 02:22
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Thank you for taking the time to reply @blocktrades. I very much appreciate it.

Indeed, emotions are very high since Justin purchased STINC.

It's definitely not the majority of people I know, it's pretty much the opposite.

The truth is that we all usually attract people who have similar opinion. And those who disagree usually keep quiet to avoid being downvoted.

I've actually troubled myself and asked over 100 users about their opinion and hardly anyone wanted to take side. Most would like to see some agreement happening and it's not true that majority of people want that conflict to escalate. But this is just my opinion and indeed - we disagree here.

Like you, they seem to believe that Justin actually has plans for this chain

That's the thing. I never said that. Hoping that witnesses will find a way to work with major stakeholder doesn't mean it. I do agree with you, that he doesn't have any plan for this chain. However at the same time it seem to be very obvious that witnesses and some "whales" declared war against justin from day 0. Amount of insults and hostile comments towards him has been very strong since very beginning. And I strongly believe that things could be played out very differently.

Unfortunatelly, we're past that stage already. Witnesses used their enormous influence to escalate and "WIN" this conflict and promote narrative "us versus him".

Good friend of mine said lately, that trying to figure out who started a fight and who escalated is like "egg and chicken" problem.


Describing Justin Sun as a marketing guru at this point is just pretty funny to me. He's revealed here just how bad he is at real marketing.

Could be. I presume I was wrong. Surely you know more about it than I do.


He's been fighting for token-based control of the blockchain, without ever realizing that the value of this chain is the community that supports it

I sometimes wonder how many witnesses or large stakeholders share your belief. How many of them see value in the community.

I've been here for over 2 years and I kind of never received any support to me or managed by me community/hive. Neither did anyone I know. I can only hope that current conflict will change large stakeholders mindset and they will indeed start seeing some value in communities and start supporting quality content creators (outside their circles).


Either way we are where we are and let's assume that this new chain would go live. Bringing any value at all to this new chain may be very difficult.

But overall value should be about the same as before in this case, because I don't see Justin supporting Steem in any meaningful way for very long. So I expect Steem value will go towards zero quickly after the airdrop of Hive, and value will migrate to Hive coin as most of the users will migrate there.

My impression is , that only those who would decide to burn some of their STEEM should receive aidropped new tokens. If you will airdop them to everyone (just like PAL token did), then this token will have zero value (just like PAL token did).

Hoping that majority of people will not take opportunity to dump newly airdropped token is kind of wishful thinking.


But I haven't heard a single argument from you yet that explains why you think this one can't be won, or a plausible strategy for how he will fight back against our plan. I've written an entire post with reasons why it will be won. So to convince me otherwise, I need to hear concrete reasons beyond "marketing guru".
And if your other reason why you think this conflict cannot be won is "Justin's wealthy"

It's not about wealth. Like you said - it's about communities. And businesses. And investors. Uncertainty and conflicts are always huge killers.

Surely from your point of view this conflict may be won. However like I said - all I can think of is tons of "dead bodies" and destruction that will take place. Winning a conflict by simply making someone else lose more - it's not a victory.

I brought example of trade war to show where am I standing in that particular matter. US think they will win. China believes that they will break Us. But at the end of the day millions will suffer and one party will simply lose more than other one. Will it be a victory to celebrate?

Anyway, things went already to far and I absolutely wish you all the best.

Thank you again for your mature and polite reply.
Yours, Piotr

17.03.2020 10:02
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@crypto.piotr i also understand you. We fighted so long time for steem and now we are asked just to move. I still think that if we push harder we can vote for more 7 witnesses to chain steem itself. We have already 10 in the top. The last month was for steemians the most active in twitter to spread the truth about steem and to make people vote for witnesses. I don't want that to ge like that for nothing. Maybe we should say in the old chain and maybe other witnesses will win Justin. I don't really know. Being a minnow and a little guy in the game, I prefer to stay in both chains to support those who will stay.

17.03.2020 11:14
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Look forward to the new adventure! Thanks for keeping us all updated!

16.03.2020 18:55
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I'm in.

16.03.2020 18:56
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if you all think you can pull this off, i would be glad to post my shitty posts on this new blockchain :D

16.03.2020 18:56
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We'll be looking forward to them :-)

16.03.2020 19:19
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This is indeed well thought out and I am 100% onboard. I don't have a great many skills, but I do have a big mouth. Sadly this is the only logical way to move forward.

It will be hard. It will be scary, but when the going gets tough, the tough get going. Thank you @blockbrothers, @theycallmedan, @guiltyparties, @ats-david, @tuckfehman for leading the way. Also thank you my fellow Steemians. Where else in the cryptosphere can one find a community like ours?

We indeed are honey-badgers. Cute little critters with sharp teeth and claws!

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16.03.2020 18:56
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This is like a song to my ears. I will gladly migrate with the community without a second thought. Steem is blessed with a lot of resources, especially human resources. The community has become a family and I'm glad we have finally found a way to move on in the midst of thus imbroglio. Justin and his cohorts can choke on their stake.

16.03.2020 18:58
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Been waiting for this. Lets pack our shit and forget this loser ever bothered us.

16.03.2020 18:59
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This is exciting news! This fight has to end quickly or things can change for the community in a bad way. We don't know what other options are being discussed under the table.

We need to spread the voice about this and inform people about how is going to be done the airdrop or everyone is going to be powering down.

16.03.2020 19:02
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I'm in!

16.03.2020 19:02
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Same! ☺️

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16.03.2020 19:41
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see you on the other side

16.03.2020 19:42
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Very exciting stuff. Very exciting indeed!!

16.03.2020 19:03
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Hell yes. Screw cooperation with jsun. This is what the community has been waiting on for a few years now. @rachaeldwatson

16.03.2020 19:03
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Can't wait to be on the new chain.
Tbh enough of the drama from someone who lacks knowledge of working together/EGO satisfaction(J.Sun).
Hoping to see a chain of community and no dictators allowed out there!

16.03.2020 19:06
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Lets do it.
You go my support

16.03.2020 19:07
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I am fully behind this as the best way forward for our entire community, and will be more then happy to support the blockchain with Witness Servers and an api node if required.

16.03.2020 19:07
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I'm all for it.

What should we name our new blockchain and its coin?

So that we should also start designing a new logo for it. 😊

16.03.2020 19:08
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Hive is the chosen name.

17.03.2020 09:14
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Hmm, not a very good name in my opinion. But it seems everything has already been voted upon and decided off-chain. Seems so weird for a blockchain community ...but sadly, that's how it is!

17.03.2020 13:59
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You have my support 100%

16.03.2020 19:09
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I am on board.

When will the snapshot of the current chain be taken to airdrop the new tokens?

16.03.2020 19:10
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I ain't got nothing but a few hundred steem and a big mouth, but I'm IN!

I kept reluctantly holding out hope we'd come to an understanding with Justin, but, at least to me, he's made it crystal clear that he has no intention of working with us, and that he is untrustworthy. Give him a taste of his own medicine. Leave and set fire to whats left on the way out. Fork Justin Sun and the horse he rode in on.

Getting rid of Ned and now Justin will be a net positive for us. I'm more excited about this than I was about Steem in 2016!

16.03.2020 19:13
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Count me in. I will support the new chain.
Please explain more about the airdrop in the amount of current steem holdings.

16.03.2020 19:14
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Genereally speaking, the airdrop will be one-to-one on coin types. But full details will be available tomorrow.

16.03.2020 22:22
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I wonder how @blocktrades would he solve the problem of building value/demand for newly created and aidropped token.
If I will keep my steem and I will get some token for free
then this new token will initially be only "free money"

It’s actually much easier for us to launch a chain, because of the many lessons we’ve had operating the Steem blockchain.

How to create demand, which could remotely come close to huge supply of tokens that will be dumped left and right. PAL token should be a great lesson, that it's super hard to do.

16.03.2020 19:15
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You can't really compare the two, PAL and the new coin. PAL was only listed on Steem Engine and traded internally so you couldn't access it without a Steem account. The new token will be listed on external exchanges making it available to practically everybody.

This is more of a long term deal though. Better the new token than Steem under Sun who just wants to dump his entire holdings.

16.03.2020 19:49
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Indeed @deniskj. Those are "technical" differences.

However from economic point of view i also see more similarities than differences. After all what will stop everyone who will receive free aidrops (which means that they will have STEEM + new token) from dumping it the way they did with PAL?

How to bring value and create demand? After all supply will be huge. And the moment this new token will be listed - how to avoid situation where even 10% of aidrops will be dumped? What if 20-30% people would decide to dump both - their steem and new token, assuming that neither one or the other is worth holding to any more.

Demand need to be created somehow. I hope I'm making sense.

Yours, Piotr

17.03.2020 10:07
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Well put.

It is almost guaranteed people will dump the coin, I hear it is called Hive, as soon as they receive the airdrop. At least most of it will be locked up in Stake for the short term.

Eventually it is a question of whether you value what the Steem Blockchain offered and if you want to continue on that path but on a truly decentralized platform or if you are just here for the short term gains.

There is an opportunity here to become a dolphin on my part and support my own community of African bloggers and blockchain enthusiasts.

17.03.2020 10:23
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Amen to that!

I'm happier than a Mo'Forker right now!
Hells yeah!

16.03.2020 19:18
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🙌🏼🙌🏼

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16.03.2020 19:42
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I like this and we'll do everything we can to make things work the way we've always wanted them to

16.03.2020 19:18
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Sir, I got to say that was a good post. Finally something that brings me hope. These days hope is hard to come by with everything going around.

Almost 4 years on this blockchain can make anyone anxious, specially after last month. Good to see the game is still on! Just wondering how shall we name this new fork/blockchain.. SunEclipse? :)

16.03.2020 19:18
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I am IN! I've been planning on doing a crowdfund for my short film with IndieGoGo AND Steem, and now all of my plans are up in the air. Justin is actively throwing the chain into chaos on purpose, so how can I trust this ecosystem with my film? I am so bummed by this. Maybe I continue forward with Steem for now and then migrate everything over when this happens.

Speaking of, what is your timeline? I'd like to know, seeing as my film is partially dependent on this ecosystem.

Thanks for the heads up!

16.03.2020 19:21
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Timeline is very soon (ASAP).

16.03.2020 20:12
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Excellent! Looking forward to the transition.

16.03.2020 20:13
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About forking time amigos
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16.03.2020 19:21
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Nice fork! Take a !BEER

17.03.2020 01:25
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View or trade BEER.


Hey @shookriya, here is a little bit of BEER from @manniman for you. Enjoy it!

Learn how to earn FREE BEER each day by staking.

17.03.2020 01:25
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lol

17.03.2020 02:24
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I am with this 100%. As I said in a post I made soon after this whole mess started, I will support a community-supported blockchain with my dev skills. I have been working on some stuff and I can't wait to share it on the new chain.

We have the advantage of distributed collaboration and it's innovation far outpaces and outweighs that of a single company with warped intentions.

16.03.2020 19:21
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A new and improved chain sounds good

16.03.2020 19:22
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Finally, a concrete plan of whats going to happen to this blockchain. Good opportunity to rebrand and move away from the "Steem" name. What's the timeline for this? Any chance for Justin to hijack this move with some evil plans? You know he is really good at it.

16.03.2020 19:23
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Wow! This is epic stuff! I'm just a little peon content creator, so I'm really just along for the ride. I've invested very hard-earned money in this blockchain, and I've spent hundreds of hours typing up posts, and I've got maybe $250 worth of STEEM at the moment. I can't think of any other job I've ever had that paid so poorly but that I didn't quit. I love this place and hope we can keep it together or moving forward somewhere else in some new form. !giphy hope

16.03.2020 19:24
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giphy is supported by witness untersatz!

16.03.2020 19:24
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Good. Can't wait! See you all on the other side.

16.03.2020 19:24
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Great @blocktrades , let's do it. Let's build a better chain. Let's show that no one can buy our community. The new chain will worth much more without steemit. Most of steemians will just participate in the airdrops and sell everything to let Justin alone with his bots here. lol

16.03.2020 19:25
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Hey Alex, have a !BEER

17.03.2020 00:46
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View or trade BEER.


Hey @clixmoney, here is a little bit of BEER from @manniman for you. Enjoy it!

Learn how to earn FREE BEER each day by staking.

17.03.2020 00:46
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i support you 100%

16.03.2020 19:25
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I support this move 100%

16.03.2020 19:27
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Let’s go and make some improvements to governance along the way. I’m with you.

16.03.2020 19:28
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Glad to see this kind of news! Justin doesn't care about the project at all.

I’m wondering how dapps can work on two chains simultaneously if they can’t decide where to migrate.

16.03.2020 19:29
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I think most will simply migrate to Hive. But some can exist on both if they want to. I just don't see the old Steem lasting very long without the community.

16.03.2020 21:27
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Can I change my recovery account to @blocktrades or should I find someone else?

16.03.2020 19:30
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Find someone who knows you personally. The recovery mechanism is all about trust. You should be able to prove that "you are you" when it comes to recovery.

16.03.2020 19:36
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Good advice. This is how I was going to do it I just wanted to know if @blocktrades was going to provide this service... truth be told maybe I shouldn't be so willing to link my phone number and email to my Steem account on a centralized database.

16.03.2020 19:39
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You could always trust yourself by setting one of your alts as recovery.

It is about having control of your own money, after all.

16.03.2020 19:45
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It is sad that it comes to this, but Justin does not seem interested in compromise. Let him have the Steemit brand and we will get on with changing the world. I trust the community witnesses far more than him. They have shown they know what they are doing and that they care about the platform. Despite what some people allege most of them have not been making a profit.

I really don't care if my tokens lose some value for a while as long as we can keep something going. Steem still has great potential, but Justin did not seem to care about that.

All hail the New Steem!

16.03.2020 19:33
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woohoo!

16.03.2020 21:49
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100% Behind this move. Can't wait to finally see the 500 pound gorilla (steemit inc) out of the picture. I'm sure Sun and Ned can work out their problems privately.

16.03.2020 19:33
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Oh I'm sure they've already done A LOT in private 🤣

16.03.2020 20:13
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That's why they seems very happy, they have private meetings every single day. lol Did you see Ned changed his logo in twitter after he sold everything. lol He seems selling something else as well. lol

16.03.2020 21:32
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I'm locked out of my regular twitter today, so I haven't been checking as much :)

Will be so relieved when this nightmare is behind us all... It happened quickly so hopefully it can be forgotten quickly too! :D

16.03.2020 23:03
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it'd be interesting to know
what's gonna happen with tokens like STEM, PAL, ENG, CCC etc.?
is there gonna be the airdrop as well?

16.03.2020 19:34
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@alexbiojs those tokens work on a side chain, they can be moved to the new chain easily.

16.03.2020 20:15
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thank you, didn't know that. that's great news )

16.03.2020 20:36
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I can't wait to see the new site 👍🏾 🤝

16.03.2020 19:34
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@blocktrades, could you tell us what we have to do in order to receive the new tokens and to become part of the new chain?

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16.03.2020 19:36
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More details to come, apparently.

16.03.2020 19:47
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Fantastic!!

16.03.2020 19:38
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Very cunning people who are trying to bring down Steemit Inc

We will mostly support what you have planned, pay for Justin and reclaim Steem's throne

16.03.2020 19:39
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That is great news, I'm in! 😎👍

16.03.2020 19:40
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Ohh really? After the new chain is up I will invest more. It's not much but I see this chain as a 10 year investment fund. I surly hope that it would be safeguarded for this kind of things.. I will also hold the promise if I win the lottery I will invest a little part 1 million in the chain. I would have bought the stake of justin to save steem with it but I didn't win yet... 😉 it is also a promise of a year ago. I don't have a pension build up yet and I'm almost 50... now with that corona virus... working in construction instead of it... lost all my funds in bitconnect if all worth just will be taken over... then it would be a promising chain. Maybe the first open-source chain build and maintained by the community.

16.03.2020 19:43
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Thank you, it sounds like you actually have a plan and are working toward its goal. I have seen a lot of dreams of plans, a lot of ideas of action, but it seems you actually have a plan. Take the time to do it right, one of the things that I have loved about Steem Block Chain is the world wide reach of the block chain. I hope we can keep that feel in a your new chain plans, I would miss looking at and commenting on post form people all over the world. No Sorry not available in your area warning messages. No governmental blocks of regions of the world posting.

16.03.2020 19:43
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Implement a referral program and lets launch this bad boy! If done so correctly, getting 10k people on board in a week or two would be easy!

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16.03.2020 19:44
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100% onboard

16.03.2020 19:46
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This is highly commendable and it is very obvious that the community is ready to key into the new strategy.

This indeed made my day. I am all in. More Grace and wisdom as you embark on this Worthy course.

16.03.2020 19:46
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The best news I have heard all day, time to cancel my power-down. I was waiting for this, thanks @blocktrades!

16.03.2020 19:47
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No need. Since you will get everything 1:1 SP,STEEM,SBD
Just wait for the details tomorrow

17.03.2020 01:10
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All I care about is a censorship resistant platform and with Justin trying to take full control it's not going to happen here. So I'm all on board for the new chain, let's do it right this time.

16.03.2020 19:51
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Hell yeah!!! I'll smoke to that.

16.03.2020 19:52
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Brilliant! I'm all for this! (for what it's worth)

The ninja stake will soon become zombie stake in Sun's grimy, sleazy authoritarian (tiny) hands!

Just this afternoon I was getting fed up with some of these fake Steem users:

The worst part #SteemHostileTakeOver is all the smug & deluded fence-sitters who still want to prioritize negotiations & look down on those who ardently oppose Sun's scorched earth policies.
Y'all are human versions of sock puppets, playing right into that clown's hands!

16.03.2020 19:53
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16.03.2020 19:55
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  • no compromises
  • yes for the new chain
  • let's show Justin what does the word Community means
  • we are fed up with all what has been around because of @ned

Thanks for your post.

16.03.2020 19:58
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We are in support of this, and will advise our Partner Builders as well!

Why the Blocktrades STEEM fork is a good thing

16.03.2020 20:04
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Блін, тільки почав розбиратись зі стімом, а тут рейдерське захоплення, ще й розкол назріває.

16.03.2020 20:06
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Justin will just move his stake into exchanges and benefit from our fork as well.

I really don't see any other solution than either forking anytime soon or set a snapshot date before Steemit's funds are moved away.

16.03.2020 20:12
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how will he benefit from our fork?

16.03.2020 20:14
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As far as i understood, Steemit's stake won't be migrated to the new chain. Just imagine what happens if Steemit will power down today and move funds away into exchanges. Exchanges will honor their customers when a fork happens.

Other option for Justin "washing" his Steem tokens when sending them into exchanges and back into anonymous accounts, which will benefit from a fork as well. Just saying...

16.03.2020 20:20
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Well yes, he can powerdown now, but it will be 13 weeks before he can sell all of that powered down stake (it is converted in 13 weekly intervals), and by the sound of it (assuming it happens) the new chain would be active before that.

Ps. please read this post i just made: https://steempeak.com/publish?edit=atma.love%2Freclaiming-our-sovereignty-during-these-chaotic-times
And i dont think he would re-buy more Steem. It seems he just wants his money back. Who knows what will happen .....

I know nothing! :-)

16.03.2020 20:26
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The majority of his Steem is powered up in @steemit, @misterdelegation, etc. He will not be able to power very much down in time. Sure, he will get some tokens, but not nearly the massive piece he has here.

And knowing how @blocktrades and the players involved here move, they would not have announced this without being very close to being able to deploy thenetwork.

Also remember that when he does receive power downs, that will decrease the SP voting for his sock puppets, which could result in a reversion to 22.2 that locks his funds..

16.03.2020 20:29
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These guy don't fuck around. Well done.

18.03.2020 08:58
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You’re assuming a lot of things happening on a slow timeline. Maybe Justin won’t have a chance to move his tokens to exchanges before the snapshot. It might already be too late.

16.03.2020 20:30
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As of right now, power down takes 13 weeks. Even if they vote the consensus witnesses out and get 17 sock puppets, thats going to take a day or two. Even with instant power-down, the price will nothing but dust.

16.03.2020 22:51
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다운보팅이 취미니?
하지마라

18.03.2020 09:22
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So should STEEM on the exchanges be also excluded from the snapshot?

16.03.2020 20:26
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No, that tokens belong to users, not exchanges.

16.03.2020 22:05
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Is it not possible to set a snapshot date as of, say, yesterday?

16.03.2020 21:09
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From a technical standpoint this should be possible, so yes!

16.03.2020 22:13
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Then you get double spends. Anyone who knows the snapshot is passed, can sell their tokens without losing them on the new/sister chain.

17.03.2020 02:29
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That will happen anyways when the snapshot date passes, no?

17.03.2020 16:13
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Yes, but then the buyer knows they're only getting Steem OR Hive.
If I know the snapshot was yesterday, and you assume its tomorrow, I can sell you postfork Steem (no hive drop), as prefork Steem. You buy expecting to get both after the fork, and get disappointed since its not steem you were holding before the snapshot.
Happily this won't be an issue as they've announced the snapshot and fork will be simultaneous, which is definitely best :)

18.03.2020 00:59
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Saw that they will be excluding accounts beyond just the steemit.inc accounts. That doesn't seem like a good way to start things out.

18.03.2020 02:35
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13 weeks power down won't allow him. If he powers down, his sock puppets will be gone. So it is a double edged sword.

17.03.2020 15:33
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다운보팅 하지마라

18.03.2020 09:10
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I can't believe what I am reading. What I mean is that I can't believe that it's come to this. Everything seemed to be fine just a month ago. If only Justin focused on Tron & had not invaded other projects.

16.03.2020 20:12
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I believe it will be a big win for the community after all. A lot of good PR was made during the last weeks after the hostile takeover.

16.03.2020 20:54
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I just had goosebumps. Hoping that the new chain will honor the true value of DPOS. And all the bottlenecks of this chain will be no more.

16.03.2020 20:12
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Uh, yes! You're right!

17.03.2020 01:24
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Please provide those of your fellow Steemians, who are not involved "behind the curtain" with as much info as we need, at your earliest opportunity.

For example, we need precise details on what you want us to do with our current Steem blockchain tokens / holdings. Power-down?

Thank you, in advance, for your response and how well vital and timely communication is handled.

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16.03.2020 20:14
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There'll be an official post tomorrow with full details about airdrop and timing. This post is more my personal reasons why I feel it's necessary.

17.03.2020 00:29
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Very good @blocktrades. I appreciate you investing your time to respond. That means something to me. I also appreciate how you have laid out for us your perspective in this post, on why this decision to start over was necessary.

On this ...

"There'll be an official post tomorrow with full details about airdrop and timing."

... since it is my understanding that Dan Larimer is the one behind this account, I sure hope we read in tomorrow's post what lessons have been learned over the past 4 years, on the Steem blockchain.

And what, as a result, will be done to prevent these mistakes from being repeated. Trust has been damaged. It will take a very intentional and well-conceived plan moving forward to restore it.

17.03.2020 00:49
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I'm a different Dan, Dan Notestein, no relation except that we worked together on cryptocurrency projects for a few years. I stopped mostly because of that damaged trust you talked about.

I consider people's trust one of the most valuable things a person can have, and I try my best to act in a honorable way that will not lose it. Indeed, one of my own ideas for future technology is to build a system that lets people trust each other more, and punishes deception. Too often I see people abuse the trust of others, but trust is also essential in many cases to effective cooperation.

17.03.2020 02:31
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Excellent news! Very glad to receive this word of encouragement @blocktrades / Dan. And thank you for the clarification of who you are.

You have a lot of influence on ensuring we get Hive off to a much, much better start than Steem had (from all I have read about it). As you work through the coming days and weeks, you may wish to consider the "silent majority" of your fellow Steemians who will be rooting for you to "exceed expectations" in your efforts to bring your vision to life and rekindle some hope again about what is possible, as you take concrete steps to restore trust.


P.S. Not to be presumptuous, but given what you have said here, perhaps we are like-minded more than I might have had reason to hope. One of my first posts was on "The Essential Foundation for Good Business" in which trust and good communication feature prominently.

17.03.2020 03:01
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I am sure you guys know that any details put forth will give more time for JS' side to react and to contemplate counteractions etc.

A sandbox simulation prior to public announcement should be done in advance.

BTW, thanks for leading the community!

17.03.2020 06:15
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Hello, I would like to purchase your Engine-Miner (EM) of Steem-Engine. I have placed buy orders. Thank you.

15.06.2020 19:32
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ok GO

16.03.2020 20:15
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i look forward to next steps... be it here, or on the forked chain

16.03.2020 20:16
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Great post with a clear vision. We‘re involved in setting up a new exchange. I’ll put the new coin on our proposal list as sonn as everything is in place.

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16.03.2020 20:16
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Go, go, go!
I'm in!
What do I need to do with my steem and steempower?
So many questions ... and I have no clue ...

16.03.2020 20:18
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There's nothing special you have to do now, but full details will be published tomorrow about the Hive airdrop.

17.03.2020 00:29
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Does this mean the old witnesses that are in the top 20 will just stop mining for Steem and quit their places as top witnesses, I guess all other witnesses who agree with this will also stop mining for Steem? I mean why waste your hardware on a coin or token of which you will no longer be a part of. So then JSun will be able to do whatever he wants to do with Steem.

16.03.2020 20:19
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Yup.

16.03.2020 22:46
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I can't speak for everyone, but I suspect that will be the case. But I doubt he'll be able to do "whatever he wants", when he's dealing with a token whose price will likely be in freefall. Since what he will want to do is dump those tokens at a decent price, and that's probably not going to be possible.

17.03.2020 00:31
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We have more developers committing to work on this new chain than we’ve ever had before.

And we don’t just have devs, we have marketing people, business people, artists, and idealists. Our combined efforts can do far more than a narrow-minded, profit-driven Steemit ever dreamed possible.

Amazing to hear news like this in these challenging times.

I am starting to feel more and more positive again. Can't help but feel that we hit rock bottom and are crawling up towards daylight again.

2020 can only get better. There's true power in community.

Thank you for your information and encouraging words as well as all the work you've been doing. Much appreciated!

16.03.2020 20:19
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soon as word comes down, I will spread it to the many discords for Photography content creators. I am an admin in most and will drop info in all!

@blocktrades

16.03.2020 20:20
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Not everyone on Steem may stick with us...

Its very simple... 1. Is @steeempeak coming wth us?

  1. Is @theycallmedan coming with us?
  2. Is @anyx comming?4. Is @ocd and @acidyo?5. Is @splnterlands coming? (Justin can take @aggroed but dont you take Splinterlands away from me! e! :) )
  3. Is @dt and @heimindanger with his: "Whoops, i should have probably thought it through before i tweeted it.it." ;)
  4. And at No7... Is @niesanders crazy ass coming? Steem is not Steem without Bernie.

Marty with his cringy memes was right. Steem is us. So do something.

Im not a witness, i dont get payed to run nodes. Im not a highly payed creator. Im not a big investor.
But ive been spreading our plight on twitter where ever i can.

I dont make calls. But you do.

Make a decision.

16.03.2020 20:20
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But I've been spreading our plight on twitter where ever I can.... Amen!

16.03.2020 20:36
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I've already downvoted that farce post. I do not support a fork. @blocktrades is not even a trustable entity to set something like this up. The only exchange that will list this token is blocktrades itself.

On another note, the author of this post keeps talking in the name 'The community', when he actually doesn't represent the community as a whole. This is known as populism, and in this case it's borderline fascism.

16.03.2020 21:53
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If there is an airdrop would you opt-out of it on the new chain?

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16.03.2020 22:18
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If you see a 1$ bill on the floor, wouldn't you pick it up?

16.03.2020 22:21
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Not if I thought that $1 was shit. But instead you imply the new chain will have real value and you will want to be a part of it. Gotcha.

16.03.2020 22:26
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16.03.2020 23:48
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Could you stop being a dick, man.... Who is it youre rebelling against?
At least these guys acknowledged a common goal despite disliking each other.
Ats is being an asshole with that comment but youre like that youtube channel: "I hate everything."

17.03.2020 00:19
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There's nothing to like in what's happening on steem currently. There are no good options for this community. If you think this fork will improve things then I suggest taking more magic mushrooms. I know these people for longer than you. I am not corrupted and I always speak my mind. You know I'm a logical person with reasoning abilities. Why do you trust them? Why do you play their game?

I've lost a 2M delegation for @dtube, most of the comments I've received about it from steemians is 'eh, see I told you your app was shit'. Now they fork the chain and telling me in comments that they will also null @dtube's stake on the fork. And you wonder why I'm being a dick? I'm building shit, while they talking and manipulating, and yet real legit users like you take their side. Stop being a fucking mule and use your brain for once you mongoloid

17.03.2020 00:28
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use your brain for once you mongoloid‚

That was good, ill give you that. 😂

So youre irritated by those that dont appreciate your work? Welcome to crypto.
Where no one is your friend and everyone wants to shit on your token and what ever effort you might put into anything.

they will also null @dtube's stake on the fork.

Who said that? lol. Im all for Koreans being forked out, which will most likely (understandably) not happen, but someone forking one of the biggest dapps on Steem is ludicrous. The likelihood of that happening is about 0.

17.03.2020 00:39
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I don't give a shit about people who criticize my product, if at least they test it and give constructive criticism. Not their case. They unhappy because DTC is on it's own blockchain, and they won't earn any of it passively from running the same old broken code dan larimer wrote in 2015. They refuse to understand why I'm doing that, because they are 'maximalists'.

Taking Ned/Justin's stake was just the first step to a long slippery slope. Taking Koreans money is the next step, taking money of dapps not supporting a fork will be another one they will gladly take.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

17.03.2020 00:47
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First they came ...
"First they came ..." is the poetic form of a prose post-war confession first made in German in 1946 by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals and certain clergy (including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself) following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt, repentance, and responsibility.

17.03.2020 00:47
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So youre staying with Justin? Thats really the only thing i need to know.
Dtube, the only truly decentralized dapp on Steem will hang around with a dictator that has absolute control of the chain?

I find that hard to believe. It would be a in complete contrast to everything Dtube stands for.

17.03.2020 17:17
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null @dtube? Do you really believe that?

17.03.2020 01:05
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i want to hear what is your solution for this? even a blind man can see that justin is doing what he planned from the beginning and he does not give a fuck. new Roy plays lost man that has no idea what is going on and just speaking about win-win ("i don't know why is he doing that, i will go talk to him, but i want a win-win is all he knows how to say). So if this continues, in few weeks we will have a justin sun version of steem and in few months when he finds devs steemit will migrate to tron. he will do it even if there is no one here, just to be able to announce it. So what is your take on the solution?

17.03.2020 02:38
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Putting STEEM inside TRON is literally like trying to put a square in a circle. It won't happen, it's propaganda. Recoding steem's social mechanisms in a solidity smart contract would be heavy work, and probably would already have been done on EOS or ETH years ago if it was 'that easy'.

I don't think Justin Sun wants that, he just purchased some cheap tokens from Ned (probably for less than the market price at the time), and wants to put it inside his market making bots because that's what he does.

I wish there was a way to compromise and put STEEM on the right tracks, but it seems there is none. My full opinion about the recent events is in my latest blog post (which got downvoted to <0$ by the witnesses) : https://steempeak.com/hive-111111/@heimindanger/how-to-fuck-a-dpos-blockchain

17.03.2020 13:07
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i was also thinking that compromise is the best, but not one word he said was true. literally nothing he said was true. and now you say his initial campaign was not possible, and the thing he said to the community would be heavy work and we see that he is ignorant about that.
And your solution is to abandoned everything and just buy BTC? i can't see how that is helping anyone on steem.

17.03.2020 14:26
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Fascism... Thats waaaay out of question, not even remotely associated to this situation.
Populism, sure, i can see that. In situations like this pandering to popular opinion is more then appropriate. Its actually the only time it is appropriate.
Determining a definitive feel of the pulse of the community before making a major decision on a platform that lacks democratic decision making, while you know major stakeholder opinions.

16.03.2020 22:28
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Sounds like somebody is afraid of completely losing their delegation. Maybe you could try making a better product that people actually want to use and support instead of milking STINC’s ninja-mined stake, which you’ve had for what, two years now? And the results have been what - “Steem sucks and we’re making our own token.” ???

And you criticize Blocktrades for actually providing services and development for the community while you’re doing what - begging Justin for delegations for your sub-par project?

You’re pathetic, bro. It’s one thing to be a useless twat and a drain on the rewards pool. It’s another thing to bash someone who actually provides tangible services and value.

And in case you haven’t noticed, what Blocktrades is offering the community here is the very thing that you and Justin Sun are failing to provide: viable options for users and investors of this blockchain.

Grow up already. The whining and crying game is overplayed. And if you think Dtube has a future with Tron, you’re delusional. At some point, you’re going to have to sleep in the burning bed that you’re making.

16.03.2020 22:34
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I've "drained" barely anything compared to the author of the root post here.

Should I go dig old posts where he was clearly linked with SteemIt Inc and profited most likely as much as Ned/SteemIt did?

But sure, refuse to ignore what I'm building and keep calling it a sub-par project, that's your opinion and your opinion alone.

16.03.2020 22:49
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And keep getting brain-washed by greedy hypocrites !

16.03.2020 22:50
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[7:23 AM] heimindanger: atm I need steem purely for the rewards

17.03.2020 00:31
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That seems a bit extreme to me. No one person represents the entire community, but it is true blocktrades has had many different conversations with many of the community and as the comments here already show, there are plenty of people in the community (including high-ranking witnesses who have the trust of token holders) that do support this effort.

If blocktrades and those who support this effort do get additional exchanges beyond just blocktrades, will you take back your statement here?

Launching a new chain when the current one is being sybil attacked with the very stake promised to support the community is a far cry from "fascism" IMO.

16.03.2020 22:41
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You're one of the only ones with a bit of decency. Do you see how others in this 'community bandwaggon' are behaving? Do you want to be part of that? I don't.

JS has been playing by the old adage 'divide and conquer'. Look at how I'm treated in comments for taking a neutral position and refusing to instantly show support, move dtube to another coin, and fuck justin sun. Your bandwaggon of brainless monkeys are too blinded by their free rewards addiction to even notice that.

Talk to you on a better blockchain in the future, STEEM ON @lukestokes.

16.03.2020 23:09
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If you want to be treated with decency, maybe start by not calling people a "bandwaggon of brainless monkeys" (or claiming they are mine). There is definitely a group of people that, IMO, don't treat others with respect, but maybe they feel they are just responding in kind.

I remember in the very early days running a IPFS server to help when you were first testing out DTube. I remember using it, working through the bugs, trying to help test things and bring about improvements with suggestions. I think projects like DTube are important for Steem, but I think some are frustrated to see people supporting Justin and Tron even after they attack Steem and continually go back on their word again and again. A neutral position is one thing, but at some point it seems like playing both sides, even if it screws the community.

17.03.2020 01:39
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Dtube would be fucking awesome if we could change things up so videos could be rewarded for a longer period of time, even indefinitely, most youtube videos don't get the majority of their hits in a week. This new chain could be the place where the kinks get worked out. Just my possibly over optimistic opinion.

17.03.2020 06:46
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Are you aware that this is the case for DTC (our new chain + token coming out in May) ? Just try it, make a d.tube account and vote on some 1 month old video...

Videos don't have a 7 day limit anymore for rewards. This is one of the reason why we created a customized chain for DTube, and that's the reason why they downvoting anything I post on steem in the last 6 months.

17.03.2020 12:48
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"They" being a handful of people, yes? I've been on downvote bots before also. I get it. It sucks. I can also understand why people would be frustrated with someone moving to a new chain, and, from the perspective, abandoning Steem after this community has tried to promote DTube all this time. Maybe there were other solutions that could have been worked out (and maybe can be now on a new chain not limited by Steemit, inc) to ensure longer payouts on evergreen content.

Maybe a separate rewards pool could take some inflation and only pay it out over a long period of time (6 months, 1 year, etc) and a poster could choose which bucket they wanted to be rewarded with. Or maybe an SMT is the way to go.

17.03.2020 21:12
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Infinite monetization is only one of the reasons why I need dtube to have it's own blockchain. Everything is explained in this article.

I understand why the steem maximalists act the way they do against me. They are big stake-holders that want their tokens to increase in value, not drain away. It just proves they don't care about the tech or the decentralization. All they care about is the numbers in their wallets...

17.03.2020 21:24
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Understood. Unfortunately many in the space only think about numbers in their wallets.

Thanks for sharing that detailed post. I understand the need to innovate and evolve and you made a lot of good points there for what you want to accomplish.

18.03.2020 01:59
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Dude can you tell bernie sanders to stop kicking me from the hive discord? I didn't say any bad word, I was just talking about how he mined his stake in 2016. Can you tell him it's not how decentralization works and that I'm also a stake holder of HIVE?

18.03.2020 02:00
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Downvoted because you don't even participate in the voting process of consensus witnesses. You got your bribe. Go to TRON with DLive. Nobody is buying your shit-token anyway.

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Meh! Have a nice week and remember to wash your hands!

16.03.2020 22:49
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Barely anyone here is as deep into this game as you are and so most people can't understand your point of view. Don't let them offend you, it's not worth the nerves. You have all the right to stand your own ground.

D.Tube could work with STEEM and HIVE at the same time after all, while still utilizing the full potential of the DTC. So you don't have to make any bets and people also not try to push you around here @lordbutterly .

I think we should wait for the other real witnesses to stand up and talk about the HIVE fork, while also take actions to further unite the free STEEMians of the world. If the lower-ranked STEEMians would be as united as this post suggests, the ninja stake would not be a topic of posts anymore for a very, very long time already. But that last part is only my humble opinion.

17.03.2020 02:24
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@heimindanger you seem to be having some sort of mental distress. Should we be concerned for your well-being? Are you a danger to yourself or others?

Please reach out to those that can help you in this apparent time of need and seek professional help if that is what will aid you towards recovery.

Cheers and please get well soon.

17.03.2020 10:59
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I'm fine. Thanks for your concerns.

17.03.2020 12:44
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Good to hear.

17.03.2020 12:49
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You better believe I'll be there.

17.03.2020 00:26
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Prove it! 😆

17.03.2020 10:55
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Yes.

17.03.2020 00:29
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what will be with tokens are frozen on binance? If some steem holder have there coins there, will this holder be able to get the value in airdrop too?

16.03.2020 20:24
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It will be up to Binance if they will agree to honor the airdrop by taking a snapshot of their user balances.

16.03.2020 22:32
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I'm 100% dedicated to building our new home.
Steem is not a place, it's not even a name.

https://steem.blog

Fear not, stay clam, we are here for you.
We will keep you informed.

16.03.2020 20:26
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Always clam... ;O)

16.03.2020 22:09
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Looking for the clam after the storm.

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17.03.2020 02:25
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Lol!

17.03.2020 07:18
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17.03.2020 09:00
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Just do not HODL on exchanges. :-)

17.03.2020 09:22
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That. Yes. Exactly. LOL

17.03.2020 09:23
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Let's GO!

16.03.2020 20:27
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I may not be able to help with code; but I am happy to bring my creative/literary efforts to the new chain and also be involved in the process of finding out what we are truly capable of as a community without being shackled by all the limitations we have now. Cheers! I've been waiting for this kind of announcement...

16.03.2020 20:27
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fork it ASAP. good move.

16.03.2020 20:27
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A brilliant move! As a big investor in Steem, not only for ROI but also to support the dezentralized governance process I hope we'll get out of this dilemma soon.

Every crisis also means a new opportunity!

The steem community now has the chance to step into the footsteps of Bitcoin in terms of a self-determined life, like 7 years ago when I invested in Bitcoin. Andreas Antonopoulos once said

"First, they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you
and then you win"

We are about to make history!!!
The Steem community can now prove that they'll laid the foundation for a sustainable system of government through decentralization.

Keep up the good work. You are a great inspiration for me, also with regard to my vision of Protopolis, which I can soon bring to life with my own community.

16.03.2020 20:28
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Hey this is stellar news! I'm a wee little minnow but I'm very creative. I create interesting animations, videos and stylistic cyber-futuristic illustrations. I would love to help in anyway to the team and community. Whether it be animation, video as info-promos or a fresh vibe graphics vibe for new blockchain splash page or coin graphics. Kudos everyone!

16.03.2020 20:28
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How nice this is! I can't wait for this to happen, even if I'm not the hardcore Steemian that some other are, still I feel connected to this community. I trust that this will all turn out well, and I'm prout of what we did against the #SteemHostileTakeOver

16.03.2020 20:30
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I join this great crew by supporting them 100% with the new blockchain! And that way we'll be creating a new victory and checkmate Justin's move. I pledge to continue to support this great crusade. Thank you @blockbrothers , @ausbitbank , @theycallmedan , @guiltyparties , @ats-david , @tuckfehman for leading and doing everything possible to save what you and the little ones like me love

16.03.2020 20:31
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16.03.2020 20:32
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What about exchange listings?

Elephant in the room.

16.03.2020 20:35
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Yes! Ever since shit went down, I've been waiting for something like this to happen. 🙂

Before long, we will launch a new coin that is essentially a re-branded hardfork of Steem, airdropped on all Steemians, without airdropping to the Steemit stake. This new chain will maintain all our collected posts and our transaction info and will support all the same Dapps we’ve come to know and love.

"Airdropped on all Steemians, maintaining all our posts and transaction info..."

I'm curious. Sorry, I've also just woken up so I might be a bit early-morning-dumb. Does that mean that all of our posts and such will be transferred over?

Transaction info -- does that mean the steem/sp we currently have in our wallets, will be reflected on the new chain with the new coin?

Cheers! 🍺

16.03.2020 20:37
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Yes. Posts will be kept, and wallet holdings identical

16.03.2020 22:16
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Wonderful! Thank you. 😊

16.03.2020 23:26
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The new sister-chain will have the same history, right up until the snapshot, timing TBA. Nothing needs to be transferred.

16.03.2020 23:13
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Perhaps 'transferred' was the wrong word to use, but it's great news!! 😃

16.03.2020 23:25
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Yes indeed. Just what I've been hoping for.

16.03.2020 23:29
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Steemskate community will also be migrating to the new chain.
We skate for decentralization.
100% in.

16.03.2020 20:37
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Certainty of death. Small chance of success.

What are we waiting for?

16.03.2020 20:38
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We fully support this initiative and we are looking forward to help re-building and re-grouping the spanish speaking community into this, our new home.

Apoyamos totalmente está iniciativa y esperamos poder ayudar a re-construir y re-agrupar a la comunidad hispanohablante en esta nueva cadena.

16.03.2020 20:41
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@cervantes, please then fully support this (with upvotes) so the Spanish STEEM community knows what actually is going on:

Por que yo no pactare con Justin Sun (1 de 2) - @blocktrades
Por que yo no pactare con Justin Sun (2 de 2) - @blocktrades

PS: Anyways by payment time STEEM price will go REKT but visibility is needed now.

16.03.2020 23:39
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

26.03.2020 16:57
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Lets goooo 😁 after many days this is a really good news😊

16.03.2020 20:43
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I'm in.

16.03.2020 20:43
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This is all great news. I'm happy to support the new chain with both content and marketing help. I retired from business consulting a couple years ago, but still have a decent network out there.

16.03.2020 20:44
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Has there been any talks you've participated in about creating a fiat to coin/token gateway that bypasses normal exchanges? I know many prefer to avoid that (your exchange is a good example), but if an independent method of cashing in/out separate from exchanges were to be offered, it would be groundbreaking. I (and many others) distrust exchanges, and having to do multiple trades once one has KYC (for those of us whose governments view us a children needing permission slips and monitoring) has always been a deterrent to the masses Dan envisioned when he sculpted this chain.

Will be curious to read of further developments, and thanks for any clarification you may give on my question.

16.03.2020 20:44
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Hive is such a more marketable name than Steem. Everybody always thinks that I’m talking about PC games on Steam when I bring up Steem to a non-crypto person. I still will never get the original name choice. I would love to hear the reason behind choosing a name that was already familiar for something else (just with different spelling).

16.03.2020 20:45
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This is a HUGE POINT that those outside the gaming community does not understand.

16.03.2020 22:38
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The gaming community is gigantic, so this is a common confusion. Will be nice to branch out to a new/more marketable name.

16.03.2020 22:48
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I am in! 😍😍

16.03.2020 20:45
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I agree. There's no value without the community and Justin Sun never tried to get that on his side. I don't mind if he wants to pump and dump tokens, he should just go and do it somewhere else.

16.03.2020 20:47
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I see a lot of potential in a new chain without Ned, Justin Sun, and the Ninja Mine holding us back. It is clear by Justin Sun's actions (and inaction) he doesn't care about Steem and only wants to be able to dump the bag Ned sold him.

We have the opportunity to build something without a dictator hands around our neck.

Steem has had more marketing in the last few weeks than we have had in the last 4 years. Not for the reasons any of us would have wanted. The Ninja Mine has always been an issue for investors. In the past, we have been very lucky that Steemit Inc has honored their promises and did not vote witnesses and used the Ninja Mine for infrastructure, development, marketing, onboarding. Two out of four is better than zero out of four I guess. Most of us were fairly confident that Steemit Inc wasn't going to vote someone's post or vote in their own witnesses or influence governance. That confidence is all gone under the new regime.

While I would prefer to see Steem become the best blockchain and #1 on CoinMarketCap, my faith in that happening has been lost.

16.03.2020 20:51
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You Content-Nazi and Bamboo-Spear Commie ManSlaughterers @themarkymark and @gtg, @spaminator=@mack-bot=@patrice etc should also disappear for the new chain HIVE to succeed.

17.03.2020 05:09
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I actually never threw a bamboo spear in my life, in fact never any spear. Although I did track and was a javelin thrower, it's similar but made out of metal. That was a long time ago, not sure why you would bring that up now.

17.03.2020 06:14
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Downvote in Steem is very similar to bamboo-spear in real world.

Now do you understand why you @themarkymark is notorious content-Nazi or bamboo-spearer ?

--

Javelin is for throwing, bamboo-spear is for piercing.
They are different not only in material but also in general usage.

17.03.2020 18:43
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Yet you downvote plenty with all your accounts...

17.03.2020 18:52
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Just revenge to the manslaughterers like you @themarkymark.

17.03.2020 20:09
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Uh huh.

17.03.2020 20:45
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Steem without Steemit? Sounds like a project I like to do.

Let's see, maybe we(parts of the german community) will provide an API node.

16.03.2020 20:52
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Finally, things are going to move. Enough of this stalemate.

100% behind the whole idea. Let's fork first, stabilize the new chain, get some listings, and then discuss and implement new stuff. By consensus and with community governance.

A stupid question when I may?

Will Steem based assets, currently locked at exchanges, be airdropped too? Some exchanges might just not do it. Poloniex, for example.

Hive on 😀👍

Heck, I just might set up a witness node myself. Finally. Especially when your hint about lighter setup turns out to be real.

16.03.2020 20:52
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We will ask the exchanges if they will honor the airdrop to their customers by taking a snapshot at the airdrop time. For the ones that don't agree to that, they won't be airdropped and customers will have to withdraw their Steem from those exchanges to receive the airdrop.

16.03.2020 22:29
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Thanks a lot for the answer. It shows too how serious and dedicated to the whole idea you are. An idea which will become a reality shortly and swiftly, I hope.

Time to buy and power up some Steem :)

!BEER

16.03.2020 22:53
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You don't need to power up.

17.03.2020 04:48
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You might be right :)

I hesitated while typing the sentence above and added and power up later. Powering up is meant as a gesture of support. My tiny contribution won't change the big picture, of course.

On the other hand, powering down Steem to get rid of it will be a nuisance, Plus it won't be worth much when the big dump starts.

What do you intend to do?

!BEER

17.03.2020 09:26
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View or trade BEER.


Hey @oldtimer, here is a little bit of BEER from @ervin-lemark for you. Enjoy it!

Learn how to earn FREE BEER each day by staking.

17.03.2020 09:27
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View or trade BEER.


Hey @blocktrades, here is a little bit of BEER from @ervin-lemark for you. Enjoy it!

Learn how to earn FREE BEER each day by staking.

16.03.2020 22:54
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Why not FreedomChain or Blockchain Social as a name? Why Hive? Anyone?

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16.03.2020 20:54
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FreedomChain
FREE coin
I like that!
That IS what this is all about!
Right?

17.03.2020 00:33
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Wow! I've so much to say after reading this post.
For now I'm just gonna say...

I'm in!

Looking forward to see the roadmap and all the details.

Hive on!

16.03.2020 20:58
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Your policy looks like the policy of the Russian state. You declare democracy and freedom, but as soon as another person (in this case, Justin) approaches your feeder, you cut off their oxygen and force the people to take your side. I'm glad I sold my pathetic few thousand steem, before this disgrace.

16.03.2020 20:58
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We are not cutting off his oxygen: he bought the blockchain, not the community.

We are letting him have his ball and and his field: it is his problem if no one wants to play.

16.03.2020 22:35
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The white paper doesn't say that steemit inc steak can't be used. This means that you just stole his money, he invested the money, they disabled it. Well now I think steem will die. You can't beat such large investors in such difficult moments.

You have only those who do not want to lose previously purchased steem, you do not have those who will support the course afloat. The community is nothing when there is no money. For what is the point of a token that can't hold its course? But I'm most offended that you killed such a good project.

17.03.2020 05:16
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He has his stake. It is in his possession.

I do hope steem will die: hive is not steem. We are not ruining steem, we are moving our community.

You got this situation twisted.

17.03.2020 13:23
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Thank you for the hope, the clarity and the commitment. Small fry here, though100% onboard. People misjudged us. They thought we were all about crypto and the reward pool. This is about people It's about connections, a community. So happy to be part of it.

16.03.2020 21:00
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Thanks for this well-written post and working hard behind the scenes to make sure Steemians (I WILL miss that name for 'us') will have a place to keep doing what we do: be an amazing community.

I appreciate it <3

Also: starts packing boxes, preparing for the move.

16.03.2020 21:04
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now we can be SteemBees! :D

16.03.2020 22:13
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Our company and I are going to throw our developing resources/services to the new chain as well, and like @petertag , we would love to join the growing pool of developers you have amassed so far.

16.03.2020 21:05
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Fuck yeah i'm 1000000% with you guys!! Exchanges will come that's not a problem, the problem is that we have to change some things on our witness vote system in order to prevent another rich son of bitch with malicious intent!!
Increase the number of the top 20 witness and reduce the 30 votes per account. We absolutely cannot have the ability to vote a number of witness greater than the top 20.
30 > 20 that's the problem!!

16.03.2020 21:07
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Amazing News @blocktrades... No time like the present than to create a New Beautiful World of Amazing, Supportive, Content Creators, Brothers & Sisters with the most Powerful Communities and DApps on any blockchain today in the world. I am 200% onboard and am ready to migrate at any time... We are One... We are One Tribe... We are One People... We are One Spirit...

16.03.2020 21:08
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Sign me up too!

16.03.2020 21:08
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I support this move, but I don't think it's without danger.

Justin won't like this, and with him all people that are fundamentally against freezing funds in a blockchain. Forking funds out is a very harsh statement, much harsher than soft-fork 22.2 was. I expect resistance from a not insignificant part of the community, including from several (former) community consensus witnesses.

Please make sure we're all on the same page before executing this idea...

16.03.2020 21:09
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We are removing a bad actor in the community. We are not taking away his ball..
We are playing the game without him, with our ball, and our field.

16.03.2020 22:32
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Nobody is being “forked out.” Justin will still have his STEEM. We are simply creating a second chain with a new ID and new name, and then migrating to that new fork of the Steem blockchain.

Justin can then do whatever he wants with his worthless tokens. It won’t be our problem anymore.

16.03.2020 22:42
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We're not forking out his funds, Steem chain will still run and he'll have is Steem (but it probably won't be worth much). We're starting a second chain, Hive, with an airdrop on Steemians. And we're not dropping on the Steemit stake.

Most of the community consensus witnesses have already given their blessing and support for the idea, I suspect there will be less than a handful of the top 50 that oppose it (counting 50 down while ignoring the sockpuppets).

16.03.2020 23:25
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I got a question, if the new blokchain is hive, what domain will be used as hive.com and hive.org are taken.

16.03.2020 23:44
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Will be announced later.

17.03.2020 11:05
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Some years ago, the world opened up to hive.anythingyouwant

17.03.2020 13:08
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I’m on board with this if anything I’m just so tired of all the Tron talk and really want a conclusion at this point ! I think it will make a for an amazing stand for decentralization and show mr money bags isn’t everything.

We made mistakes, we learn and once the ninja mine is gone we can finally start fresh

16.03.2020 21:09
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Yep, I'm in. Announced a couple days about that _house Publishing is backing completely away from Steem regardless. We'll rebrand. It's good to know we won't have to ditch the blockchain component of our business model.

16.03.2020 21:11
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Your last point touches a salient point that I've been trying to tell people while battling Justin Sun. We need to know when to be aggressive and when to be subtle, instead of always being so combative all the time.

I think the war against sun should be overt but there should be some nuanced invitation for people to see the positives of this community, rather than attacking everyone that sides with Sun. Let's not forget that this is a guy that has manipulated social media and has over 2m followers on Twitter, making him a very popular figure in crypto world. We need to be subtle in our dealings with others that may not know the truth because all they see is Sun, and we need to reach out, rather than abuse.

16.03.2020 21:12
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I am with you completely, @blocktrades. Getting on a major exchange is the only part that worries me - especially since several of the big ones have been colluded with Justin.

I also just read the post by @mindtrap (https://steempeak.com/hive-148441/@mindtrap/you-still-think-justin-is-a-man-of-his-word-and-wants-to-negotiate-with-our-witnesses-and-the-community-wrong) showing that Binance is still working with Justin by transferring coins directly to one of his accounts as it powers down, and keeping withdrawals disabled on the exchange.

So being that Binance would likely not list our new coin, the main thing I am concerned about is our ability to get on an exchange with reasonable volume. It's already become increasingly difficult to trade Steem here in the US as it is. (And cypto in general since all the major exchanges are blocking us one at a time)

16.03.2020 21:15
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Love this! Really can't wait to see the outcome of this big change.

16.03.2020 21:20
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

26.03.2020 16:53
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While forking seems inevitable at this point, it’s a massive decision.

I just hope we know what we’re doing...

16.03.2020 21:30
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The SteemSTEM community will follow this, and be rebranded of course ^^

[upvoted for visibility]

16.03.2020 21:30
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Of course we will....

17.03.2020 02:43
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new name hive-lem

hehe

18.03.2020 11:45
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Onboard & support you 100%! @blocktrades💪

16.03.2020 21:34
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This inspires a lot of confidence. I'm on board and willing to assist in any way I can. I sincerely hope we can usher in a new era for all the amazing people in our community. Thank you for your commitment. Cheers!

16.03.2020 21:40
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I'm 100 % behind this as well. Getting tid of STINC and Justin Sun seem to be the best path forward. I'm very excited to learn more about this new chain!

16.03.2020 21:41
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Here's to a bright future! 💪

16.03.2020 21:42
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This is GREAT news!
Thank-you to everyone involved in forging this new way forward.
I have known for a while that Justin Sun can't be negotiated with. He has not given us a single reason to believe that he is a man of his word or a reasonable person in any way.

It is refreshing to have something positive to look forward to.

16.03.2020 21:45
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

26.03.2020 16:53
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Excellent. I will follow you!

16.03.2020 21:46
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Very exciting, well written and motivating article.

I’m packed and can’t wait to move.

16.03.2020 21:46
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i got my coins from binance :) ready for airdrop :)

16.03.2020 21:48
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

27.03.2020 17:18
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Finally! You have no idea how long we waited for this kind of news. I already started losing my motivation in posting anything on steem with the ongoing endless-seeming fight. I'd be glad to help with my > 10 yrs of C# Back-End Dev knowledge if needed. You can count me in!

And thanks for the initiative, we all feel relieved!

16.03.2020 21:53
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YOU

ARE

INSANE

16.03.2020 21:56
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How so?

17.03.2020 08:56
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This always reminds me of you

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17.03.2020 13:06
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And this reminds me on all of you

Tell me, after your lovely project was supported by hundreds of thousands of Dollars - what have you created?

Money? A community that can fit in more than one room?

You people are - a joke

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17.03.2020 16:25
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LOL, you're right. hilarious stuff. Anywho, enjoy your authoritarian regime change!

17.03.2020 16:29
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I remember when Ned first announced all of this and called us Steemitans, and I pointed out we are Steemians.. It seemed weird, but I made this statement about us and I think it is more true now more than ever!

The name can change, but the relationships we have built here as Steemians is very unique, and not something you'll find on most if any social networks. We share NEW creative content, great ideas, and give no attention to negativity. We are not a blockchain, we are not a website, we are a group of thriving crypto enthusiasts that looked for more and found each other.

16.03.2020 22:00
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Hi @blocktrades I'm translating your article (split in 2 parts) into Spanish, so that the Spanish STEEM community gets the word ASAP.

Here the first part:

Por que yo no pactare con Justin Sun (1 de 2)

16.03.2020 22:05
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Last part:

Por que yo no pactare con Justin Sun (2 de 2) - @blocktrades

PS: I know it sounds bad, but if some powers that be could donate some strong upvote to above article for wider visibility, it would be cool as it will reach the Spanish Steem community. Anyways STEEM value will rekt, so...

16.03.2020 23:18
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I am very pleased to see this. There were hints and rumours of course but nothing concrete that sounded as if steps were being taken. I will be very happy to post on the new chain.

Please don't let it be too long a coming :O)

16.03.2020 22:15
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Just want to add my voice to the crowd and say yes. I'm all in for this and I'll 100% be migrating to the new chain. Can't wait to hear more news.

16.03.2020 22:17
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these are crazy times. Crazy-exciting times! And reading through the replies just now was a joy, seeing all of the community so happy to grab this hopeful post with both hands and offer whatever they can to help steer the new ship! Who knows whether success awaits or not, but to see this group of Steemies with the starlight in their eyes again is a beautiful thing!

16.03.2020 22:17
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I'm really excited about the potential here for the value this community created to finally be represented without the dark cloud of the pre-mine and failed Steemit, Inc leadership hanging over us.

Another cool thing, from a marketing perspective, is we will be a literal demonstration of how a community is what gives a coin value.

YES! I just posted last night about how the value is always with the community. This could be a huge win not just for our community but for decentralized communities everywhere. Power (and value) to the people. :)

16.03.2020 22:27
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Rather than echo what so many have already said, I'll keep it short & sweet.

THANK YOU!

And...

omg yes  count me in.gif

16.03.2020 22:29
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IMO, this is the best and most motivating post in last few months here.

I fon't have a lot of knowledge about blockchain and exhanges so I was woried about listing the new token. But reading this post makes me wanna move ASAP.

Thanks to you and to anyone who is willing to help our community. This just lighted the fire inside of me a bit :) thanks

16.03.2020 22:31
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How about those exchanges currently listing steem, do they also get the airdrops? @blocktrades

16.03.2020 22:34
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Answered in other replies in the thread.

17.03.2020 11:05
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will it be named "SAFU" ?

16.03.2020 22:34
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Ok, awesome, when I can create an account. ;)

16.03.2020 22:35
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You already have one. All regular Steem accounts will exist on the new chain.

17.03.2020 11:05
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Cool!

18.03.2020 08:55
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That sounds good! Being active is much better than waiting what will come ...

16.03.2020 22:35
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I can't barely understand anything about this @blocktrades but I like the sound of it.

Few things I know for sure are... I think...

  • Justin said that he owns Steemit but he absolutely do not own the blockchain and the community.
  • I don't like the way he write and use his word. I'm not sure if he's joking calling someone a pet. Introducing a human as an animal. I only read once and I read no more. The only thing I'm sure is, whatever he is doing he did it to get his wallet filled amd he didn't seem to care about anything else. It shown in his writing.
  • If @tarazkp, @themarkymark, @wakeupkitty and you said it is alright. I'm going with you guys. I'm clueless if it's about blockchain but not as clueless as before I know this community though 😅
  • I would also like to hear what @bitrocker2020, @davidke20, @myach, @team-ccc, @teammalaysia, @esteemapp opinion on this.

I'll catch up. Just leave us the small account bread crumbs or red ribbon to follow the path so we won't get lost.

The only way I know to trade is through blocktrades and remitano. I don't know any other way yet. So I hope I won't be far behind.

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16.03.2020 22:36
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Hope the followers will be transferred as well :)

16.03.2020 22:36
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Also not sure about funds on exchanges .... That may be a hiding place for STINC

16.03.2020 23:02
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That will all be retained on the new chain.

17.03.2020 11:06
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I’m in of course @blocktrades!!
Long life to our Steem(which ever the new name will be) community!!
🤗🤗

16.03.2020 22:54
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Excellent news @blocktrades !!
I'm all in for us forking out Steemit and JS , hopefully this new Steem has the safeguards needed to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.
IE. No exchange custodial funds used for voting, drop the amount of witness votes per account to 25% of total etc.
=)

16.03.2020 22:56
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Can someone who understands the implementation details better than little ol' me explain how a new coin and a swap thingie would be different/better than simply hard-forking the chain as is with new witnesses?

Legit, I just don't understand the technical difference. Please enlighten me.

16.03.2020 22:57
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It is mostly a matter of a new name and new Chain ID which is a low level sequence of numbers which is what allows nodes to know if they are communicating with other nodes on the same chain. Steem has one Chain ID and the new chain will have a different one.

The existing chain will continue unaffected.

17.03.2020 11:07
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So in practice, it is just taking the existing code, changing the chain ID marker, and spinning up a bunch of witnesses? That's easier than forking the existing chain?

17.03.2020 23:49
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It is both that and forking the existing chain. There are multiple ways to fork a chain, this being one of them.

18.03.2020 04:28
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I'm on board

16.03.2020 22:59
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What will happen to steem-engine tokens after this transition?

16.03.2020 23:07
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same question

17.03.2020 03:38
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Since steem-engine is a semi-centralized system it will be up to the operator of steem-engine to decide what they want to do. It is technically possible to support existing steem-engine holdings on the new chain if they want to do that.

17.03.2020 11:08
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I remember when one of the very first upvotes I ever got on steemit was by @blocktrades. Its was a little joke and it was my first post to receive a reply as well.
Back then, I didn't know much about blockchains but it is THAT vote that got me all excited and involved into it and the community. I didn't know how much you were involved into steemit, but your surely caught my loyalty. I will follow your lead to any new platform and I will gladly assist in anyway I can. Either way, thanks again!

16.03.2020 23:14
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lol, I will become a beekeeper, earlier than planned))

But, now that you have opened the cards, perhaps you need to pause and hear your opponent, perhaps after weighing the situation, he will collect all his shit and leave, realizing that he will lose, anyway .... it seems to me that, such a victory option is no less bautiful.

What will happen to our investments on the steem engine? Will the steem engine also switch to a new coin?.

16.03.2020 23:17
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This is THE BEST post I've had the pleasure to read this year! I've not got into the whole political debate re: Steemit Inc and JS but I am a lover of all things Steem and want to see us push forward and reclaim our social space we all love.
Thanks for your huge support Blocktrades, it's well needed at a time like these.
Stay safe and thanks for supporting my music 🎼🙏
DC

16.03.2020 23:18
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Thank you for the update. I fully support these developments even though my stake is small, and I am sure many many others will say the same.

16.03.2020 23:20
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16.03.2020 23:22
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This is awesome and im all for the new platform! Do we need to powerdown/up to recieve the coins? I'm not familiar with how airdrops work..

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16.03.2020 23:25
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No need to power up.

17.03.2020 00:45
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Are you a part of building this project too?

17.03.2020 09:09
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@blocktrades While I have no experience programming the blockchain itself, I have experience programming for for blockchain, in particular, the Steem blockchain. I will gladly provide my extensive front-end development knowledge and experience towards a new chain. Helping create new front-ends, tools (wizards, dApps, etc) and anywhere else my CSS, HTML and Javascript experience can help.

I am excited at the prospect of a new chain, one that is stagnant and beholden to corporate for-profit interests who would rather see it's community slowly suffocate and die than work alongside it and move forward.

I wonder if this is finally the straw that breaks the camels back? Maybe now Justin realises how serious this situation is and might come to his senses.

16.03.2020 23:38
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Afterall I will just stay as a casual blogger, please save our blogging experience and let us keep earning from making blogposts. This shit is addictive and I'd rather not lose what we have right now.

I hope these plans will keep a casual user experience we have right now (and obviously improve it to where we could start aquiring people from all over the internet)

16.03.2020 23:51
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I am with you with all my heart...
Maybe it will provide a nice return for everyone who used to exist...
I hope we not only hang out here and see beautiful happy days again...

16.03.2020 23:56
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Comment will get lost in the mass but looking forward to moving away from JS and the blemish the ninja stake has had.

17.03.2020 00:00
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17.03.2020 00:03
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About time! I'm all in. Bags are packed and ready to move!

17.03.2020 00:06
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I, and @TribeSteemUp will most certainly be coming along to the new, community-based chain, leaving behind the carcass that @JustinSunSteemit has been tearing apart over the last month.

I'm pretty sure that I can bring back a LOT of my friends who joined Steem, then left, between the removal of our biggest blemish (the ninja-mine and its centralization) combined with all of the great updates we've had in the last couple years (especially having @steempeak as a front-end now.)

Thanks for providing this clear update @blocktrades. Looking forward to building a new version of our ecosystem with y'all!

17.03.2020 00:08
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in it to win it, is there any promotion on 90 day delegations atm?

17.03.2020 00:09
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Are Steem / Hive transactions susceptible to replay (or do transactions encode some chain-specific information)?

If so, I'm assuming replay protection will be added to the fork? I could imagine some situations where users would want to broadcast to both chains (i.e. cross-posting), but wouldn't want to see accidental sending of both tokens.

17.03.2020 00:19
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I support the newchain "HIVE" 100%. Exciting times ahead, boys and girls! Fasten your seatbelts!
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17.03.2020 00:21
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¿Daniel en el foso de los leones?

17.03.2020 01:50
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I bet the tokens name will be HONEY (HON)! That's what hives hide, HONEY

17.03.2020 08:44
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Who will throw away what he bought?
On which exchange will hive enter?

17.03.2020 00:24
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How can a person who just started in this community get involved and do their part to promote the project?

I believe the potential for blockchain technology in every aspect of our lives is the opportunity for a watershed moment in society that will exponentially increase individual freedom and transform interaction.

The movement here, the community, is coming through the birth pangs of something so promising and crucial to all of us who love liberty, and those who have had that spirit taken from them. The goal of truly owning one's individual value has always been the struggle. It is always worth the price.

I feel very blessed and fortunate to have found myself here at this moment and I am all in.

If anyone can give me a point in the right direction as to how I get involved in this event and promote it, Please let me know!
I'm trying to get up to speed.
Thanks
Peace

17.03.2020 00:26
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I'd say the normal routes of promotion is likely the most effective: spread on twitter, reddit, hassle relevant journalists and other names out there etc. just get the word out =) maybe wait until the official announcement gives more deets though tomorrow

17.03.2020 12:31
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Das hört sich erst mal sehr gut an. Ich habe soviele Fragen! Ich liebe diese dezentrale Blockchain und Du hast uns aufgezeigt was möglich ist um diesen Mr. Sun in den Arsch zu treten. Nichtsdestotrotz müssen wir realistisch bleiben und sehen was öglich ist. Wer bezahlt die Speicherung der Bilder. Wer bezahlt die API Notes. Wer bezahlt die fähigen Entwickler, was ich nicht in Frage stellen möchte das sie da sind. Es werden aber eine Menge Man Power Hours zu bezahlen sein. Ich hoffe das Ihr das überblickt und wenn ich den Bericht so lese ... steht es ja schon fest, das es zu einem HarfFork komt. (Den ichAC auchad map?

Best Regweit sinel

? Best Regards Michael

17.03.2020 00:26
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We've been spending weeks working on the answers to those questions. It's part of the reason we've had to keep quiet for so long, we had a lot of organizing to do among various groups here in the Steem community, and a lot of coding to do, to bring down the costs of operating the servers.

Tomorrow there will be a formal announcement with details on the airdrop. In the days after that, we'll begin working together on what we want to do next. Many people, many ideas.

17.03.2020 00:51
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How can we find out what we need to do to be involved?

17.03.2020 01:11
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There will be a post tomorrow with more details on how the process will take place.

17.03.2020 02:41
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Thank you very much

17.03.2020 04:39
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Couldn't see it going any other way once the takeover happened. Just glad its finally moving forward.

17.03.2020 00:26
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Just'in time.
Let's do it.
I promise I will write again on Hive.
The value of a network is the community.
Long live Decentralism

17.03.2020 00:30
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I don’t think this is that easy that are you talking about in my view at least half of community still doesn’t know what’s happening on steem who’s the owner they doesn’t give the dam fuck they just want there’s post and there earning.
The new chain you are talking Ian fine I am ok with that, there is four years of development on steem exchange listing and because of Justin be have to start form zero.
After that how many of us will join that new platform what if not everyone go there if full community not transfered then it will more difficult to survive on new chain if we fail on new chain then we will lost old on and new one

Pls consider all things

17.03.2020 00:37
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Decentralisation is the most important principle to me, freedom isn't free, this community is about more than the sum of its parts, its the ideal that is paramount. The spirit, promise, and potential of this movement and the technology it is based in has far reaching possibilities, and the opportunity for all of society is historic and means so much more than temporary relative financial gains. We must do all we can to ensure that we do not let trivial concerns keep us from the task at hand. If we spend our time and efforts selfishly, we will surely allow the enemy to capture the moment and we will find ourselves slaves to the one thing that could have truly freed us.

17.03.2020 01:25
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Anyone thirsty for a !BEER ? Since it is so crowded here, I'll start giving away BEER in this comment section now! @detlev I might need a hand soon.

17.03.2020 00:39
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Hi @manniman, you have a limited amount of FREE-OF-CHARGE BEER to give each day by using the @BeerLover. This depends on the amount of BEER you staked.

Soon, you might be able to spend YOUR-OWN BEER by using the new @BEERbank for this. Means BEER will be a non-downvotable donation for a post you enjoy.

JustForInformation

17.03.2020 07:36
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View or trade BEER.


Hey @blocktrades, here is a little bit of BEER from @manniman for you. Enjoy it!

Learn how to earn FREE BEER each day by staking.

17.03.2020 00:39
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Yes! This is exaclty what I've been waiting to see. On to new and better things!

Looking forward to see the technical details of how we transition to the new chain. How will we be able to claim our account, or will our keys be transferred?

What protections against similar take-over scenariosn will be in place?

Which front-ends will be moving over to the new chain, or will they stay on Steem and have a second front-end for the new chain?

Lots to think about, but a very exciting step in the right direction.

17.03.2020 00:40
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Existing keys will work.

Other information will be come clear shortly.

17.03.2020 11:09
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Thank you for recognizing the value of artists, creators, and other such individuals in this post. The content and community is what makes this chain (whether by this name, or anything else) - what it is.

17.03.2020 00:43
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I hope that they send in a publication the new page and its name

17.03.2020 00:50
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I hope that they send
In a publication the
New page and its name

                 - tcpaikano


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17.03.2020 00:50
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what da hell :D

17.03.2020 01:22
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!BEER

17.03.2020 01:23
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17.03.2020 01:23
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I never thought I would see the day Steemit Inc's stake would be fork off but I sure hoped for it a long time ago.

Most bullish thing that happened since we got off linear rewards.

17.03.2020 00:50
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Nice, think so too !BEER

17.03.2020 01:22
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17.03.2020 01:22
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You just don't like that linear rewards xD you always mention them haha

17.03.2020 04:21
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They were fundamentally flawed. Not a dislike.

The other Steem flaw was Steemit's stake.

I might be back posting on the new chain.

17.03.2020 11:58
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I HATE YOUUUUUUUUUUU !!!

17.03.2020 00:52
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This was inevitable, I think.
100 % behind the move!

17.03.2020 00:53
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Please don't call the new coin HIVE or HIV as rumored. I can ssee it now, "Give me the Hives" or "give me HIV"

17.03.2020 01:05
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I (incl. @photofeed) will 100% support this change.

@Blocktrades - Are there any plans of crowdfunding this project? I'd definitely support it with what's possible.

17.03.2020 01:05
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Regular minnow here.... 2 years on steem. Support this 100% and think the name is inspired. Kudos to you & th dev leadership team.

Happy to mobilize & help at ground level when it's time.

17.03.2020 01:07
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Just a tiny fish in this big ocean, but totally in favor of this! In the couple of years I've blogged here, Steemit Inc seems to mostly have made promises and then failed to deliver. I'm sure some of the people working there are decent human beings, but it says a lot to me that half the staff quit when they saw the reality of the new management.

=^..^=

17.03.2020 01:24
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Creo que es una excelente noticia, siempre y cuando los más pequeños (es allí donde me encuentro y hago mi mayor esfuerzo para crecer) también participemos. Generalmente, la información parece llegarnos después (Y hablo de la comunidad hispana) de manera que, estar infomados de primera mano, sería estupendo para dar los pasos necesarios en beneficios de todos. Mientras nos indican el camino a seguir, vamos aprendiendo sobre la marcha. De esta forma, a los nuevos usuarios que ingresen a la plataforma, se les puede formar de forma correcta y no solo darles información.

I think it is excellent news, as long as the little ones (that's where I meet and do my best to grow) also participate. Generally, the information seems to come later (And I'm talking about the Hispanic community) so that, being informed first hand, it would be great to take the necessary steps to benefit everyone. While they show us the way forward, we are learning on the go. In this way, new users who enter the platform can be trained correctly and not just give them information.

17.03.2020 01:27
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I have always participated here because you all have always made me feel like part of the community, even though I am just a simple writer of posts.

Where my community goes, I shall go also. Thanks @blocktrades for all that you have done and are going to do, the idea is worth the effort.

17.03.2020 01:33
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

26.03.2020 17:14
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Great move! I fully support it!

I understand the airdrop and the cut over to the new chain, but will delegations be replicated as they stand, or should we de-delegate and re-establish them when the dust settles? I’m totally stoked about the possibilities emerging...

17.03.2020 01:46
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That's the great thing about blockchain – you can always hard fork away from the scammers. Great job, thanks for your contributions!

17.03.2020 01:50
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@blocktrades, will your exchange still support Steem > BTC/ETH/etc conversions once the new blockchain has gone live?

17.03.2020 01:56
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''At this point, it seems like most of the community is in agreement on on thing: they don’t want Justin Sun here''

It only looks like that because you guys have been suppressing everyone who disagrees for at least three and half years now

17.03.2020 02:05
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...

17.03.2020 02:11
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Excellent! I Really ought to start developing on the blockchain then especially since it’s getting rid of steeminc. Any advice for where budding developers to group? :)

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17.03.2020 02:26
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Interesting news for sure. Just a few things I'd like to see:

  1. Transparency - try to keep off secret slacks and let's get everything we do on-chain.
  2. What are the plans for onboarding and marketing? I can see where we get bogged down again about developing leaving behind marketing.
  3. NOW I have to change my name xD HiveQA here I come :)
17.03.2020 02:38
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I agree, transparency is key, whats the saying ? Truth dies in the dark ?

17.03.2020 05:00
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Lets get this show started!! I hope it is released soon. I am excited again.

17.03.2020 02:44
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count me in but what about my favourite dapps ? they are coming ? such as dtube, splinterlands, steemhunt, 3speak, steem-engine, actifit, steempeak ......

17.03.2020 02:47
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Thank you for your stand on this. You're speaking for a lot of us who are smaller fish in a big pond. The show will go on somehow!

17.03.2020 02:52
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Amazing news, I'm in for sure.

17.03.2020 02:58
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You have my support

17.03.2020 03:01
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Finally something to be excited about around here, I just heard about this in the poker game and couldn't wait to get out just to see what the GUZBUCK is going on.
A tip of the hat to you folks who are setting up this FORK.

17.03.2020 03:10
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What happens if Justin buys a majority stake of the new coin through the markets?

17.03.2020 03:23
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Look forward to it.

17.03.2020 03:33
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This is good.

17.03.2020 03:43
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Whoever voted for the sockpuppets shouldnt be getting any airdrops either.

17.03.2020 03:45
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I am ALL IN with you on this. I’ll be one of the first ones to leave. Justin is gonna learn one hell of a lesson on this one and he deserves it. Say when and I’ll do anything I can to help move others. Game on.

17.03.2020 03:55
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I will be investing my money on HIVE from now on. Upvoted!

17.03.2020 04:00
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Well...good luck.

I believe the key to success will be the community, and giving it the tools it needs to help with development. That was a major mistake of Steemit. They were running something that was supposed to be open source and decentralized in a very centralized manner, and we've all come to learn the folly of that.

Many of us knew how big of a mistake that was, but we didn't necessarily know what was going to happen.

Might I suggest anyone involved try to push for better ease of use. At least to start. That was a key issue with Steem as well.

New users need to be able to start an account easy enough, and do account recovery if they don't exactly know how blockchains work. That means making some kind of account recovery software that's easy enough for people to run.

That might be a nightmare, security wise, but it's something that needs to be done.

Little things to make it easier to use like a copyright-free image search will also go a long way.

Once again, good luck.

17.03.2020 04:01
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Speaking as a rank minnow, this has to be one of the best analyses of the current impasse. Better still is the course of action. Clear. Constructive.

I can't believe I am actually going to say:

I look forward to the changes. New beginnings.

On the name: "hive" and hivemind: I am already part of network that uses those names. I appreciate it's challenging to find a unique name so the branding will need to be spot on.

Best wishes with this.

See everyone on the other side.

17.03.2020 04:06
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Yes, HardFork is always the Answer in BlockChain world.

17.03.2020 04:14
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The biggest thing i see missing here is the image server.

The images aren't on the STEEM blockchain.

I remember way back when we were hosting photos on other photo hosting sites. And a couple people launched image hosting servers.

And now its all in steemit.

All those image locations in the steem blockchain point to something that could disappear at any moment.

17.03.2020 04:16
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A very good question with a very easy answer. For future posts, just host your pictures on a free place like tumbler.com, google drive etc. and then type the link to the image in your posts. Sadly, the images from past posts may be lost. No one said this proposed forking of the chain would be easy.

We must do what we can to help those fronting the finaces and technical expertise to put forward a solution to the current SNAFU.
SSure, it is not as easy as just uploading your images to SteemIt.com, but those pictures are kept on an AWS server anyway at great cost. We must all do our part even if it may be a little inconvenient.

Ask not what the blockchain can do for you, ask what you can do for the blockchain!

17.03.2020 05:04
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What a brilliant and very inspiring idea for progress... Thank for sharing... Success is your @blocktrades

17.03.2020 04:28
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Inspired and exceptionally proud to be a member of this community.

17.03.2020 04:34
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i will migrate to new steem chain, my pray and good wish are with my community, one day we all will be winner, we are fighting for great community,, our fight is not for money iam ready to give my all steem to my community benefit, @blocktrades

17.03.2020 04:35
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I'm 100% in support of this, let me know if there is anything I can do (background in development and IT, currently a photographer with a good set of marketing skills and a somewhat decent social media following).

17.03.2020 04:45
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Thanks very much for explaining your ideas for the future. The more I read, the more I understand what I don't want to be a part of. I look forward to the future.

17.03.2020 04:47
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Hi @blocktrades can I ask will tribe tokens be able to migrate to the new chain?

17.03.2020 04:48
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That would depend if steem-engine ports, I think for all intents and purposes the plan is to have a mirror of what we have now.

17.03.2020 08:58
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i am a new user here, interesting to see whats going on. Would be nice to have a fresh start and understanding of what has happened. Is justin any where to portray his part of the story ?

17.03.2020 05:02
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also am a jr dev and would love to learn and help churn out code if possible @blocktrades

17.03.2020 05:05
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oh yeah pretty far down and a floating home button would be clutch on the side

17.03.2020 05:06
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Standing ovation.

17.03.2020 05:33
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My first question is how is the trust going to be gained back since the last hard fork? I feel that those of us of on the bottom get screwed as our vote value was cut in half and we, as producers, made less for our work when we were already barely making pennies.pennies. This last hard fork killed the communities I was writing with.

17.03.2020 05:36
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I am dissapointed that the negotiations have failed, which is the case for sure once a fork is done. Steem already died a slow death before Justin Sun. A new beginning does bring new chances, but there are just no gurantees at all for a success in the future.

Development, investors, exchanges will be important for the new blockchain. I am a bit worry that steem could fail in general after a split. It might could be that Justin Sun won't go anywhere and the old community with the new blockchain get thit by the same fate after the fork.

Risky times for content creators and inventors lies ahead.

17.03.2020 06:03
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Here I thought I was waiting on you guys, and now I find you weren't waiting for me.

Cool.

"...we can emerge under the umbrella of a new coin, as a dominant player in decentralized blockchain development."

The devil's in the details. I hope you can get them right.

Thanks!

17.03.2020 06:05
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@blocktrades I hope it is ok to say... BUT I FUCKEN LOVE YOU!! and I FUCKEN LOVE the name HIVE.... OMG .... HIVE COIN...... BOOM MOFO'S SEE YA

JUSTIN SUN... you got ECLIPSED BIG TIME!!

17.03.2020 06:07
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Do you know what will happen to Steem Engine tokens or for now only @aggroed that have any idea?

17.03.2020 06:08
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Almost unacceptable logic, how does someone buy something to destroy it? Look like the Corona outbreak, I hope this bad situation soon passes. Thank co much @blocktrades.

17.03.2020 06:22
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Been a while since I was that excited about anything ;)

17.03.2020 06:29
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

27.03.2020 11:04
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Great news! I think it's the right thing in this deadlock! We have a nice team of developers, a solid group to support the community!

We are the community and we deserve much more than a money sucker!

Exciting news!

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17.03.2020 06:36
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I love this.

Is there a resource for more general chatting ( discord, irc, slack, etc. )? I'd love to be apart of this. I've listed some of the important changes I think we need to consider having on the new platform to prevent future disasters like this one.

Excited for the HIVE ;^)

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17.03.2020 06:37
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@blocktrades, Until the last moment, steemit.com was engaged in free user registration. In the new separated blockchain, will there be a possibility of free registration for users? Recently, my friends have faced the inability to register for free.

17.03.2020 06:40
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I see this as a big win for the community and particularly existing Steem holders

So holding the steem for now is going to help us as well as the community ? The reason I am asking is that I was powering down, after all this started. But then I powered them up to support the witness voting. If the price of steem is going to dump, then will we not also loose there ? I understand the equivalent air drop of the new coin will help, but how retaining the old steem will balance that ? Because we bought them. And based on the read, I think, its not wise to buy more now ?

17.03.2020 06:42
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Once the new blockchain comes to existence, sell steem for new coins. This activity in fact will raise the value of the new coin.

17.03.2020 09:05
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But we will need power down and if Justin starts selling it will be barely valuable 😀

17.03.2020 09:11
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Then start powering down from now onwards and keep those steems liquid in the account. Soon after the launch, you can easily sell them for the new currency. I have been powering down for some time now.

17.03.2020 09:22
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I completely support this effort and will work on migrating Keychain and create other dApps dedicated to the chain!

17.03.2020 06:47
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I am looking very much forward to the chain! I just hope tokens will be swapped over 1 to 1 for all users and not that some developers will set something extra aside like has been done on the current chain (Steem Ninja stake).

17.03.2020 07:17
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If you need any 3d material for the new Branding I would be happy to contribute!

17.03.2020 07:20
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Do you plan to also fork out exchanges' stake that collude with Justin?

17.03.2020 07:21
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@fsm-liquid , at a first glance, that would be stupid since the used stake may belong to Steemians or ordinary investors. It's not their fault that some exchanges powered up these steem and used them to vote. So exchanges simply had to convert it (maybe step by step for each customer who agree) like any other steemian. Maybe, (hey @blocktrades just consider...) it's even a good opportunity to get Hive(?) listed at these exchanges during the 'conversion act'.

18.03.2020 20:26
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@steemchurch is in!

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17.03.2020 07:35
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Hi there

I've been reading through many comments related to new hive chain and I've seen your comment too. Many users are being torn, however majority seem to be moving to new hive.

Are you fully moving there or will you stay on both chains? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out what to do myself.

27.03.2020 11:52
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Beat idea 💡 ever! Fully support it, there is a need for a fork

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17.03.2020 07:52
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How can we ensure that no one can power up that much stake of a new coin in the future?

17.03.2020 08:00
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Sounds like rough times ahead😮 How about COAST COIN? Love the beach🏖️😉👌❤️

17.03.2020 08:31
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Hi @blocktrades,

I think this is a fantastic way forward. I am not sure if you have finalized this with anyone yet, however as this has been my professional field for 19+ yrs I would be more than happy to offer my services (at no cost obviously) for the design of the logo, whatever the final name decision is.

If you would like to chat more you can reply to me here or drop me a DM on discord. @jaynie#0038

Onward and upward :)

17.03.2020 08:46
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When is moving day ?

17.03.2020 08:53
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who do i talk to i want to help

17.03.2020 08:57
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Count me in.. Finally I feel happy to have heard a workable solution for the problem that we face now!

17.03.2020 09:00
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A few questions. Perhaps I missed some details, there is a lot to process here.

If everything will be mirrored into a new platform, and old posts will follow and coins will be given, will we then also keep our reputation, equivalent of SP, Minnows will be MInnows, Dolphins still Dolphins, vests also mirrored?

From what I understand yes but I just want to be sure. We've all built our rep and audience/readers on this platform. Will who we follow and who follows us also be mirrored?

17.03.2020 09:12
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I think we will have the same amount of tokens there as well. About the reputation I don't know. I hope that all will stay as well.

17.03.2020 11:20
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Cool. I'm sure they're working on it. I'm probably not the only one with those concerns.

17.03.2020 23:25
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I like your approach, bring on the fork and forget the Tron fiasco.

17.03.2020 09:20
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I like your approach,
Bring on the fork and forget
The Tron fiasco.

                 - julianhorack


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17.03.2020 09:20
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From both an economic and moral perspective, it makes no sense to compromise with Justin.

I'm in total agreement, at long last some direction to make a move!

17.03.2020 09:35
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Thank you for writing, @blocktrades. Since this whole charade started, I've never seen it as an attack against the community itself (although that's what it seems like on the surface). Rather, I saw it for what it is; A ruthlessly unnecessary power tussle between top witnesses and Steemit Inc, that may have been avoided. However, I understand that if compromises cannot be reached, a decentralized ecosystem allows a group to fork to their own chain - The only real solution staring us in the face for a while now.

I did not support the initial Hardfork where we froze JSun's stake, nor the way the community reacted on Twitter without any serious logic. I have been very vocal about that too. For me, that is where it all started and I believe we could have done better with the way we handled things. I set my proxy vote as @glory7 because I believe they are objective about the issue, not choosing to go with the popular narrative but rather approaching things from a neutral standpoint. This definitely means that I voted some of JSun's cronies for witnesses and I am absolutely fine with my decision.

Moving on, I have a few questions.

  1. Since we're forking and moving over to a new chain, I guess our old contents on here will be gone should a majority of the witnesses on here disable their servers,no?
  2. Also, I understand your decision to exclude Steemit Inc's stake from the new chain. Are we clear on the accounts the developers choose to fork out or restrict? Are they only accounts related to Steemit Inc's Ninjamined stake?
  3. Will the new chain fix the current witness voting algorithm? It's clear that it is broken. Else, we'd be doing the same thing on the new chain.
  4. I've seen a few comments from people calling to fork out accounts that voted Jsun's witnesses. I dismiss that as nonsense but I'd like to know your stand regardless.
    Will you, or the other witnesses here choose to censor any other account that had a contrary opinion to what you have? Stated clearly; Will the team of 36+ decide to fork my account or the Koreans because of disagreeing views?

Thank you as you reply.

17.03.2020 10:22
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I didn't agree with the initial soft fork, mostly because of what I saw being said by some people.

However, I fully support this action. After seeing what has been going on with binance tacitly supporting @justinsunsteemit, it is obviously pretty disgraceful. That's not how anyone should operate in the blockchain space at all.

My project has a good relationship with a top-50 exchange. We will list there soon. I'd be happy to serve as an intermediary (for free) for trying to get NewSteem (Hive?) listed there, hopefully for free.

I'll also keep covering this issue for Blocks99, which also gets translated into Vietnamese. Hopefully, we can all pitch in and do what we can and help the new chain grow more organically and community-wise than this one.

Good luck and best wishes!

17.03.2020 10:33
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Por fin... Lo leí todo, jajajaja.

Finally ... I read it all, lol.

17.03.2020 10:35
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Excellent work

17.03.2020 10:40
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Dear @blocktrades,

Thanks for having the tenacity to pull this all off. I know it might be premature for that sort of sentiment but I am deducing that if you have made it to the point of making this post then the desired outcome is just a matter of 'going through the motions' to achieve the outcome.

It has been quite the roller coaster of a ride the last month and although I had pretty much given up on the 'top' Witnesses at this point because of their willingness to negotiate with someone holding them hostage and their general mismanagement of the effort to thwart the attempted hostile takeover...it is nice that I held out a sliver of hope that someone like you (and those working with you) would step up to the task of preserving our community and showing that my/our trust in you (and all those working on this hard fork) was/is well placed.

Your post here is nice and all but buried in the comments I found something much more important said by you and for making this comment I absolutely commend you:

I consider people's trust one of the most valuable things a person can have, and I try my best to act in a honorable way that will not lose it. Indeed, one of my own ideas for future technology is to build a system that lets people trust each other more, and punishes deception. Too often I see people abuse the trust of others, but trust is also essential in many cases to effective cooperation.

If anyone wants to read the context of that comment you can find it here: https://steempeak.com/steem/@blocktrades/q7bgcv

Cheers & My Sincerest Regards.

17.03.2020 10:51
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The idea is great.
I am in.
But will we be able to sustain our new blockchain during bad times(bear markets)?
Do you have any plans introduce advertising to generate revenue?

17.03.2020 11:27
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This sounds all really great to me. That is, as far as I understand it all :)

One thing though, if it is decided we move on in the no-compromise-way, we should start an active discussion towards a more robust DPOS system that has stronger protection towards what has happened in the past months.

17.03.2020 11:35
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It’s an excellent insight into the future of our blockchain, @blocktrades. May I translate it into Serbian?

17.03.2020 11:47
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Looking forward for the airdrop, do reach us out as soon as the coin gets listed on any of the 400+ exchanges that we track.

17.03.2020 11:52
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I have a special request for a feature that might seem trivial but could give some hedge to Hive over Steem.

When someone is powering down their upcoming Hive of the week shouldn't be eligible to vote.

This would give incentives not to uselessly power down on Hive while on Steem everyone has incentives to power down at all time (just in case) even if they plan on powering back up every time.

17.03.2020 12:11
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Bravo.

See you on the other side.

17.03.2020 12:12
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Nos vemos en HIVE!

17.03.2020 14:17
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Looking forward to new things that come.

17.03.2020 12:12
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This is great news.... as a long time Steem Artist I am here to help. I love Steem and I love @blocktrades .... we don’t need exchanges. Just let us send Steem via Blocktrades to places like Shakepay and Coinbase

17.03.2020 12:25
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@ned->@justinsunsteemit->@freedom

Start from scratch or a 500SP limit for existing accounts with a reputation of 30 or greater (including STINC accounts), otherwise its the same old shit.

17.03.2020 12:30
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Lets see who will move against freedom!

17.03.2020 16:52
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We may as well ask them how they would like things to be coded up front and save everyone the illusion of having a vote on the subject.

17.03.2020 20:11
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Go right ahead. That's the great thing about forks and airdrops. Anyone can do them however they want. I support the vision laid out and carefully explained by @blocktrades (and prepared and built by @blocktrades and others at not insignificant expense of time and money), but if you don't then go do something else.

17.03.2020 21:25
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Go right ahead. That's the great thing about forks and airdrops.

Fair enough. Where the stake goes, then interest will surely follow. Having HODLed through Bitcoin's fireworks show this is not my first rodeo.

OpenSeed, as explained by @andarchy, sounds like it may be able to tie together those splinters and shards of the present STEEM blockchain, as it continues to decentralize.

17.03.2020 22:44
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Thanks for all you do for this community, @blocktrades. We are indeed a community, and there is so much power in that! But it also takes vital leadership to keep guiding and supporting the community. I don't see that as a failing of decentralization, but I do think it is sometimes overlooked. Our strength in numbers, passion and commitment is enormous. But those of you with strong leadership skills who fully understand what is at stake here and are willing to invest your time and energy, your own investments, and your ability to clearly communicate ideas and corrective measures out to the greater community are doing us all a huge service, and we could not carry on otherwise. Thank you!!

17.03.2020 12:32
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Iam totally with you on this new chain. Let's go for it

17.03.2020 12:38
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I'm in! I was actually tired of the stalemate and the silence. I was actually waiting for a post like this because it seems to be the only way forward.

Sidenote: Cheers to the Dans in this blockchain and the next!

17.03.2020 12:47
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While I was hoping a fork wouldn't be necessary, you make some good arguments for it. Unfortunately a lot of users are still on SteemIt.com and may unknowingly continue using the Justin-controlled chain.

On another note, I hope this fork will be done in the most democratic way possible. In my mind, we should be voting on it, like what would happen on Tezos or Telos. During the transition I'd also like to see some other changes, like vote decay for witnesses and voting for these types of protocol upgrades.

17.03.2020 12:58
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I was so impressed that I translated a part and posted it to the Japanese community.Thank you.
https://goldvoice.club/steem/@yasu/blocktrades-jayplayco-google

17.03.2020 13:04
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(hope some smart whale understands the importance of spreading the message in other languages ASAP)

17.03.2020 19:39
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Thank you for supporting Steem community.

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17.03.2020 13:08
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Now you're talking! Should have hard forked instead of soft forked and avoided this whole mess. Now, what's to stop Justin and his cronies from bullying his way into this new blockchain? They won't have steemit stake, but could still overpower the network if current DPOS config. What DPOS improvements?

17.03.2020 13:09
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Already got a first post ready and waiting. I hope it's not too long though, at risk of it becoming obsolete.

Naturally, SteemSTEM (renamed) will be coming along for the ride!

17.03.2020 13:10
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We would like to have everything be transparent. Who are the leading users here, everything in the open.
We would like to remove the old code completely. This is the only opportunity to move to a newsteem with a new vision

17.03.2020 13:26
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Will Justin Sun be accepted to the Hive @blocktrades?

What if he wants to get in? And do the same thing again?

17.03.2020 13:47
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We got a plan for that, not that I see it as a likely scenario. More details to come soon.

17.03.2020 21:08
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Absolutely great idea. We're with you. We'll throw all sock puppets to gutter.

17.03.2020 14:48
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Welp! Let’s get it!

17.03.2020 15:18
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17.03.2020 15:49
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The pathetic sunset of Steemit and the experiences and pain that the steemians have gone through all over the years will definitely ensure a brighter sun rise in time to come. I am super excited to witness that new chain @blocktrades, that will be our real home. The current home feels like a rented home with a lot of uncertainly and no real value and the person called Ned sold that home to some one called Sun. We want to built our own home which is truly ours. SO @blocktrades bring it on....no matter how many will move....

17.03.2020 16:26
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Im with you and waiting!

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17.03.2020 16:31
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Oh what a mess this new blockchain will be. lol

17.03.2020 16:34
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first: I don't know much about the dev stuff and steem inc

but

Wait, what about the IP and developers?

When Justin acquired it, Steemit absolutely had some strong value, in the form of intellectual property, branding, and experienced blockchain and frontend developers. But now, all the developers he acquired are gone (they’ve all quit).

This tells me that Ned at least should have communicated with the devs,
And that Justin should have done the same BEFORE making any deal.

When you buy something like a plane with a nav system, engines, seats etc. you want to be sure that the stuff that keeps the plane airborne does not vanish overnight...

17.03.2020 17:04
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17.03.2020 17:06
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I'm with you! 🙏

!trdo

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17.03.2020 18:23
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“LibreSteem” just crossed my mind. Just like LibreOffice.

LibreOffice

17.03.2020 18:34
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So, from a purely functional perspective, the ideal front-end would maintain connections to both chains, track the various token prices (STEEM, HIVE, SMTs, and Steem-Engine, etc...), and let the user choose their preferred chain or even switch between them dynamically by automatically posting content on the chain with the highest estimated return.

Now that's decentralization.

17.03.2020 19:32
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Thank you for the good information. I support the Steem community and will continue to do so regardless of if it stays as it or becomes a new coin.

17.03.2020 20:08
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I support this 100%

17.03.2020 20:50
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I am impressed by this post, what it implies, and actually in awe of the power of the community.

As I mentioned in other places, it is this community strength which pushed buttons on me and made me a more active STEEM contributor.

Good Community is viral. I am 100 percent with you!

17.03.2020 21:54
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Before long, we will launch a new coin that is essentially a re-branded hardfork of Steem, airdropped on all Steemians, without airdropping to the Steemit stake

Perfect!

Lets fucking do that

17.03.2020 21:58
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I'm in 100% and my contribution will be on local community building.

17.03.2020 22:20
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This is a great news, I'll be eager to migrate in this @blocktrades. I appreciate your hard work, thank you so much for this.

17.03.2020 23:51
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